Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[goinrogue]

Rudy can't be traded without including a sweetner. Rudy + Val isn't going to happen unless the offer is spectacular. the best bet is Rudy + Demar. What?! They can't play together? Here's the thing, though. There are a handful of teams underperforming who have no draft pick and need to improve. One of the few highlights in this otherwise forgettable season has been the play of DD, who has opened eyes. Teams with no picks in 2014 and a win-now attitude may see DD as someone who can lift them to the next level. So what do we do? Simple: You want Derozan, you're going to have take Rudy with him!

I hear you from here - you're crazy, no team is going to want Rudy. However, keep in mind, Rudy's new team is not obligated to play him - they can bench him all season if they want, or bring him off of the bench and ensure he never sees the floor at the same time as Demar. Rudy loves the spotlight so much, his new team will hope the reduced role will make him want to opt out and test the waters of free agency. All of this is precluded on the idea that a team thinks that getting DD is worth taking on the Rudy risk. Also keep in mind that nobody in the NBa thinks Casey can coach, so there are going to be teams that think they can make Rudy/Demar work either by not playing them together or simply benching Rudy if that means getting Demar.

What teams are that desperate? First of all, the pistons are a great bet. It's likely they will think a starting line-up of Drumond, Smith, Derozan and Jennings will take them to the next step. I can totally see them biting on a package around DD/Rudy for Munroe and filler if it means getting DD. Plus, DD and Jennings are bff's. Meanwhile, the Raps also benefit. The tank starts instantly, and with Rudy and Demar gone, JV becomes the first option offensively which would be huge for his development. Munroe would be a great piece moving forward in a re-build (TH and Amir can battle it out for first big off the bench.) Plus, the raps get rid of Rudy and put themselves in a great position for a top 5 pick in a draft so good, it's worth trading DD for.

[Lord_Zedd]

LOL I highly doubt Detroit does this, but done deal on my end.

Why does Detroit do this? This deal is beyond lop-sided in our favor.

I think DeRozan for Monroe in principal is a good idea but it would have to end up something like DeRozan + Amir for Monroe + Stuckey/CV. And even then they still might not be interested since they drafted KCP to be their SG of the future.

Wiz fan here. I posted this on the Pistons board and wanted your input. I think this gives you salary relief, helps your tank, and gives you a young top 10 pick from this last draft.

Wiz fan here. Not even close on Martell. He is the perfect backup wing for the Wiz and a team leader.
With that said, I think your team identity is quickly defensive minded with steals, transition points, and forcing trunovers. Getting a player with these traits while also spreading the floor seems like a Trevor Ariza to a "T". I am trying to draw together a 3 way to get you Ariza while sending out CV plus incentive.

Something like:

WAS In: A. Johnson (2/6.5M), S. Novak (3/3.7M)
WAS Out: Ariza (1/7.7), T. Booker (1/2.4M)

Det In: Ariza (1/7.7), T. Booker (1/2.4M)
Det Out: CV (1/8.6M), KCP (4/2.7M)

Tor In: CV (1/8.6M), KCP (4/2.7M)
Tor Out: A. Johnson (2/6.5M), S. Novak (3/3.7M)

Washington takes on salary for front court depth and 3pt shooter
Detroit becomes even longer and more athletic while getting a lunch pale PF (Booker) and 3 & D SF (ariza)
Toronto cuts salary and helps the tank while getting a top ten pick from this past draft to build with.

Thoughts on this framework?

Where do the Raptors sign for this?

I do think Detroit is getting the short end of the deal though. Basically giving up a lottery pick for rentals who may not even re-sign. Also for WSH, Assuming Martell Webster starts at SF after this deal?

[RonaldArtest]

Gay + Ross
for
Pierce + Plumlee

Then flip PP to Indy for Granger + Hill

Lowry + Johnson
for
Barea + Mbah a Moute + Mohammed + Dieng


Valunciunas/Dieng/Gray
Plumlee/Hansborough/Acy
Hill/Mbah a Moute/Fields
DeRozan/Muhammed/Stone
Barea/Augustine/Bykes

Good tanking team with some added young players (4 recent first round picks)

Anyone with thoughts on this? Close to fair value all around?

