ATL - Oladipo is Really Good (and Bledsoe dominant again)

blazza18 · Post #81 » by **blazza18** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:55 pm

paulpressey25 wrote: He was getting a bit emo a few weeks back about the Warriors trying to trade for Dwight over the summer.

Oh please.

step3profit · Post #82 » by **step3profit** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:39 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:This. Was not/am not a Marshall fan. I thought he'd stick around four at least four years, though.

Ms. Larry Drew saw the skill level of Kendall Marshall a mile away, especially since he has fat genes inherited from his parents. We should probably get her on the payroll to help with next year's draft.

HurricaneKid · Post #83 » by **HurricaneKid** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:07 pm

Ayt wrote: I can understand Washington wanting to avoid an Eric Gordon type situation where a guy visits some other places and has various max offers and decides he really wants out. Yes, they can still match, but building around a disgruntled star isn't generally a good idea.I also think it is obvious that Wall would have gotten multiple max offers. Since I think he was an obvious max contract guy as a FA, I can understand why they decided to take care of him when they had the chance this past summer before he got big eyes from being wined and dined by extremely high profile teams like the Lakers.Wall had a gigantic impact last year after he came back from his injury. The Wizards had the worst record in the league at 5-28 before Wall returned from injury. They were on pace for 12 wins at that point. 33 games is not a tiny sample. They were historically awful. The fewest amount of wins in an NBA season is 15. After Wall returned, they went 24-25. - See more at: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1276970&start=300#sthash.HD5El65u.dpuf.

So I dug this up from the last ATL...

WAY too much is being made of his half season. Do you pay a guy 40 mill for a half season that doesn't even get you playoff level team? Because that is what everyone seems to be saying. His career WS is <10.

Beyond that, you miss the point. What the max anyone else can sign him for? 4/58? So the Wiz can give him 5/90 and you think he is going to be upset that he isn't somewhere else making 4/58? This also precludes them from giving Beal a 5th year if he keeps making strides.

Its no secret that players play better in contract years. It just surprises me that teams aren't allowing even RFAs the chance to show their skills in a contract year when they have zero risk of losing a player. when you have all the leverage and you give it away to keep a player happy when you are already making them happy by paying them significantly more. I am almost always on the players side but it seems a peculiar direction considering the leverage. Its particularly surprising with players who haven't had the opportunities to shine (Favors).

unklchuk · Post #84 » by **unklchuk** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:35 pm

Bogut.

I didn't so much mind that he was traded. What griped me was that we did what we routinely do with players the front office decides are not part of The Solution.

We devalued him. Maybe they do that so the fans won't complain. Maybe they do it because they are incapable of making gray area decisions, so they pile blame on the guy to boost their dubious confidence that the trade is warranted.

Then they move the player for salvage or clearance prices. After seeing the health issues and the man play for them, Bogut is worth 40+M to GSW. Ellis and Udoh aren't worth diddly to us.

You think the pattern would have to stop. But it doesn't have to. In a revision of the retail sign: If you own it you can break it.

Post #85 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:37 pm

unklchuk wrote:
Then they move the player for salvage or clearance prices.

Get ready for Ersan to be dealt in two years for a second round pick.

HurricaneKid · Post #86 » by **HurricaneKid** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:54 pm

As for Royce White, he did himself no favors in preseason. His best skillset coming out of school was supposed to be his passing and he avg 6.44TOs/36min and an asst:to of .35. Yes, 0.35. Its simply unacceptable. And before anyone says Giannis' TOs were too high, he is 18; Royce is 22 and is supposed to be far more polished.

Nebula1 · Post #87 » by **Nebula1** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:39 pm

With Steven Adams playing well, I'd consider using him with Perkins in a trade for Al Horford if I'm OKC.

jakecronus8 · Post #88 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:07 pm

jr lucosa wrote:I like the trade. Gortat helps the Wiz, Shannon Brown can probably provide some offense off the bench... Kendall Marshall is downright terrible but they can cut him, and the Suns get an expiring and 1st rounder. Like it for both sides.

ETA - I see they will waive Brown too, probably for the best

Bogut extension, there's no question he's worth the money if he can stay healthy, story of his career.

I was gonna comment but upon seeing your avatar I need to go get a quick fap.

Post #89 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:22 pm

Biyombo looking good in the pre-season.....

Monta shooting horribly. He still have it all. Dallas fans will hate him by December first

I wish we had Anthony Davis.....per the earlier discussion, I think he's the break out guy this season.

Post #90 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:25 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Biyombo looking good in the pre-season.....

Monta shooting horribly. He still have it all. Dallas fans will hate him by December first

I wish we had Anthony Davis.....per the earlier discussion, I think he's the break out guy this season.

There aren't five guys in the entire league I'd rather have than Davis.

Bucks_MacGyver · Post #91 » by **Bucks_MacGyver** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:36 pm

Sometimes I dont get all the Bogut love on this board. I'll leave it at that.

theFireBlanket · Post #92 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:46 pm

Bucks_Pre wrote:Sometimes I dont get all the Bogut love on this board. I'll leave it at that.

Seems like a fair deal for both GS & Andrew.

Baddy Chuck · Post #93 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:47 pm

Bucks_Pre wrote:Sometimes I dont get all the Bogut love on this board. I'll leave it at that.

Really not that surprising coming from one of Jennings' biggest supporters.

AussieBuck · Post #94 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:22 pm

Golden State were fairly snookered on Bogut without cap room to find another C.

Matches Malone · Post #95 » by **Matches Malone** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:There aren't five guys in the entire league I'd rather have than Davis.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far...

Derrick Rose
Lebron James
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Stephen Curry

I do however think Davis will be a superstar in the next 2-3 years. He looks great!

giraldo5 · Post #96 » by **giraldo5** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:06 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:There aren't five guys in the entire league I'd rather have than Davis.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far...

Derrick Rose
Lebron James
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Stephen Curry

I do however think Davis will be a superstar in the next 2-3 years. He looks great!

Not sure I'd say he's top 5, definitely top 7.

I'd take him over Paul and Melo. Same tier as Rose, Curry, Irving.

paul · Post #97 » by **paul** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:08 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Golden State were fairly snookered on Bogut without cap room to find another C.

They were.

Makes sense for both sides imo. He's worth it if he's healthy, hopefully he is.

paul · Post #98 » by **paul** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:09 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:There aren't five guys in the entire league I'd rather have than Davis.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far...

Derrick Rose
Lebron James
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Stephen Curry

I do however think Davis will be a superstar in the next 2-3 years. He looks great!

Yikes, get Melo off that list brother.

Matches Malone · Post #99 » by **Matches Malone** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:10 pm

Ok how about Paul George instead of Melo? lol

Post #100 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:19 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:There aren't five guys in the entire league I'd rather have than Davis.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far...

Derrick Rose
Lebron James
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Stephen Curry

I do however think Davis will be a superstar in the next 2-3 years. He looks great!

Now that I think about it, James and Durant are the only two I'd take over Davis. He's going to be the NBA's next franchise big, a special two-way player with the size and physical ability to dominate.