ATL - Oladipo is Really Good (and Bledsoe dominant again)

Wonka · Post #741 » by **Wonka** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:12 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:In keeping with the Wonka theme (love the name and avatar), Butler was our.....

FTFY.

and thanks man, one of my favorite movies and actors of all time.

trwi7 · Post #742 » by **trwi7** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:13 pm

I have never seen that movie.

BobbyLight · Post #743 » by **BobbyLight** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:18 pm

My main issue with the Bledsoe thing is this...

We have had things actually happen (Harris/Redick trade) or confirmed (We could have had Curry instead of Ellis) that are so astronomically stupid that I can understand why we remain upset over them. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but there hasn't been any sort of actual confirmation from even a board "insider" that we had any actual, legitimate shot at Bledsoe.

Now, I know that it is 100% logical to infer that we could have/should have had gotten him but applying logic to any situation where NBA GM's are involved is extremely... illogical. The NBA is a weird place with 5 terrible trades and signings for 1 good one. There are so many things that could have happened behind the scenes that we will never know what actual chance we had at Beldsoe. Yeah, we could have said no and let Redick go on his own, but we didn't. And just because we didn't let Redick walk doesn't mean we had an actual shot at Beldsoe.

Basically I am just saying, I can understand how one would be upset at this because logic tells you that we should have had a chance, but unless someone has some actual confirmation on the fact that we did have a shot and turn it down, this is one of the terrible non-moves we can be upset with in theory but it needs to be dropped eventually. No one knows what actual shot we had here.

Post #744 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:22 pm

Wonka wrote:and thanks man, one of my favorite movies and actors of all time.

Ditto. Great movie. And Milwaukee native, Gene Wilder. Washington High School graduate.

Wonka · Post #745 » by **Wonka** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:25 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Wonka wrote:and thanks man, one of my favorite movies and actors of all time.

Ditto. Great movie. And Milwaukee native, Gene Wilder. Washington High School graduate.

I remember finding out he was from Milwaukee when I was younger and every time I came to the city I wore a Willy Wonka t shirt in hopes that he would see it. Little did I know he lives in New York. :oops:

Post #746 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:31 pm

BobbyLight wrote: No one knows what actual shot we had here.

Completely agree with this. But it fits the pattern. Hammond can't close a deal where the Bucks actually would look like winners on the surface. The David Lee/Gallo Deal, the Curry deal, the many Carl Landry deals, the Josh Smith deal and dozens of others we never heard anything about.

We know our front office better than they know themselves. I'm sure we had a chance at Bledsoe but either wouldn't add more to the trade pot or the cronies and Kohl got all worried about having to sign him to an extension and/or wanted to resolve the Jennings situation first.

Until Hammond makes a bold signature GM move, that proves he can actually pull one off, I'm going with the belief that we screwed up or made a weak offer.

stellation · Post #747 » by **stellation** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:33 pm

Wonka wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
BobbyLight wrote:It's double the good because it's a picture of Wonka responding to Wonka.

It's why I did it. Condescending Wonka works so well there.

You serious? You were the one being condescending. I was just saying there's no reason we can't be polite without giving each other attitude. **** me right?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQi9O4wQMIU[/youtube]

stellation · Post #748 » by **stellation** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:36 pm

paul wrote:
stellation wrote:Through 4 games this season the 6'11" Andrea Bargnani is averaging more turnovers than he is averaging rebounds, steals and blocks combined.

Lulz

Not too shockingly, she's also averaging more 3pt FGA than rebounds, steals and blocks combined.

BobbyLight · Post #749 » by **BobbyLight** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:36 pm

I agree 100% with what your saying, this teams confirmed moves/non moves give plenty of reason to hate the fact that we were involved with a Beldsoe trade that saw him go to another team, but since this is one of those things where we just don't have any intel on the reality of the situation it should be pretty low on our list of what pisses us off.

The logic of that Beldsoe/Redick trade makes no sense and fits so well with stuff we know about the front office, but since this is and will be an unknown, I think that one should be erased from memory more quickly than the things that have actually happened.

trwi7 · Post #750 » by **trwi7** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:40 pm

I could have sworn before the trade that BuckPack was hinting that Bledsoe was a possibility.

DanoMac · Post #751 » by **DanoMac** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:41 pm

trwi7 wrote:I have never seen that movie.

