Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

Orlwillbeback · Post #901 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 12:26 am

Neon was really continuing past debates about moe, not necessarily commenting on what was said today.

Neon1 · Post #902 » by **Neon1** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 12:27 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:Neon was really continuing past debates about moe, not necessarily commenting on what was said today.

NickAnderson · Post #903 » by **NickAnderson** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 12:37 am

Ah my bad.

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KillMonger · Post #904 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 3:03 am

The book is still being written on Moe, he's like clay that's still being sculpted at this point. No real reason to put a ceiling on this kid other than fun speculation as i am also guilty of lol, just got to hope he continues to work hard on his game.

rcklsscognition · Post #905 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:48 am

I think there is a good reason to put a ceiling on him come February and this upcoming draft. You need to know what you've got. I think Henny and his stats crew will have a good handle on what Harkless projects to be by the trade deadline. You need to know these things when Team XYZ calls up and wants Moe in a trade.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #906 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 7:08 am

Viper1500 wrote:
SOUL wrote:What if...

We make the playoffs as a 6th or 7th or 8th seed.

But Knicks/Nuggets become so bad that they're both top 6 worst teams in the league.

The stealthiest of tanks.

That would be insane.. But if we're to make the playoffs, whether it be this year or in 3.. it better not be the 7th or 8th seed. I'd rather collect lottery picks than go against Miami or Indiana at the moment.

F that, beating Miami in the first round of the playoffs would be the greatest thing ever, and I would totally convince myself that we could do it :lol:

Post #907 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 1:04 pm

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
Viper1500 wrote:
SOUL wrote:What if...

We make the playoffs as a 6th or 7th or 8th seed.

But Knicks/Nuggets become so bad that they're both top 6 worst teams in the league.

The stealthiest of tanks.

That would be insane.. But if we're to make the playoffs, whether it be this year or in 3.. it better not be the 7th or 8th seed. I'd rather collect lottery picks than go against Miami or Indiana at the moment.

F that, beating Miami in the first round of the playoffs would be the greatest thing ever, and I would totally convince myself that we could do it

Love this!

Blue_and_Whte · Post #908 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 2:00 pm

Viper1500 wrote:
Bobby Ray wrote:How good could moe be? I think he'll probably be one of those fringe guys. Very good player but not great, in the conversation when all-star comes around but doesn't get voted in by fans or coaches. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that's still a solid piece on a good team. That being said wasn't Shane battier an all-star at one point?

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The Ariza comparisons before he was even drafted seem spot on.

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Magicalltheway · Post #909 » by **Magicalltheway** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 2:25 pm

LMAO, Dwight single handedly lost the game for the Rockets last night. Gotta love it.

Supreme · Post #910 » by **Supreme** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 2:59 pm

Magicalltheway wrote:LMAO, Dwight single handedly lost the game for the Rockets last night. Gotta love it.

And then proceeds to put Lin on blast :roll:

Blue_and_Whte · Post #911 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 3:10 pm

Neon1 wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:
Yeah but those guys are obviously wayy more talented then Moe. So whats your point? What I am saying is he has room to improve.

My point is, The reason he is not as talented, is simply because he is just not as talented....Not because he is only 20.

Well, good thing nobody said that.
Room to improve is what most logical people have said which seems make Tobias fans salty for some reason. No he'll probablly not be as good as the ALL STARS you mentioned.

Supreme · Post #912 » by **Supreme** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 3:39 pm

Supreme wrote:
Magicalltheway wrote:LMAO, Dwight single handedly lost the game for the Rockets last night. Gotta love it.

And then proceeds to put Lin on blast

...as did Harden apparently
https://twitter.com/YannisHW/status/398682119511097345

Blue_and_Whte · Post #913 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 4:08 pm

Moore shooting 50% avg 7.6 ppg. What a horrible player

Neon1 · Post #914 » by **Neon1** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 4:08 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Room to improve is what most logical people have said which seems make Tobias fans salty for some reason.

People get annoyed because you not being one of those logical people when it comes to the subject of Harkless. It's always statements basically saying it's not a big deal that he isn't skilled in so many areas because of his age like it means he has a magic pill to significantly upgrade his ability with each birthday.

