Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[BleedGreen1989]

Minnesota receives:
2014 1st round lottery pick (Boston)
PF Jared Sullinger
PF Kris Humphries ($12 mil expiring)

Boston receives:
PF Kevin Love

How plausible is this scenario? Would you pull the trigger? The thought of Rondo and Love playing together intrigues me tremendously.

Not very plausible unless Boston's pick is top 3-5. Even then, it's not a slam dunk and I doubt Danny would do it anyways.

I'm willing to bet Love is pretty close to untouchable this season. Minn is finally healthy and has a good squad. I'm sure they'd like to see what this core can do together.

[BleedGreen1989]

Minnesota receives:
2014 1st round lottery pick (Boston)
PF Jared Sullinger
PF Kris Humphries ($12 mil expiring)

Boston receives:
PF Kevin Love

How plausible is this scenario? Would you pull the trigger? The thought of Rondo and Love playing together intrigues me tremendously.

Not very plausible unless Boston's pick is top 3-5. Even then, it's not a slam dunk and I doubt Danny would do it anyways.

I'm willing to bet Love is pretty close to untouchable this season. Minn is finally healthy and has a good squad. I'm sure they'd like to see what this core can do together.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah I think MIN can win 50, they're unlikely to bail on Love now. Supposedly they turned down a huge offer from CLE at the draft..


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[TheRev72]

Minnesota receives:
2014 1st round lottery pick (Boston)
PF Jared Sullinger
PF Kris Humphries ($12 mil expiring)

Boston receives:
PF Kevin Love

How plausible is this scenario? Would you pull the trigger? The thought of Rondo and Love playing together intrigues me tremendously.

If you were Minny would you do that? Probably not. Not only is that team clicking this year, they could likely get significantly more for Love from other teams. To work a trade, I think: (1) Love would have to "demand" a trade by letting it be known he's not resigning; (2) the Celtics youngsters - Bradley, Sully, Olynyk, etc. - would have to make serious strides this season (like could-be-potential-star strides); and (3) Ainge would have to offer multiple first round picks and multiple young players along with an expiring like Hump. Remember the number of players traded for KG? It would have to be a similar deal and even then I'm not sure Minny would deal another star Kevin to the Celtics for what amounts to a rebuild for them (when they seem to be right on the cusp of something special).

[Pogue Mahone]

Boston
Trades Crawford, Brooks and Lee

Sacramento
Trades Salmons and Thomas

Skinny:

Boston sells high on Crawford and Lee. They shave a year of contract off of Lee. Thomas is a better PG than Irving at this point and it is quite apparent that the Kings don't even realize it. He could be a great third-guard to play with Rondo and Bradley because of his ability to both spot-up and to play the pick-and-roll/pick-and-pop game. He is an excellent possession eater, as well.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Thomas is a great bench scorer, I don't see SAC doing that deal unless they want to dictate a rotation from above (more minutes for Vasquez, Mclemore)


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[brackdan70]

is Philly willing or wanting to part with Turner?
Bradly, Hump and our most favorable 2015?
I'd do it.

[hands11]

I just don't see Ainge going small here, looking for upgrades around the edges (guys like Monroe, etc.). Rather, I think Ainge has his sights set on another mega-move like 2007 - going all in to get a first-tier player (like a Kevin Love) and then trying to snag a third player - borderline star - to go with that player and Rondo (sign and trade for a player like G. Hayward, etc.).

So, as much as I like a lot of the guys on the team now (Bradley, Sully, and Olynyk especially) I'm trying not to get too attached to them because, just like 2007, I'll bet pretty much the whole roster is available right now except for Rondo (who is the new Pierce in such a scenario). Ainge will look to add the "new" KG and Ray Allen to the team. I just hope he has the assets to pull it off again. (If only McHale was still running the T-Wolves...).

With the new CBA coming into effect more and more as the years roll on, that is going to be harder and harder to do. That was the point of it. The old LA model. The Celtics RA, PP, KG. What Miami did. Thats going to be harder to do now and moving forward. Teams are going to need to do it all well. Draft, FA, vet minimums, trade, etc.

But in general I would agree. The team is in accumulate assets mode. This team does remind me some of pre RA, PP, KG expect there is no shoot jacking overpaid SF on it.

[ddb]

there's 1 big difference between the pre KG/RA team and the current team... Brad Stevens can coach. He's a quick learner as far as which players belong where. Doc took forever. It took injuries for guys like Big Al and Rondo to get run. Doc was playing Telfair and Scal if you recall. Ryan Gomes was getting heavy minutes.
Brad is playing the right rotations early in the season. He saw an 0-4 start and said, "o, f this". He's a winning coach. I'm impressed.

Doc would've had KO coming off the bench all season. Took Stevens 6 games to figure it out. Took Stevens 4 games to shift Bradley back to the 2. He just gets it. Took him 4 games to turn Wallace into the 6th man. etc, etc

[24istheLAW]

You know has zero value right now, and I think Stevens would turn into a useful player? Jan Vesely.