[goinrogue]

Gay + Ross
for
Pierce + Plumlee

Then flip PP to Indy for Granger + Hill

Lowry + Johnson
for
Barea + Mbah a Moute + Mohammed + Dieng


Valunciunas/Dieng/Gray
Plumlee/Hansborough/Acy
Hill/Mbah a Moute/Fields
DeRozan/Muhammed/Stone
Barea/Augustine/Bykes

Good tanking team with some added young players (4 recent first round picks)

Anyone with thoughts on this? Close to fair value all around?

Not sure Indy would do this.

[DJ_RnC]

Should a fire sale of this team happen (hopefully it does), it's been well documented that JV is the only untouchable asset on this team, and for good reason as well.

However, if there's a deal present where a team is willing to take on the contracts of Rudy Gay and Landry Fields, but the catch is that JV has to be part of the package, do you do it? Let's assume the deal consists of expiring contracts and a future 1st round draft pick.

[VintageVince]

If the deal is right, why wouldn't you deal any player?

[VanDamme]

If the deal is right, why wouldn't you deal any player?

/thread

[Saul Goodman]

Maybe the Cavs get desperate?


Andrew Bynum
Anthony Bennett

for

Rudy Gay

[silverhill27]

To Ind: Kyle Lowry

To Tor: Solomon Hill, Chris Copeland, C.J. Watson, lotto-protected 2016 1st pick

[SkywalkerAC]

Demar and Lowry

for

Boozer + Bobcats pick + Bulls pick

No one liked this one?

[Ell Curry]

I don't think there's an obvious FA for us to go after summer, unless we think we can max out Bledsoe or Monroe and get a talented player while only giving up the extra 2-3 mil they'll get versus what they're likely worth. So, I wouldn't mind us getting back some contracts that suck next year instead of expirings, if they come with better picks/young talent. Also, if we target 2015, we don't have to worry about shedding Fields' deal, just Novak's, and I could see a team desperate for shooting being willing to take Novak, since 3s are so big now and Novak's synergy numbers not being so horrific might mean the kind of analytics team that loves 3's might be in.

Detroit has the big expirings this year, and I wonder if we could get Caldwell-Pope and their 1st with Villanueva and Stuckey for Derozan, Lowry and Amir Johnson, if Dumars is desperate enough. Then they could trade Monroe for a good wing to a team that wants to re-sign Monroe, like the Warriors for Barnes or the Magic for Afflalo. Let's say they did the latter, they could maybe be the 3rd best team in the East with a rotation of:

Drummond/Amir
Josh Smith/Amir
Afflalo/Singler/Datome
Derozan/Lowry
Lowry/Jennings

It's too bad the Knicks don't have their pick, or Amare would be perfect. I also think OKC trading Perkins and a 1st for Amir and 2015 2nd makes some sense. Maybe the Kings would give us Salmons, Thornton and a 2015 1st for Gay.

[Ell Curry]

Demar and Lowry

for

Boozer + Bobcats pick + Bulls pick

No one liked this one?

The Bulls won't do that.

[silverhill27]

Two trades to build towards planning for 2015-2016 season.

To Ind: Kyle Lowry

To Tor: Solomon Hill, Chris Copeland, C.J. Watson, lotto-protected 2016 1st pick

------------

To Bobcats: Steve Novak

To Raptors: Jeffery Taylor, Brendan Haywood, 2014 2nd round pick

[SkywalkerAC]

Demar and Lowry

for

Boozer + Bobcats pick + Bulls pick

No one liked this one?

The Bulls won't do that.

No? That's a lot of value for Boozer, who has another overpaid season after this, and two (likely) non-lotto picks. Saves them a lot of money and enables them to retain Deng.

[sweetcity]

DeRozan + Amir Johnson for Jeremy Lamb, Kendrick Perkins + Perry Jones + Filler

nice tank move and a potential star in Lamb to pair with JV

[Ell Curry]

Maybe the Cavs get desperate?


