Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[Rapsfan07]

I'm just watching this Warriors/Lakers game and was pondering if Klay Thompson could be getable. I doubt it, but I was just wondering.

I doubt the Warriors are going to be dealing Thompson. SG is a shallow position in the NBA and Thompson looks like he could be a Martin type SG. They can't keep both Klay and Harrison and because they signed Iggy, I think they trade Barnes.

Right now it's really questionable which one of Barnes/Thompson they trade but at this point I say they keep Barnes and trade Thompson.

Why? Wouldn't you say Thompson has proven to be more valuable?

[TheFreshPrince]

I doubt the Warriors are going to be dealing Thompson. SG is a shallow position in the NBA and Thompson looks like he could be a Martin type SG. They can't keep both Klay and Harrison and because they signed Iggy, I think they trade Barnes.

Right now it's really questionable which one of Barnes/Thompson they trade but at this point I say they keep Barnes and trade Thompson.

Why? Wouldn't you say Thompson has proven to be more valuable?

I definitely would, but this is a league built on guys with potential and GState would have a hard time explaining the trading of a guy like Barnes after his playoff performance last season. Also, Klay will need a payday after next season, not to mention he's two years older. To be honest, these are all mediocre arguments because Harrison will have the be paid the very next season to Klay, and it's not like either guy is old (both are 90's babies). But you know how this league works. Teams who look like they have everything set up to run off a decade of deep playoff runs do stupid things, just ask OKC why they dealt Jeff Green for Kendrick Perkins and James Harden instead of Serge Ibaka.

[Rapsfan07]

Is there any sort of variation on a deal with the Bobcats that might make sense?

Rudy Gay
Kyle Lowry

For

Ben Gordon
Bismack Biyombo
Ramon Sessions
2016 first round pick, unprotected

Charlotte goes all in, we gather up picks in 2016 giving us 3, also ensuring a high pick in this upcoming draft.

Thoughts? Not enough value?

I've created countless Gay to Charlotte deals in this thread and they more or less contain the same pieces.

Either way, I think your particular deal is unfair to us. First of all, Charlotte needs to throw in one of their 2014 picks (DET or PORT) and/or change Biyombo to Gilchrist.

Toronto out: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Toronto in: Gordon, Sessions, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

[RonaldArtest]

Is there any sort of variation on a deal with the Bobcats that might make sense?

Rudy Gay
Kyle Lowry

For

Ben Gordon
Bismack Biyombo
Ramon Sessions
2016 first round pick, unprotected

Charlotte goes all in, we gather up picks in 2016 giving us 3, also ensuring a high pick in this upcoming draft.

Thoughts? Not enough value?

I've created countless Gay to Charlotte deals in this thread and they more or less contain the same pieces.

Either way, I think your particular deal is unfair to us. First of all, Charlotte needs to throw in one of their 2014 picks (DET or PORT) and/or change Biyombo to Gilchrist.

Toronto out: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Toronto in: Gordon, Sessions, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

That would be ideal, but I can't fathom Charlotte giving up MKG and a 2014 pick. There's the risk that neither Gay nor Lowry resign there, which makes it a tough pill to swallow.

The question I have is what asset I'd rather have: one of those 2014 picks, MKG, or an unprotected 2016 1st.

[Rapsfan07]

Is there any sort of variation on a deal with the Bobcats that might make sense?

Rudy Gay
Kyle Lowry

For

Ben Gordon
Bismack Biyombo
Ramon Sessions
2016 first round pick, unprotected

Charlotte goes all in, we gather up picks in 2016 giving us 3, also ensuring a high pick in this upcoming draft.

Thoughts? Not enough value?

I've created countless Gay to Charlotte deals in this thread and they more or less contain the same pieces.

Either way, I think your particular deal is unfair to us. First of all, Charlotte needs to throw in one of their 2014 picks (DET or PORT) and/or change Biyombo to Gilchrist.

Toronto out: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Toronto in: Gordon, Sessions, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

That would be ideal, but I can't fathom Charlotte giving up MKG and a 2014 pick. There's the risk that neither Gay nor Lowry resign there, which makes it a tough pill to swallow.

The question I have is what asset I'd rather have: one of those 2014 picks, MKG, or an unprotected 2016 1st.

2014 is more valuable than anything they have .