The part that is so illogical is that you act like the other young guys (just as young as Moe, 10mo-1yr difference is nothing) are incapable of getting better as they also still have to learn the game too. It's always okay yeah, so Moe is not as good now....but he is going to comeback and develop W,X,Y,Z and then he will be the better player.

Okay, why would you say this like the same age/exp guys that are better now and show a work ethic that is either better or no worse then Moe's, are always at a standstill?

LiftedHigher33 · Post #915 » by **LiftedHigher33** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 4:28 pm

This team would be scary if we signed Demarcus Cousins or Andre Drummond in free agency. Imagine if we also drafted Exum and had a lineup like this:

Exum/Jameer
Oladipo/Afflalo
Harris/Harkless
Vucevic/Nicholson
(Drummond)/(Cousins)/ O'quin

Pnjguy · Post #916 » by **Pnjguy** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:03 pm

Bulls fan here. What are your intentions for Afflalo? Would a late 2014 pick be reasonable to get for him? Seems like he's lost in the shuffle there long term.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #917 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:09 pm

Neon1 wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Room to improve is what most logical people have said which seems make Tobias fans salty for some reason.

People get annoyed because you not being one of those logical people when it comes to the subject of Harkless. It's always statements basically saying it's not a big deal that he isn't skilled in so many areas because of his age like it means he has a magic pill to significantly upgrade his ability with each birthday.

The part that is so illogical is that you act like the other young guys (just as young as Moe, 10mo-1yr difference is nothing) are incapable of getting better as they also still have to learn the game too. It's always okay yeah, so Moe is not as good now....but he is going to comeback and develop W,X,Y,Z and then he will be the better player.

Okay, why would you say this like the same age/exp guys that are better now and show a work ethic that is either better or no worse then Moe's, are always at a standstill?

First of all stop with the hyperbolic bull****, lies. I never said that our other young players are incapable of getting better.

I said I could see Harkless improve as a 3PT shooter at around the 30+% range, as a ballhandler attacking the basket,and that his FT shooting had improved. There is nothing illogical about any of that that and it doesnt mean I think he's going to be the next **** Kobe

The best part is, that he has improved as a FT shooter, attacking the basket, and we've seen flashes of improvment scoring off the dribble. A player can improve in weak areas without having to be elite at that skill. Nobody expected Howard to be Ray Allen as a FT shooter but everyone used to say that if Dwight could just hit 65% of his FT's.....

I'm not talking about going from a role player to an All Star in a year. If I say he'll improve as a 3PT shooter you automatically think I mean he's JR Smith in the making. The only thing illogical around here is saying a player doesnt improve AT ALL if he doesnt immediately take the league by storm.

Your question at the end was worded horribly thus it goes unanswered.

thelead · Post #918 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:20 pm

Pnjguy wrote:Bulls fan here. What are your intentions for Afflalo? Would a late 2014 pick be reasonable to get for him? Seems like he's lost in the shuffle there long term.

It would probably take more than that. Our GM loves him. We were supposedly interested in dealing him for Bledsoe, so that should give you the range of what we would be looking to get.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #919 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:23 pm

thelead wrote:
Pnjguy wrote:Bulls fan here. What are your intentions for Afflalo? Would a late 2014 pick be reasonable to get for him? Seems like he's lost in the shuffle there long term.

It would probably take more than that. Our GM loves him. We were supposedly interested in dealing him for Bledsoe, so that should give you the range of what we would be looking to get.

Yeah, not sure why Henny loves the guy so much but it might take more. Could be a smokescreen though.

thelead · Post #920 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 8, 2013 5:25 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
thelead wrote:
Pnjguy wrote:Bulls fan here. What are your intentions for Afflalo? Would a late 2014 pick be reasonable to get for him? Seems like he's lost in the shuffle there long term.

It would probably take more than that. Our GM loves him. We were supposedly interested in dealing him for Bledsoe, so that should give you the range of what we would be looking to get.

Yeah, not sure why Henny loves the guy so much but it might take more. Could be a smokescreen though.

Butler and a 1st would probably do. Would the bulls accept though?