Such a great movie.

trwi7 · Post #752 » by **trwi7** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:43 pm

It must be ADD or some **** because I cannot sit through a movie without doing something else, which is fine with me because I save a **** ton of money not having to buy movie tickets.

worthlessBucks · Post #753 » by **worthlessBucks** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:44 pm

trwi7 wrote:I could have sworn before the trade that BuckPack was hinting that Bledsoe was a possibility.

BuckPack wrote:This deal has always been a bit of a longshot. Bucks aren't the holdup, but they're not holding their breadth. Clips have yet to prioritize Mayo/Redick and once they do, they will still need to decide whether giving up Bledsoe is worth the acquisition. We will see.

I have to assume he had his info before Phoenix was pulled into the picture.

BobbyLight · Post #754 » by **BobbyLight** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 8:48 pm

worthlessBucks wrote:
trwi7 wrote:I could have sworn before the trade that BuckPack was hinting that Bledsoe was a possibility.

BuckPack wrote:This deal has always been a bit of a longshot. Bucks aren't the holdup, but they're not holding their breadth. Clips have yet to prioritize Mayo/Redick and once they do, they will still need to decide whether giving up Bledsoe is worth the acquisition. We will see.

I have to assume he had his info before Phoenix was pulled into the picture.

Thanks, I missed that. Sounds like it was never really a possibility to me. Yeah, we could have still let Redick walk but maybe our thought process was if we couldn't get Bledsoe we might as well get something, even if it's 2 meaningless picks. If Beldsoe really was never a possibility then I can't get all that crazy angry about getting something for Redick even if it's essentially worthless... But who knows, 2nd round picks hit here and there.

HurricaneKid · Post #755 » by **HurricaneKid** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 9:27 pm

SkilesTheLimit wrote:Isn't Bledsoe a RFA at season's end? We can bid on him then if he's worth it.

They were GOING to give him 4/48. If he keeps this up they will match max which is 4/58. That has ALWAYS been the downside of trading for him. You pay to get him and you pay to keep him.

blazza18 · Post #756 » by **blazza18** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 9:39 pm

Before the trade happened everything was pointing towards us targeting Bledsoe, tweets from the Clippers insider hinted at that. A smart GM heads into that deal targeting Bledsoe anyway.
Then all of a sudden Phoenix enter the picture and end up with him. Would love to have known what went down and why we only ended up with two 2nd round picks.

HurricaneKid · Post #757 » by **HurricaneKid** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 9:46 pm

Everyone that reported on the deal said we were never getting Bledsoe. Anyone that says otherwise is going off partial information we heard about being in on the deal (which we were).

And it should be noted, there were a LOT of people HERE that wanted nothing to do with him.

Post #758 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 9:49 pm

blazza18 wrote: A smart GM heads into that deal targeting Bledsoe anyway.

Bingo.

And if you don't get him, then move on. No need to make Redick happy for a couple second round picks.

Another thing that I think happened goes back to the quote above with the Clips looking at Mayo or Redick. I'm sure Hambone wanted to make sure Redick ended up with the Clips, so Mayo is freed up for the Bucks.

But again, you are a stupid GM if you turn down the opportunity to get Bledsoe, just so you can maybe get Mayo. In the musical chairs world for Mayo, Redick, Kevin Martin, Budinger, etc, there weren't enough chairs. If you let Mayo go to LAC and Redick to Minny, then Martin or Budinger fall loose for the Bucks, PLUS we have Bledsoe.

BobbyLight · Post #759 » by **BobbyLight** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 9:55 pm

I'm in no way trying to defend the lack of a move but it seems like one that's far less egregious than things that I mentioned before... Trading for Redick, etc. It sounds, from BuckPack, that it was a very long shot that we get Bledsoe regardless of targeting him, so in my eyes giving Redick up for a couple of seconds just isn't on my list of things that piss me off about this team.

Now, if someone told me Hammond flat out declined to trade because we didn't want Caron's contract (only to get Caron later, lulz) then, okay, I am mad. But in a world where we targeted him, the Clips said no so we just get a few seconds for Redick then I am fine with that. There are other things I'd wish we could go back and re-do (like, how about trading an expiring $11mil in Ellis... eh, that list can go on and on) but this Bledsoe thing just doesn't eat at me.

stellation · Post #760 » by **stellation** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 10:02 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
blazza18 wrote: A smart GM heads into that deal targeting Bledsoe anyway.

Bingo.

What I don't really understand about Hammond is that he seems to have a decent ability to watch guys playing minutes outside the NBA (college/Europe) and translate that to how they may play in the NBA, but then seems to have a fairly limited ability to watch guys playing minutes in the NBA and translate that to how they may play in the NBA.