Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[DK-All Day]

Sacramento is looking a hell of a lot worse than us. I know it's premature, but if they are projecting bottom three at the deadline, do they consider flipping Cousins for a boatload of first rounders and some combination KO/Fav and salary. If we gave them the Nets pick as well as our own this year, they would have 3 picks in the best draft in years. If we have won around 35%-40% of our games at that point, we could scare a lot of teams in the playoffs and we would be dangerous next season. A Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Cousins lineup would be a lot of fun to watch.

That trade should be at the Draft.
If our pick is 6-10 then you consider it, if its top 5 then I would not do that.

[Pacino62]

Sacramento is looking a hell of a lot worse than us. I know it's premature, but if they are projecting bottom three at the deadline, do they consider flipping Cousins for a boatload of first rounders and some combination KO/Fav and salary. If we gave them the Nets pick as well as our own this year, they would have 3 picks in the best draft in years. If we have won around 35%-40% of our games at that point, we could scare a lot of teams in the playoffs and we would be dangerous next season. A Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Cousins lineup would be a lot of fun to watch.

That trade should be at the Draft.
If our pick is 6-10 then you consider it, if its top 5 then I would not do that.

I say at the deadline, because I don't think there is a shot we are top 5. 8-12 more likely. We just are t that bad of a team. Also, I think we will have a good enough record to sneak into the playoffs this year. Therefore, why wait until the offseason?

[DK-All Day]

Sacramento is looking a hell of a lot worse than us. I know it's premature, but if they are projecting bottom three at the deadline, do they consider flipping Cousins for a boatload of first rounders and some combination KO/Fav and salary. If we gave them the Nets pick as well as our own this year, they would have 3 picks in the best draft in years. If we have won around 35%-40% of our games at that point, we could scare a lot of teams in the playoffs and we would be dangerous next season. A Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Cousins lineup would be a lot of fun to watch.

That trade should be at the Draft.
If our pick is 6-10 then you consider it, if its top 5 then I would not do that.

I say at the deadline, because I don't think there is a shot we are top 5. 8-12 more likely. We just are t that bad of a team. Also, I think we will have a good enough record to sneak into the playoffs this year. Therefore, why wait until the offseason?

If we do this trade, we would be mediocre. I would rather keep our picks, trust Ainge to draft well with rookies who will be cheap and controlled for at least 7 years(RFA).

[Pacino62]

That trade should be at the Draft.
If our pick is 6-10 then you consider it, if its top 5 then I would not do that.

I say at the deadline, because I don't think there is a shot we are top 5. 8-12 more likely. We just are t that bad of a team. Also, I think we will have a good enough record to sneak into the playoffs this year. Therefore, why wait until the offseason?

If we do this trade, we would be mediocre. I would rather keep our picks, trust Ainge to draft well with rookies who will be cheap and controlled for at least 7 years(RFA).

Wow...I do not see that team as mediocre. I see that team as having a great starting 5 with solid depth and tons of draft picks over the next 3 years. I guess we just don't agree on the skill set of the players in that starting 5. As a side note...I do trust Ainge in the draft as I've said in multiple threads. We are on the same page there.

[DK-All Day]

I say at the deadline, because I don't think there is a shot we are top 5. 8-12 more likely. We just are t that bad of a team. Also, I think we will have a good enough record to sneak into the playoffs this year. Therefore, why wait until the offseason?

If we do this trade, we would be mediocre. I would rather keep our picks, trust Ainge to draft well with rookies who will be cheap and controlled for at least 7 years(RFA).

Wow...I do not see that team as mediocre. I see that team as having a great starting 5 with solid depth and tons of draft picks over the next 3 years. I guess we just don't agree on the skill set of the players in that starting 5. As a side note...I do trust Ainge in the draft as I've said in multiple threads. We are on the same page there.

Bad wording. I think that team will be good but not great, look at some of the the past champions in the last 6 years. Would that team compete with 2010 Lakers? No. Would that team compete with the 2013 Heat? No. Would that team compete with the 08 Celtics? Hell no. Cousins is a great player, but If he is POTENTIALLY your best player; don't expect titles.

[Pacino62]

If we do this trade, we would be mediocre. I would rather keep our picks, trust Ainge to draft well with rookies who will be cheap and controlled for at least 7 years(RFA).

Wow...I do not see that team as mediocre. I see that team as having a great starting 5 with solid depth and tons of draft picks over the next 3 years. I guess we just don't agree on the skill set of the players in that starting 5. As a side note...I do trust Ainge in the draft as I've said in multiple threads. We are on the same page there.

