ATL - Oladipo is Really Good (and Bledsoe dominant again)

[paulpressey25]

I think what the Redick situation says is that everyone looks better around superstars in a winning system.

If you are depending on Redick to have an impact on a crappy Bucks or Orlando team, he's not capable of doing it. Just like Steve Kerr, John Paxson, etc. weren't either.

So no, the Bucks shouldn't have dealt for him. He wasn't capable of doing everything the Bucks needed at SG given the crappy roster and team identity (or lack of it)

[emunney]

Even without a superstar... I think we were on the other end of the spectrum as far as fit. We played him in three guard lineups, we played him lineups without any good screeners. We refused to sign his abortion contract. Just a mess all around.

[ReasonablySober]

I think what the Redick situation says is that everyone looks better around superstars in a winning system.

If you are depending on Redick to have an impact on a crappy Bucks or Orlando team, he's not capable of doing it. Just like Steve Kerr, John Paxson, etc. weren't either.

So no, the Bucks shouldn't have dealt for him. He wasn't capable of doing everything the Bucks needed at SG given the crappy roster and team identity (or lack of it)

Not a lot of superstars on that Orlando team when he played really, really well. He just happened to get traded to his worst possible situation.

It'll be fun watching him play in a situation that's ideal.

[paulpressey25]

I can agree with what you guys are saying. Redick did get traded to the worst possible situation.

[JimmyTheKid]

I don't say I told you so often, mostly because I'm consistently wrong, but I'm going to loudly point out all the success Redick has this season. It's going to be obnoxious. Every ATL thread. If you thought Paul and his GSW updates were bad, you haven't seen ****, folks.

Nobody should be surprised about Redick's early success in LA. He's a perfect fit. Were there multiple posters who claimed otherwise? Or are you going to be "obnoxious" just to troll Bucks fans? JJ would have been fine here had the Bucks been able to pull off the Monta for Josh Smith deal. But, predictably, in typical Bucks fashion, they botched two trades at the deadline, and added Redick to an already crowded backcourt.

Edit--- Oh yeah, now I get why you're saying "I told you so." You didn't understand why people were so upset with the Harris-Redick deal. Because Tobias wasn't a "franchise player." Except your "I told you so" doesn't even come close to applying here. Tobias Harris for JJ Redick was all kinds of terrible. (trading young talent for a run at the 8th seed, adding another guy who needs minutes into a backcourt where Monta and Jennings were playing 30+ minutes per game) How does that have anything to do with how JJ fares in LA?

[Turk Nowitzki]

We used Redick as badly as humanly possible and he was surrounded by the Swag Bros. in the backcourt. I'm sure he couldn't wait to get the hell out of here and rightly so.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't say I told you so often, mostly because I'm consistently wrong, but I'm going to loudly point out all the success Redick has this season. It's going to be obnoxious. Every ATL thread. If you thought Paul and his GSW updates were bad, you haven't seen ****, folks.

Nobody should be surprised about Redick's early success in LA. He's a perfect fit. Were there multiple posters who claimed otherwise? Or are you going to be "obnoxious" just to troll Bucks fans? JJ would have been fine here had the Bucks been able to pull off the Monta for Josh Smith deal. But, predictably, in typical Bucks fashion, they botched two trades at the deadline, and added Redick to an already crowded backcourt.

Edit--- Oh yeah, now I get why you're saying "I told you so." You didn't understand why people were so upset with the Harris-Redick deal. Because Tobias wasn't a "franchise player." Except your "I told you so" doesn't even come close to applying here. Tobias Harris for JJ Redick was all kinds of terrible. (trading young talent for a run at the 8th seed, adding another guy who needs minutes into a backcourt where Monta and Jennings were playing 30+ minutes per game) How does that have anything to do with how JJ fares in LA?

My 'I told you so' is with regards to Redick as a player. I don't think I ever argued that the deal should have been made, and I certainly didn't advocate for him being re-signed.

Yes, there were plenty of posters who **** on Redick, his game and his production. There are still posters doing it. Last Friday:

With that, he is not a starting SG in this league. Just not good enough defensively and not athletic enough. Plus the absolute shortest arms ever. The guy is one of the very few NBA players that actually has a shorter wingspan than height.

He's better than a lot of SGs defensively and easily starting quality. He's better than the guy we gave $8 million to.

No way. And, frankly, I'm not impressed with his shooting - his supposed strong suit. He's undersided; small arms; average athleticism. Decent starting 2's are the most easily replaced commodity on an NBA team, arguably. And, Reddick is a back-up. Yes, the trade is still raw. Nobody in their right mind would have traded Tobes for Redick without the rental status.

I got into a number of debates with regards to how good Redick is, how he performed in Orlando and how he did here. There are still somehow a lot of people who don't get that he's a really good player that was put in a really terrible situation.