[jmr07019]

Doc would have been the percent coach to tank with hahahah.

Also Bradley > Turner.

[Murta]

You know has zero value right now, and I think Stevens would turn into a useful player? Jan Vesely.

I've seen him live many times and have to say he could be useful player in a system. He's just a guy who needs good coaching. His pick and roll D can be exceptional, really top notch, and he's a good finisher after cuts.

But his shooting is terrible. I'm not sure if he is any better than DH12. That's how bad he is.

My prediction for him was that he would suck in Washington and then get a minimal-salary contract in San Antonio where he would be energy guy off the bench.

But I just don't see how we could get him. WIZ would probably take Brooks, but the salaries don't match.
Maybe Gerald Wallace for Ariza (expiring) and Vesely. Two birds with one stone.

[sully00]

Can Vesely block shots?

I like the idea of Turner. He has Arn Tellum as an agent and the belief is he is kind of out of his mind on what kind of salary Turner should get and of course he is actually playing up to that now. Turner feels like the new ownership and front office want a different face to the team than him.

[Murta]

He can't do that Serge Ibaka shot blocking, but can change shots.

But, at best, he's just a pickup who's value will be increased and then he will be traded for a late first rounder. Not a long term option in any way, because he can only be a 7th or 8th player on a contender. A very useful player, but nothing special.

His skillset is made for European basketball with smaller court, running through screens, cutting...

[sully00]

I know this is a player we have discussed at length before and he is dumb as a stump and makes way too much money. But if you could get him on the cheap assets wise JaVale McGee really fills this team's need for a shot blocker/rebounder. He is out with an injury now but he is struggling in DEN and specifically one of his issues is that he has asthma and is having trouble with the altitude. I wouldn't give up a lot for him but he would fit in the Hump swap category.

[FlatearthZorro]

Talking trades- great that Bass/Lee and Crawford have build up their value again. I really think Doc didn't give enough touches to Bass and enough touches/minutes/chance to create to Lee. Lee has been 1 of the better backup SGs in the league so far, imo.

[hands11]

You know has zero value right now, and I think Stevens would turn into a useful player? Jan Vesely.

So you want to pick another one from the Wizards do you.

Getting a little greedy now aren't we ?

But I agree. Ves could be used effective with the right players around him. He actually does a few things well.

- He sets picks
- He rolls
- He is quick with the outlet pass
- He moves well
- He rebounded really well in summer Euro ball and Wizards preseason. Lead both teams.
- He can pick and roll and go for dunks and other stuff around the basic
- AirWolve .. he can dunk
- He is long, young and can run
- Decent defender. Specially against P n R
- Can block a few shots
- He can get fired up. Hasn't done it much here, but overseas he does. Was a fan favorite over there.

The bad
- Terrible FT shooting form. He starts bent over. Need to learn from how Dirk does it. Not copy KG
- Confidence in an outside shot. I think he can do it but he doesn't much and does believe in his shot.
- Needs more Sully base bump knowledge. He can get bumped around. Doesn't use his butt.

[Slartibartfast]

I know this is a player we have discussed at length before and he is dumb as a stump and makes way too much money. But if you could get him on the cheap assets wise JaVale McGee really fills this team's need for a shot blocker/rebounder. He is out with an injury now but he is struggling in DEN and specifically one of his issues is that he has asthma and is having trouble with the altitude. I wouldn't give up a lot for him but he would fit in the Hump swap category.

McGee and Wallace combining for $22 mil per for two more years after this one is a lot to bear. We’re getting into Wally + Raef territory there.

And I think Faverani gives you a lot of what McGee does – intriguing flashes of skill and athleticism intermixed with ineffectiveness and buffoonery. The peaks and valleys are lower with Fav, but so is his salary.

Maybe Wallace, Bogans, Faverani and the 2014 Nets/Hawks pick for McGee and Chandler? Chandler’s a bit of a walking injury, but he’s an upgrade on Wallace when healthy.

[BleedGreen1989]

is Philly willing or wanting to part with Turner?
Bradly, Hump and our most favorable 2015?
I'd do it.

Turrble.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Derrick Williams is available. He would look good in green. Number 2 pick just two years ago, I wonder what Minny is looking to get for him.

Edit* Lurking through the Minny board found some guy offering

Williams, Shved, & Cunningham for Brandon Bass & Courtney Lee.

I don't know much about Shved but he's a 6'7 point guard which I think would look quite peachy on our roster. The key here would be getting out of Lee's third year and trading a sg for a pg. Losing Bass would help us lose a couple more games, but would clear space for Sullinger. I have no clue if Minny does this, but it would be a great trade for Boston IMO.

Rondo/Shved/Pressey
Bradley/Crawford/Bogans
Green/Wallace/Brooks
Sullinger/Williams/Cunningham
Olynyk/Faverani