Bad wording. I think that team will be good but not great, look at some of the the past champions in the last 6 years. Would that team compete with 2010 Lakers? No. Would that team compete with the 2013 Heat? No. Would that team compete with the 08 Celtics? Hell no. Cousins is a great player, but If he is POTENTIALLY your best player; don't expect titles.

My concern is that we are a 35 win team as constructed and where we are drafting, we probably won't get the next superstar. Regardless of how good Danny does.

I don't know Cousins ceiling at this point. It's too early. Additionally, he's never been surrounded by players like Rondo, Green and Wallace nor has he played for a historic franchise like the Celtics. Therefore, I cannot answer if we could compete with the 2010 Lakers or the 2013 Heat. There best players would be superior to our best, but we would certainly have more depth than those teams. As for the 08 Celtics...no way we would be able to compete with them

[brackdan70]

Cousins was recently extended. i am not sure when he becomes trade eligible?

[sully00]

I know people love Cousins talent but his mental make up still sucks.

I think if this team is moving forward then you are looking for a guy who is going to fit on offense and get it done on the defensive end.

If you could swing Asik for a Hump and the Nets pick (assuming the Nets turn it around) in a 3 way deal that gets Houston a wing scorer or a stretch PF this thing starts to look more and more like team that compliments Rondo, defends, and has a shot at being some fun.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I like Cousins but he's a guy you buy low on.. Also, if SAC sucks with him they don't need to trade him to tank. I don't know why that team is so bad, it would be interesting to hear some advanced scouting. Their ideal summer is probably to draft Randle and sign Deng..


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[Pacino62]

I like Cousins but he's a guy you buy low on.. Also, if SAC sucks with him they don't need to trade him to tank. I don't know why that team is so bad, it would be interesting to hear some advanced scouting. Their ideal summer is probably to draft Randle and sign Deng..


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I agree on the buy low. If you see my idea it was our pick (I think around 10), the nets pick (18-22),KO and salary filler. I would do that in a heartbeat. To get Cousins and be able to keep Rondo, Bradley, Green and Sully would be fantastic. Now, maybe Sacramento laughs and hangs up the phone. However, I don't think we are selling the farm in this scenario. Who knows. My larger point is that I love the core rotation of players on this team and think we have enough assets to bring in a third star (yes...I think rondo and Green are stars) without giving up a ton of our current base.

[Turtle]

Maybe a guy like Monroe could be had with those picks and CLee for salary instead of Cousins. They have Drummond and Smith and didnt extend Monroe when he had the chance. We could also try and use Humphries expiring and maybe some protected pick to grab Eric Gordon if they are not keen on paying an injury prone player who has expressed frustration with the organization.
Rondo/Pressey
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Brooks/Bogans
Green/Wallace
Olynyk/Sullinger/Bass
Monroe/Faverani

[TheRev72]

I just don't see Ainge going small here, looking for upgrades around the edges (guys like Monroe, etc.). Rather, I think Ainge has his sights set on another mega-move like 2007 - going all in to get a first-tier player (like a Kevin Love) and then trying to snag a third player - borderline star - to go with that player and Rondo (sign and trade for a player like G. Hayward, etc.).

So, as much as I like a lot of the guys on the team now (Bradley, Sully, and Olynyk especially) I'm trying not to get too attached to them because, just like 2007, I'll bet pretty much the whole roster is available right now except for Rondo (who is the new Pierce in such a scenario). Ainge will look to add the "new" KG and Ray Allen to the team. I just hope he has the assets to pull it off again. (If only McHale was still running the T-Wolves...).

[24istheLAW]

I don't see why we would trade for Greg Monroe. We already have offensively skilled bigs (Sullinger, Olynyk) who are 50% the player for 10% the cost.

[gocelts]

I just don't see Ainge going small here, looking for upgrades around the edges (guys like Monroe, etc.). Rather, I think Ainge has his sights set on another mega-move like 2007 - going all in to get a first-tier player (like a Kevin Love) and then trying to snag a third player - borderline star - to go with that player and Rondo (sign and trade for a player like G. Hayward, etc.).

So, as much as I like a lot of the guys on the team now (Bradley, Sully, and Olynyk especially) I'm trying not to get too attached to them because, just like 2007, I'll bet pretty much the whole roster is available right now except for Rondo (who is the new Pierce in such a scenario). Ainge will look to add the "new" KG and Ray Allen to the team. I just hope he has the assets to pull it off again. (If only McHale was still running the T-Wolves...).