[trwi7]

I don't say I told you so often, mostly because I'm consistently wrong, but I'm going to loudly point out all the success Redick has this season. It's going to be obnoxious. Every ATL thread. If you thought Paul and his GSW updates were bad, you haven't seen ****, folks.

Come on dude. Don't make me put you on ignore.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Yeah not sure what DB is trying to prove by playing the "I told you so" game with this one. Not sure exactly who said Redick was a terrible player, he just didn't fit last year's team and would be useless and counterproductive to our goals for this years team and beyond.

His perfect situation is LA. He can play 4th fiddle on a very good team. Doesn't change the fact that he played badly while in Milwaukee no matter the circumstances. The one thing he's noted for doing very well (shooting) was an utter disappointment here (a la my Steve Blake analogy).

[ReasonablySober]

Yeah not sure what DB is trying to prove by playing the "I told you so" game with this one. Not sure exactly who said Redick was a terrible player, he just didn't fit last year's team and would be useless and counterproductive to our goals for this years team and beyond.

His perfect situation is LA. He can play 4th fiddle on a very good team. Doesn't change the fact that he played badly while in Milwaukee no matter the circumstances. The one thing he's noted for doing very well (shooting) was an utter disappointment here (a la my Steve Blake analogy).

If you're not sure who's said it, just look like two posts above this.

As for Redick, this is probably the fifth time I've posted this but he was 2nd on the team in +/- during his time here, behind only Sanders among regulars and one of only three with a positive net. Even if his box score stats looked rough, him being on the court was a positive and one of the few who could make that claim.

[Thunder Muscle]

Redick wasn't used right here. He was paired with 2 **** heads and Boylan was hand tied b/c whenever he sat Jennings he was a bitch and Ellis would've been the same. Instead Redick was given inconsistent minutes and never could get in any kind of a rhythm. Once traded here, Redick should've been the starting 2 and getting 30 minutes/game.

[JBucks]

Everyone flood the zone with questions for Gardner's chat at 2.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/230430621.html?u=16#refresh

[Chapter29]

I don't say I told you so often, mostly because I'm consistently wrong, but I'm going to loudly point out all the success Redick has this season. It's going to be obnoxious. Every ATL thread. If you thought Paul and his GSW updates were bad, you haven't seen ****, folks.

Nobody should be surprised about Redick's early success in LA. He's a perfect fit. Were there multiple posters who claimed otherwise? Or are you going to be "obnoxious" just to troll Bucks fans? JJ would have been fine here had the Bucks been able to pull off the Monta for Josh Smith deal. But, predictably, in typical Bucks fashion, they botched two trades at the deadline, and added Redick to an already crowded backcourt.

Edit--- Oh yeah, now I get why you're saying "I told you so." You didn't understand why people were so upset with the Harris-Redick deal. Because Tobias wasn't a "franchise player." Except your "I told you so" doesn't even come close to applying here. Tobias Harris for JJ Redick was all kinds of terrible. (trading young talent for a run at the 8th seed, adding another guy who needs minutes into a backcourt where Monta and Jennings were playing 30+ minutes per game) How does that have anything to do with how JJ fares in LA?

My 'I told you so' is with regards to Redick as a player. I don't think I ever argued that the deal should have been made, and I certainly didn't advocate for him being re-signed.

Yes, there were plenty of posters who **** on Redick, his game and his production. There are still posters doing it. Last Friday:

With that, he is not a starting SG in this league. Just not good enough defensively and not athletic enough. Plus the absolute shortest arms ever. The guy is one of the very few NBA players that actually has a shorter wingspan than height.

He's better than a lot of SGs defensively and easily starting quality. He's better than the guy we gave $8 million to.

No way. And, frankly, I'm not impressed with his shooting - his supposed strong suit. He's undersided; small arms; average athleticism. Decent starting 2's are the most easily replaced commodity on an NBA team, arguably. And, Reddick is a back-up. Yes, the trade is still raw. Nobody in their right mind would have traded Tobes for Redick without the rental status.

I got into a number of debates with regards to how good Redick is, how he performed in Orlando and how he did here. There are still somehow a lot of people who don't get that he's a really good player that was put in a really terrible situation.

LMAO.

Yep I said it! I will say it again. And if you think for one second that I care if you call me out for it....think again. I don't think he is a good defender. I don't think he has enough size and athleticism to start in this league and I don't like his league leading short arms.

You think he's great....good for you. I don't like him, but don't care one way or another now that he is gone from here. I would not want him back for 1/2 of what he makes.

[bizarro]

Nobody should be surprised about Redick's early success in LA. He's a perfect fit. Were there multiple posters who claimed otherwise? Or are you going to be "obnoxious" just to troll Bucks fans? JJ would have been fine here had the Bucks been able to pull off the Monta for Josh Smith deal. But, predictably, in typical Bucks fashion, they botched two trades at the deadline, and added Redick to an already crowded backcourt.

