Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

[SOUL]

lol @ people already calling MCW a superstar. Slow your role there. Oladipo has been great thus far.

Tyreke averaged 20/5/5 his rookie year look where he is now, Jennings was a beast - MCW has played a great opening 3 games, anybody talking re-drafting oladipo should just stop discussing sports

[dsg2021]

lol @ people already calling MCW a superstar. Slow your role there. Oladipo has been great thus far.

Tyreke averaged 20/5/5 his rookie year look where he is now, Jennings was a beast - MCW has played a great opening 3 games, anybody talking re-drafting oladipo should just stop discussing sports

Ofc it's too early to tell but the A:TO ratio is mind boggling (especially as a prospect rookie) and Im pointing out two things in relation to MCW. If he was #11 drafted but the Magic had him rated higher and saw 2-3 trades slip away to tab him (remember how many sources said up to draft night that the Magic were prepared to trade around in the draft but never actually did), that's quite a travesty. And the other was, yes Oladipo is great but if the Magic lost out on someone (besides Bennett) who was not only great but also a bonafide franchise superstar, you gotta go back to the draft evaluation room and make it right next time.

[Ducklett]

lol @ people already calling MCW a superstar. Slow your role there. Oladipo has been great thus far.

Tyreke averaged 20/5/5 his rookie year look where he is now, Jennings was a beast - MCW has played a great opening 3 games, anybody talking re-drafting oladipo should just stop discussing sports

Why? Because you have to defend your precious pick? Look man, Oladipo ain't a bad player, but you are being dishonest to sit here and say you rather have Oladipo over MCW right now. Come on! MCW is playing out of this world for a ROOKIE PG. PG Is very hard to pick up in this league, and the dude has led what people were predicting to be a 15 win team to 3-0. Give the kid some respect, my god.

[KillMonger]

I had MCW in my top 3 but let the kid be a rookie before you say he's a franchise. Long way to go, lets revisit this down the line maybe later in the season. Can't really compare a Starter with all the opportunity to a Bench player who seems to only play in 6 minute spurts.

[SOUL]

lol @ people already calling MCW a superstar. Slow your role there. Oladipo has been great thus far.

Tyreke averaged 20/5/5 his rookie year look where he is now, Jennings was a beast - MCW has played a great opening 3 games, anybody talking re-drafting oladipo should just stop discussing sports

Why? Because you have to defend your precious pick? Look man, Oladipo ain't a bad player, but you are being dishonest to sit here and say you rather have Oladipo over MCW right now. Come on! MCW is playing out of this world for a ROOKIE PG. PG Is very hard to pick up in this league, and the dude has led what people were predicting to be a 15 win team to 3-0. Give the kid some respect, my god.

1. I gave him props. He's playing MVP level basketball through the first week. It's the FIRST WEEK. If he continues this for half of the season, I will eat crow.

The fact remains he's a low percentage shooter - it's been documented through college and in summer league. He isn't going to remedy that in his first half of the season - if he does, he has maybe the highest ceiling of the rookies. He also had turnover problems - again, if he improves both of these things, and continues being a ball-hawk with the steals, he will be ROY.

2. I don't look at players and think I want them because they've had a great 3 games over a two-way player that's shown a lot through 3 games as well. We don't have a Bennett situation on our hands.

3. The Sixers will still finish 20 games below .500. It's like asking if Bulls fans want to trade Rose because he's shooting like 20% or whatever horrible field goal he's shooting.

God forbid if it's a problem that I think wanting to trade for a player 3 games into a season and re-think our draft pick after 3 games is a LITTLE BIT of an overreaction.

[SOUL]

I really legitimately would like to see people on this forum as GM's because of the gross overreactions people have. Seriously, what's wrong with me calling him a good player? Do I have to say I would trade him for Oladipo because he's had the best 3 games (of probably the whole NBA) so far?

[OrlandO]

I think people are forgetting a lot of unusual stuff happens in the first 10 to 15 games or so... things have a tendency to balance out after that. For example, the Bobcats started out 7-5 last year, but finished 21-61. Who remembers Brandon Jennings' rookie season when he scored 55, 32, 29, 26, 25, 25 and 24 points in his first 11 games?

[SOUL]

lol @ people already calling MCW a superstar. Slow your role there. Oladipo has been great thus far.

Tyreke averaged 20/5/5 his rookie year look where he is now, Jennings was a beast - MCW has played a great opening 3 games, anybody talking re-drafting oladipo should just stop discussing sports

Ofc it's too early to tell but the A:TO ratio is mind boggling (especially as a prospect rookie) and Im pointing out two things in relation to MCW. If he was #11 drafted but the Magic had him rated higher and saw 2-3 trades slip away to tab him (remember how many sources said up to draft night that the Magic were prepared to trade around in the draft but never actually did), that's quite a travesty. And the other was, yes Oladipo is great but if the Magic lost out on someone (besides Bennett) who was not only great but also a bonafide franchise superstar, you gotta go back to the draft evaluation room and make it right next time.

Like I said, I don't mind revisiting this after this year. Hell, I'd even 2-3 years.

But no rookie is a legit superstar. Hell, Oladipo isn't even GREAT yet. Bennett could wake up and be a beast.

But from what I've seen from Oladipo, he's exactly what the Magic have needed. It's not to shame MCW. You just can't gauge things after 3 games.

Ike Diogu drops 30/10 when hes in the NBA every time he gets minutes and he can't even find a team for the last few years.

[Driguez]

Typical RealGM. It really irks me that EVERY SINGLE SEASON we have the same threads and the same story with our picks. Jesus, revisit it at the end of the season, its been what, 2 games? Im happy for the Sixers fans but thats all, I really dont care how other picks are doing but our own. You can always become a Sixer's bandwagon fan FWIW. Good for Philly, pointless for Orlando.