We can extend Gay before dealing him as well. Not sure if we can offer anything to Lowry during the season as well. But I'd love to make a deal work with Charlotte. Obviously that's just an idea but still


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[sweetcity]

Charlotte or Detroit look like the early favorites for a trade. I could see the bulls as an intriguing option as well for Rudy Gay, especially with their lack of scoring.... and need for PG Depth (Kyle Lowry)

What about

Gay + Lowry to Chicago for Hinrich, Deng, Mirotec

Then flip Deng to Charlotte

Deng for Gordon + protected 1st

Core - DD + JV + Mirotec + 2014 1st (PG or SF) hopefully Wiggins or Smart
Other Assets = Charlotte 1st + Knicks 1st + Ross + Amir

[TheGoodDoctor]

I'm just watching this Warriors/Lakers game and was pondering if Klay Thompson could be getable. I doubt it, but I was just wondering.

I doubt the Warriors are going to be dealing Thompson. SG is a shallow position in the NBA and Thompson looks like he could be a Martin type SG. They can't keep both Klay and Harrison and because they signed Iggy, I think they trade Barnes.

Right now it's really questionable which one of Barnes/Thompson they trade but at this point I say they keep Barnes and trade Thompson.

I feel it's the complete opposite.

Klay is clearly the better player and has a lot more to do with GSW's success than Barnes does. Look at the media hype calling him & Curry the best shooting combo in NBA history and nicknaming them the Splash Brothers. If Curry has an off night Klay has shown that he can step up and take on that scoring load something Barnes has not and he simply isn't the level of scorer Klay is. Barnes basically tries to do the little things, defend, hustle and score occasionally which pretty much sums up what Iggy does but is much better at. The fact that GSW was rumored to want a player like Igoudala BEFORE Barnes was even drafted and now actually went out and got him even after the fact I would say Barnes days MAY be numbered. Thompson isn't going anywhere.

Wouldn't be surprised if Barnes is traded for a 3rd big man as insurance for Bogut.

[TheFreshPrince]

I doubt the Warriors are going to be dealing Thompson. SG is a shallow position in the NBA and Thompson looks like he could be a Martin type SG. They can't keep both Klay and Harrison and because they signed Iggy, I think they trade Barnes.

Right now it's really questionable which one of Barnes/Thompson they trade but at this point I say they keep Barnes and trade Thompson.

I feel it's the complete opposite.

Klay is clearly the better player and has a lot more to do with GSW's success than Barnes does. Look at the media hype calling him & Curry the best shooting combo in NBA history and nicknaming them the Splash Brothers. If Curry has an off night Klay has shown that he can step up and take on that scoring load something Barnes has not and he simply isn't the level of scorer Klay is. Barnes basically tries to do the little things, defend, hustle and score occasionally which pretty much sums up what Iggy does but is much better at. The fact that GSW was rumored to want a player like Igoudala BEFORE Barnes was even drafted and now actually went out and got him even after the fact I would say Barnes days MAY be numbered. Thompson isn't going anywhere.

Wouldn't be surprised if Barnes is traded for a 3rd big man as insurance for Bogut.

Yeah, it all makes sense to deal Barnes over Thompson as I said earlier. I guess I just have a feeling that they make the mistake of trading Klay instead, nothing concrete by any means. It could all depend on what type of money he demands when it's time for his extension.

[TheFreshPrince]

Acquiring a guy like Asik could make our interior defense absolutely ridiculous if JV plays the 4, then bring Amir off the bench. I know Rockets officials said he's not available, but they'd never admit it.

[Reg00]

G. Hayward for D. Derozan. Shooting and better passing.

[sweetcity]

G. Hayward for D. Derozan. Shooting and better passing.

i dont think Utah does it, lateral move at best

[WhatsaTDot]

Not a single trade on this page is remotely close to being fair. They are all wildly in favor of the Raps.

This one is pure crazy talk
Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

[sweetcity]

Not a single trade on this page is remotely close to being fair. They are all wildly in favor of the Raps.

This one is pure crazy talk
Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

top 14 protected and its not that bad. its basically Gordon's expiring, sessions expiring and a young Gerald Wallace for Rudy Gay then Lowry for the pick.

MKG's ceiling isn't very high IMO. He will be a stat sheet stuffer like Crash, but he isnt going to score a lot of points.

[Rapsfan07]

Not a single trade on this page is remotely close to being fair. They are all wildly in favor of the Raps.

This one is pure crazy talk
Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

top 14 protected and its not that bad. its basically Gordon's expiring, sessions expiring and a young Gerald Wallace for Rudy Gay then Lowry for the pick.