Andrew Bynum
Anthony Bennett

for

Rudy Gay

The Bennett thing is interesting, although it's hard to see the Cavs taking on Gay unless they're sure Lebron won't sign. Maybe Derozan and Ross for Bennett and Clark would happen. The Cavs would still have the money to offer Lebron the max and have Irving, Jack, Derozan, Ross, Tristan Thompson and the center they need to trade Waiters for to even have a shot at convincing Lebron, though I suspect he'd still think that frontcourt was too weak for it to work. Also, I bet he hates Derozan now that's he an efficiency nerd.

Bennett could play himself into shape and get valuable experience while helping us tank, and of course he's Canadian. He also make sense as a 4 next to Jonas long term. If we could do that, we could trade Gay for Amare and the Knicks getting rid of the lotto protection on the pick they owe us for Bargnani, and go into the summer of 2015 with:

Jonas
Bennett
Raps 2014 - Wiggins/Parker/Exum/Smart
Raptors 2015 pick
and let's add a late 1st for Lowry and Amir, since I think Ujiri is clever enough to find a 3 team deal where we get a 1st and contracts that expire this summer or the next, one team gets Amir and the other gets Lowry

and by my count, about 30-35 million in cap space (including the 6 cap holds you have to include) depending
on where we pick and how high the cap ends up being. That's enough to overpay some perimeter starter to go with our star perimeter player from this tank and the 3 firsts we can hopefully turn into our 3rd perimeter starter and a good, young 6th man. So, something like this, with some names I like plugged in:

Jonas
Bennett AND 2015PF, Late1st
Wiggins or Parker
2015 SG, Raps pick
Rondo or Lin

and still about 12-15 million left to use with the Knicks 2016 pick or our own to go get another piece for the rotation.

*Raps top 5 2014 pick
**2015 FA
***Raps top 10 2015 pick
****Late 1st for Amir + Lowry

[SkywalkerAC]

No one liked this one?

The Bulls won't do that.

No? That's a lot of value for Boozer, who has another overpaid season after this, and two (likely) non-lotto picks. Saves them a lot of money and enables them to retain Deng.

No response? It looks pretty fair to me.

[Landomar]

I could see Chicago sending us Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Lowry and Amir. That would save them money, help them keep Deng, and improve their team this season as well. If we could get them to eat Novak as well, while sending us back a smaller contract (say, Marquis Teague), I'd like the trade a bit better. That's a pretty high price for us to pay though, as our cap would look pretty ugly with Gay, Boozer, and Fields clogging up $42.5 million. The good news is, they'd all be expiring, our tank would gain fuel, and that Bobcats pick is liquid gold.

[Gold Dragon]

The 2014 draft is heavy on PFs and PGs at the top. I would be trying to find pieces that complement those two positions while clearing contracts, focusing on defense, 3pt shooting and ball movement. Masai is all about accumulating assets so I don't see him dumping guys like DD, Ross, Val and Amir unless there is a really big return.

All trades work salary wise

Trade 1
TOR gets: Mike Dunleavy + Tony Snell + Mike James + Nazr Mohammad
CHI gets: Lowry + Daye + Buycks + OKC 2014 2nd

Trade 2
TOR gets: Omer Asik + Ronnie Brewer
HOU gets: Dunleavy + Novak + Gray

Trade 3
TOR gets: Ben Gordon + Ramon Sessions + POR 2014 1st
CHA gets: Gay + Augustin

James and Brewer are unguaranteed and can be waived

Asik/Val/Mohammad
Amir/Hansbrough/Acy
DeRozan/Snell
Fields/Ross/Gordon
Sessions/Stone

This is a great tanking team
Trade Val at the draft for another top 7 pick
Draft two of Wiggins/Parker/Randle/Embiid/Smart/Exum/Gordon

Asik
Amir/Hansbrough/Acy
Wiggins/Fields/Snell
DeRozan/Ross
Exum/Stone

With both Exum and Wiggins being quite raw, will likely get another high pick in 2015 with lots of cap space and a big free agent year.

[rapsanity]

Rudy Gay is literally untradeable.

Don't see any teams agreeing to take him on.

Cavs are unlikely just because they are still banking on getting LBJ in the off-season

The only team I 'might' see taking a shot at Gay are the Mavs. But this too is unlikely.
They might be willing to give up Marion's expiring and fillers for him