[eyriq]

MCW knocked Oladipo out of the tourney. Oladipo hit a game winner on him in the summer league. MCW is taking an early and emphatic lead in the ROY contest.

I'm thinking this story could be entertaining.

[Smooth_E]

i said it before i'll say it again MCW is in a different situation. It's like this, Philly handed him the keys to brand new sports car and told him he could drive it anytime he wants and however long he wants. Dipo on the other hand was handed the keys to brand new sports car but can only drive it at certain times and has bring it back quite often. I think Henny senses Dipo's situation and that is why there are whispers than Nelson is on the trading block like right now.

Excellent comparison. Couldn't be more spot on. And 1!

[dsg2021]

MCW knocked Oladipo out of the tourney. Oladipo hit a game winner on him in the summer league. MCW is taking an early and emphatic lead in the ROY contest.

I'm thinking this story could be entertaining.

Agreed!

For me, the two biggest things Oladipo has going for him;
1) The league-wide opinion on Oladipo from people who actually know the game. ESPN had unprecedented league access to draft opinions than any other season (multiple GM, Scout, FO sources directly inputting). They and other sites (DraftExpress most notably) also seem to get a tiny bit better every season in their own draft opinions. All of it generally said Oladipo was both the Safest and an averaged Top 1-2 prospect of the draft. The Magic kept justifiably secretive and open-minded with prospect researching (with the little fluff pieces in the summer). They looked at a pretty unusually numerous range of players, which is great. After all that information, Other teams were trying to trade into acquiring Oladipo on draft day (media again), but it did not work. The Magic drafted Oladipo for themselves.

2) Many college prospects show improvement over time/seasons, but (except for maybe Trey), Oladipo has shown maybe the most outstanding rate of improvement over time than any other college player. The trend has a lot of water behind it because it seems soundly true in pre-college ball and had three whole college seasons of proof, not just some one and done or one-two season improvement. That third college season was Oladipo at a 59 FG% with college stat comparisons to Jordan/Wade, an ultra confident personality, and a Darrell Armstrong-like hustle. Rate of improvement also typically resets in a new arena of league play, meaning Oladipo will probably readjust and grow his game unbelievably well over seasons.

[Def Swami]

I think I read a stat somewhere where the team who has a player that wins ROY has never won the lottery the following year. So MCW, be my guest.

[OrlandO]

I think I read a stat somewhere where the team who has a player that wins ROY has never won the lottery the following year. So MCW, be my guest.

We won the lotto after Shaq won ROY

[bigdogdylan5]

Oladipo has to beg for the ball while this guy comes in and plays 36,32, and 37 mins being allowed 22 shots is so stupid. Can we wait for the at least the first month to draw conclusions! There were a lot of people who liked Carter-Williams like myself and some who absolutely hated him but Oladipo was the safer pick he has athletism that MCW can barely dream of and is defensive skills are off the chart unfortunately those don't show up in stat sheet so nobody gives a care. Who cares if he wins ROY I cant even remember past Lillard who won it and lets remember Mike Miller won it once upon a time and he turned out amazing (sarcasm). Its just so funny to watch these people pass judgment saying we screwed up and should have picked him after 3 games

[rcklsscognition]

I'm trying to remember the draft buzz in MCW and I think a few of us were thinking he had the highest ceiling of the PGs but his jumper was going to kill him.

I think the point we should eventually discuss towards the mid way point is if Henny blew a chance at MCW because he was in love with Oladipo at PG and being the next Westbrook. I think we easily had a trade in place for the #9 pick and Henny didn't pull the trigger because he envisioned oladipo/afflalo/Harkless/Harris/vuc.

I think we should have moved afflalo for a higher pick and gotten younger. We will see what value afflalo brings to this team in wins or trade value.

In a couple years I'll be interested to see what would have been better...oladipo/afflalo, mclemore/mcw, or Oladipo/MCW. Or even Noel or someone else we don't know yet.

[rcklsscognition]

Is anyone saying we should have picked MCW 2nd or is it what I assume is 9th or 10th via trade?

And oladipo doesn't have to beg for the ball he is bringing it up the court most of the time. I highly doubt he's being told not to shoot. And most of what is impressive about mcw isn't his scoring.

[bigdogdylan5]

Is anyone saying we should have picked MCW 2nd or is it what I assume is 9th or 10th via trade?

And oladipo doesn't have to beg for the ball he is bringing it up the court most of the time. I highly doubt he's being told not to shoot. And most of what is impressive about mcw isn't his scoring.

Did you actually watch these games because from all the video I saw of MCWs assists in last nights game were not very impressive a lot of it was good shooting and dump offs to the posts he did have some good passes and his point guard vision is very good but I don't think ultimately he will be better than Oladipo. Oladipo is bringing up the ball "Most of the time" I just cant agree with that statement I saw a lot of Affalo (even though he was hot shooting) and Jameer being so ball dominant I thought they would literally dribble the air out of the ball by themselves. He is not given the reigns like MCW has, and until we see him in that role for probably one full season I don't see how anyone can pass judgment especially over a 3 games stretch

[MoMM]

The fact remains he's a low percentage shooter - it's been documented through college and in summer league. He isn't going to remedy that in his first half of the season - if he does, he has maybe the highest ceiling of the rookies. He also had turnover problems - again, if he improves both of these things, and continues being a ball-hawk with the steals, he will be ROY.[/i]

If he keeps playing this way and carry the Sixers to the playoffs, he wont be ROY, he will be MVP.

[SOUL]

Exactly.

And he won't.

I'll bet my life savings on it lol