I agree...Ainge went all in on a re-build trading away Pierce, he's not going eeek back into this with moves to slightly upgrade the roster for the short term. He knows we need a superstar, so he's going to save his best assets until he has enough to get one.

If Ainge we concerned about rounding out this roster...he would have done SOMETHING to get us a servicable pointguard.

[24istheLAW]

I agree...Ainge went all in on a re-build trading away Pierce, he's not going eeek back into this with moves to slightly upgrade the roster for the short term. He knows we need a superstar, so he's going to save his best assets until he has enough to get one.

If Ainge we concerned about rounding out this roster...he would have done SOMETHING to get us a servicable pointguard.

Does Ainge care about making the playoffs? Probably not. But "slight upgrades" are important to making a big splash.

To get a Championship caliber first banana (look at all the teams that have won NBA titles and you see what kind of player that is), you either need to hope you luck into one in the draft, or attract one in FA.

Boston is not an ideal FA destination. Stupid taxes, cold weather, sleepy nightlife. So what is your sell?

Its got to be cap space to bring other top players. A coach who is a pleasure to play for. Talent in place to make your life easier. Stuff like that. Like how KG was convinced to join the Celtics because Ray Allen was going to be joining him.

When the opportunity to get a first banana comes, how are you gonna sell them on playing alongside Brandon Bass, Gerald Wallace, and Courtney Lee?

Like many things in life, the little moves make the big ones possible.

[24istheLAW]

On another note - any interest in Iman Shumpert? The wiretap says the Knicks are gonna sell low.

I'd love to take Amare off their hands, get Shumpert as a sweetener, and send them some role players to fuel their desperation for a championship.

Amare and Shumpert for Humphries, Bass, Lee

[gocelts]

I agree...Ainge went all in on a re-build trading away Pierce, he's not going eeek back into this with moves to slightly upgrade the roster for the short term. He knows we need a superstar, so he's going to save his best assets until he has enough to get one.

If Ainge we concerned about rounding out this roster...he would have done SOMETHING to get us a servicable pointguard.

Does Ainge care about making the playoffs? Probably not. But "slight upgrades" are important to making a big splash.

To get a Championship caliber first banana (look at all the teams that have won NBA titles and you see what kind of player that is), you either need to hope you luck into one in the draft, or attract one in FA.

Boston is not an ideal FA destination. Stupid taxes, cold weather, sleepy nightlife. So what is your sell?

Its got to be cap space to bring other top players. A coach who is a pleasure to play for. Talent in place to make your life easier. Stuff like that. Like how KG was convinced to join the Celtics because Ray Allen was going to be joining him.

When the opportunity to get a first banana comes, how are you gonna sell them on playing alongside Brandon Bass, Gerald Wallace, and Courtney Lee?

Like many things in life, the little moves make the big ones possible.

Why wouldnt the selling points be Rondo, Green, and Stevens ?

[24istheLAW]

Why wouldnt the selling points be Rondo, Green, and Stevens ?

Rondo has plenty of redeeming qualities. It is obvious at this point that charm is not one of them. Green? Way too early for that. Same thing with Stevens. We don't know if either of those guys will achieve "selling point" status. Unfair to compare Jeff Green to the best shooter in modern NBA history.

[ddb]

not sure why people are talking about Iman Shumpert on this board. The Celtics already have Bradley/Lee/Crawford/Brooks as 2 guards and a rotation that has Bradley/Crawford/Lee/Pressey/Wallace/Green taking up minutes at the 1/2/3 and that's before we factor Rondo into the mix. Plus, Ainge + Stevens like Gordon Hayward. not a big secret. maybe something gets done with Hayward during the season or in the offseason.... And who knows about the draft. Basically, what I'm saying is that Iman Shumpert is not the answer. Ainge would be spinning his wheels to get involved.

1 team that LOVES Shump......Phoenix. If NY is open to a deal, Phoenix is a team that you can bet is heavily involved in that process.

I could see some sort of deal involving Dragic for Shump going down. Other pieces involved of course.

Phoenix would love Bledsoe/Shump/Goodwin/Morris twins/Len/ multiple picks type of young core.

[24istheLAW]

Minnesota receives:
2014 1st round lottery pick (Boston)
PF Jared Sullinger
PF Kris Humphries ($12 mil expiring)

Boston receives:
PF Kevin Love

How plausible is this scenario? Would you pull the trigger? The thought of Rondo and Love playing together intrigues me tremendously.