Edit--- Oh yeah, now I get why you're saying "I told you so." You didn't understand why people were so upset with the Harris-Redick deal. Because Tobias wasn't a "franchise player." Except your "I told you so" doesn't even come close to applying here. Tobias Harris for JJ Redick was all kinds of terrible. (trading young talent for a run at the 8th seed, adding another guy who needs minutes into a backcourt where Monta and Jennings were playing 30+ minutes per game) How does that have anything to do with how JJ fares in LA?

My 'I told you so' is with regards to Redick as a player. I don't think I ever argued that the deal should have been made, and I certainly didn't advocate for him being re-signed.

Yes, there were plenty of posters who **** on Redick, his game and his production. There are still posters doing it. Last Friday:

With that, he is not a starting SG in this league. Just not good enough defensively and not athletic enough. Plus the absolute shortest arms ever. The guy is one of the very few NBA players that actually has a shorter wingspan than height.

No way. And, frankly, I'm not impressed with his shooting - his supposed strong suit. He's undersided; small arms; average athleticism. Decent starting 2's are the most easily replaced commodity on an NBA team, arguably. And, Reddick is a back-up. Yes, the trade is still raw. Nobody in their right mind would have traded Tobes for Redick without the rental status.

I got into a number of debates with regards to how good Redick is, how he performed in Orlando and how he did here. There are still somehow a lot of people who don't get that he's a really good player that was put in a really terrible situation.

LMAO.

Yep I said it! I will say it again. And if you think for one second that I care if you call me out for it....think again. I don't think he is a good defender. I don't think he has enough size and athleticism to start in this league and I don't like his league leading short arms.

You think he's great....good for you. I don't like him, but don't care one way or another now that he is gone from here. I would not want him back for 1/2 of what he makes.

I want to join in here for a moment.

JJ Redick is a very limited NBA player. That being said, in the right situation (like alongside the dynamic and irreplaceable Chris Paul in a screen heavy motion offense), he is a good fit. He is a good jump shooter off curls. He benefits from a penetration pg in a screen heavy offense. He is still a below average defender. He still can not create his own shot. He still is a weak rebounder. He can pop. He can shoot. He is smart.

Is there really anything more to say?

[worthlessBucks]

I don't think any user here would bet against our former players excelling when they're put in new, non-toxic environments. Clippers wanted a floor spacing 2 guard, Warriors desperately needed defense, Magic wanted another young player/pick who would have the freedom/time to develop while they rebuild, Cavs needed another scorer next to Lebron, etc.

[jtcooky]

Watching that game last night, it sure seemed like JJ was trying a lot harder than he ever did here.

[Wonka]

^Imagine that, someone playing harder for a larger market team with talent. I am still happy JJ is gone.

[worthlessBucks]

Watching that game last night, it sure seemed like JJ was trying a lot harder than he ever did here.

I wouldn't say he didn't try, but his mindset certainly had to have been different when he ended up here at the deadline instead of a place like San Antonio. I'd love to have seen Buford & Pop's reaction when they were told by Hennigan that they were beaten out of JJ's services by....Milwaukee. Probably was the same as ours, just not as passionate. 'Why the **** did they just do that?'

The mindset issue is relevant with that Dudley quote from a week or so ago.

"Yeah, I was probably on Twitter somewhere," Dudley said. "I was happy because you always want to have Steve to have a chance to win. [Los Angeles is] close to Phoenix, and if you're going to leave a franchise where you have that emotion, you want to go to a big-time franchise. If he had gone to the Knicks, I would have been happy. That's the thing for me, I don't want to s--- on a team, but I didn't want to go to Milwaukee. You want to go to a team that has history and prestige, and L.A. was a perfect fit. You were happy for him. There was no sadness."

[Wooderson]

"Yeah, I was probably on Twitter somewhere," Dudley said. "I was happy because you always want to have Steve to have a chance to win. [Los Angeles is] close to Phoenix, and if you're going to leave a franchise where you have that emotion, you want to go to a big-time franchise. If he had gone to the Knicks, I would have been happy. That's the thing for me, I don't want to s--- on a team, but I didn't want to go to Milwaukee. You want to go to a team that has history and prestige, and L.A. was a perfect fit. You were happy for him. There was no sadness."

History and prestige ---> Clippers....

He obviously only cares about LA's current squad along with the city itself, and rightfully so, but man that was dumb statement.

[worthlessBucks]

History and prestige ---> Clippers....

He obviously only cares about LA's current squad along with the city itself, and rightfully so, but man that was dumb statement.

No doubt, but that is the mindset of players in today's NBA regarding Milwaukee.