MKG's ceiling isn't very high IMO. He will be a stat sheet stuffer like Crash, but he isnt going to score a lot of points.

Crazy talk? We're dealing a top 7 SF, a starting quality PG and a sharpshooter for expirings, a top 8 protected pick and a prospect.

The difference in this deal is how MKG is viewed and I have never been a huge of his. IMO he just really isn't that good. Decent at everything, good at nothing and if he's lucky, he gets to be Crash. If not, he's a rotation guy. Besides rebounding and defense, there's nothing all that great about him.

I think a lot of the hype and aura comes from being taken 2nd overall (which was too high IMO) but other than that I don't see anything special there.


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[Morris_Shatford]

Acquiring a guy like Asik could make our interior defense absolutely ridiculous if JV plays the 4, then bring Amir off the bench. I know Rockets officials said he's not available, but they'd never admit it.

I am not sure of JV could play the four;
But it would be a lot of fun to see Asik and JV upfront.

However I think the Rox are going to want immediate help in exchange for him and likely at the four.

Aside from Amir I don't think we have much that could be of interest.

[sweetcity]

Not a single trade on this page is remotely close to being fair. They are all wildly in favor of the Raps.

This one is pure crazy talk
Charlotte in: Gay, Lowry, Novak
Charlotte out: Gordon, Session, Gilchrist, DET 2014 1st rd pick (top 8 protected)

top 14 protected and its not that bad. its basically Gordon's expiring, sessions expiring and a young Gerald Wallace for Rudy Gay then Lowry for the pick.

MKG's ceiling isn't very high IMO. He will be a stat sheet stuffer like Crash, but he isnt going to score a lot of points.

Crazy talk? We're dealing a top 7 SF, a starting quality PG and a sharpshooter for expirings, a top 8 protected pick and a prospect.

The difference in this deal is how MKG is viewed and I have never been a huge of his. IMO he just really isn't that good. Decent at everything, good at nothing and if he's lucky, he gets to be Crash. If not, he's a rotation guy. Besides rebounding and defense, there's nothing all that great about him.

I think a lot of the hype and aura comes from being taken 2nd overall (which was too high IMO) but other than that I don't see anything special there.


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Thats what I said, in less words

[TheFreshPrince]

Acquiring a guy like Asik could make our interior defense absolutely ridiculous if JV plays the 4, then bring Amir off the bench. I know Rockets officials said he's not available, but they'd never admit it.

I am not sure of JV could play the four;
But it would be a lot of fun to see Asik and JV upfront.

However I think the Rox are going to want immediate help in exchange for him and likely at the four.

Aside from Amir I don't think we have much that could be of interest.

In that case I'd rather keep Amir. Asik is a nice player but if JV can't play the 4 we'd just be screwing ourselves over.

[sweetcity]

Toronto Out - Ross + Knicks 2016 1st
Toronto In - Harrison Barnes

Toronto Out - Rudy Gay
Toronto In - CV + Stuckey + Greg Monroe

Toronto Out - Kyle Lowry
Toronto In - Tony Snell + Marquis Teague

Raptors

Marcus Smart?- Marquis Teague
DeMar DeRozan - Tony Snell
Harrison Barnes - Tony Snell
Greg Monroe - Amir Johnson
Jonas - Hansborough

[TheGoodDoctor]

Toronto Out - Ross + Knicks 2016 1st
Toronto In - Harrison Barnes

Toronto Out - Rudy Gay
Toronto In - CV + Stuckey + Greg Monroe

Toronto Out - Kyle Lowry
Toronto In - Tony Snell + Marquis Teague

Raptors

Marcus Smart?- Marquis Teague
DeMar DeRozan - Tony Snell
Harrison Barnes - Tony Snell
Greg Monroe - Amir Johnson
Jonas - Hansborough

I always think there's potential to land Monroe from DET, not so sure GSW gives up Barnes for TRoss but the pick helps and the addition of Igoudala makes him a little more dispensible. Would certainly love if either went through.

[Dr Positivity]

I think to get MKG the deal may have to look like this

Toronto gets MKG, Ben Gordon

Charlotte gets Rudy Gay, Terrence Ross

That's a lot to pay to 'move up' from Ross to MKG, not sure at all MKG is the better prospect, but if Ujiri has a Wins Produced-resembling system he will be in love with MKG. Charlotte both gets Gay to try and win and picks up Ross, a long term 3pt shooting 2 guard. I think this trade makes a lot of sense.