Fake Trade Thread III

[Elden Payton]

Careful LP, you wouldn't want to be labelled a hater by saying something as crazy as Curry>Kemba.

When did I call you a hater, specifically? Feel free to use my words against me, but don't create them.

Curry is better than Kemba. Curry was not better than Kemba a few nights ago. Whose team won? Who carried his team to that win?

Again, if MKG had half that performance, you guys would be stuffing the ballot box. I simply don't understand it. I disagree with it but respect it, and yet I don't understand the different standards applied to different players.

You keep claiming that half this board looks stupid and to keep on hating?

I find it offensive to our board members.

You're just throwing generalisations out, for whatever reason I don't know.

For the record there is this thing called team defense, it won us that game against the GSW.

[Robot Rock]

Careful LP, you wouldn't want to be labelled a hater by saying something as crazy as Curry>Kemba.

When did I call you a hater, specifically? Feel free to use my words against me, but don't create them.

Curry is better than Kemba. Curry was not better than Kemba a few nights ago. Whose team won? Who carried his team to that win?

Again, if MKG had half that performance, you guys would be stuffing the ballot box. I simply don't understand it. I disagree with it but respect it, and yet I don't understand the different standards applied to different players.

You keep claiming that half this board looks stupid and to keep on hating?

I find it offensive to our board members.

You're just throwing generalisations out, for whatever reason I don't know.

For the record there is this thing called team defense, it won us that game against the GSW.

Agree to disagree on all accounts.

[Liver_Pooty]

For the record I get down on all of our players. If MKG commits three fouls in 2 minutes it pisses me off, and I'll vent about it. Kemba was supposed to break out this year, and he still can. But having one good game every four with three average to bad games in between won't cut it.

Never a good idea to call people stupid over voicing their opinions.

[JDR720]

[Liver_Pooty]

Catch and Sik mentioned Biyombo playing over Jefferson in the closing minutes of games. Do I find that crazy? Yeah, because of Biyombos FT shooting. Do I call them "stupid"?. Um no.

Rant over. Hopefully Walker drops 50 next game.

[Eoghan]

MKG and Biz get a lot of slack b/c they're young as hell projects drafted on potential. Zeller's a rook, so that gets him some leeway. Kemba's a 3-yr college player and was Cho's most NBA ready draft pick, in addition to being the team's clear leader. That's why people might be more apt to criticize Kemba over some other guys but he's still by far and away one of the more beloved players on the roster. Guys like Sessions and JT can throw up one brick and everybody is ready to trade those mofos.

[Liver_Pooty]

MKG and Biz get a lot of slack b/c they're young as hell projects drafted on potential. Zeller's a rook, so that gets him some leeway. Kemba's a 3-yr college player and was Cho's most NBA ready draft pick, in addition to being the team's clear leader. That's why people might be more apt to criticize Kemba over some other guys but he's still by far and away one of the more beloved players on the roster. Guys like Sessions and JT can throw up one brick and everybody is ready to trade those mofos.

Yep. Basically

[JDR720]

MKG and Biz get a lot of slack b/c they're young as hell projects drafted on potential. Zeller's a rook, so that gets him some leeway. Kemba's a 3-yr college player and was Cho's most NBA ready draft pick, in addition to being the team's clear leader. That's why people might be more apt to criticize Kemba over some other guys but he's still by far and away one of the more beloved players on the roster. Guys like Sessions and JT can throw up one brick and everybody is ready to trade those mofos.

heck Sess and JT can play great and we'll want to trade them while their value is high lol

[JDuaneWayne]

MKG and Biz get a lot of slack b/c they're young as hell projects drafted on potential. Zeller's a rook, so that gets him some leeway. Kemba's a 3-yr college player and was Cho's most NBA ready draft pick, in addition to being the team's clear leader. That's why people might be more apt to criticize Kemba over some other guys but he's still by far and away one of the more beloved players on the roster. Guys like Sessions and JT can throw up one brick and everybody is ready to trade those mofos.

heck Sess and JT can play great and we'll want to trade them while their value is high lol

This absolutely made my day

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[catch20two]

I feel you Robot Rock. Kemba does get some unfair treatment around here but with great expectations comes great responsibility and vice versa. I'm learning to expect and accept it for what it is. Sometimes they act as if Kemba is a 27 year old vet at the peak of his prime the way they act like he can't improve upon his mistakes. MKG is my favorite Bobcats player and even I can admit that he doesn't get near the criticism unless it's specifically about his shooting form. You don't see people on the board saying trade MKG for Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, or even Harrison Barnes the same way you read people proposing trades of Kemba for players like Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas, and Iman Shumpert of all people. It is what it is. Just know that you got somebody that see things almost like you in me.

[Liver_Pooty]

I feel you Robot Rock. Kemba does get some unfair treatment around here but with great expectations comes great responsibility and vice versa. I'm learning to expect and accept it for what it is. Sometimes they act as if Kemba is a 27 year old vet at the peak of his prime the way they act like he can't improve upon his mistakes. MKG is my favorite Bobcats player and even I can admit that he doesn't get near the criticism unless it's specifically about his shooting form. You don't see people on the board saying trade MKG for Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, or even Harrison Barnes the same way you read people proposing trades of Kemba for players like Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas, and Iman Shumpert of all people. It is what it is. Just know that you got somebody that see things almost like you in me.

I was kidding about Dragic. Isaiah Thomas on the other hand.. Kings would hang up.

[catch20two]

I feel you Robot Rock. Kemba does get some unfair treatment around here but with great expectations comes great responsibility and vice versa. I'm learning to expect and accept it for what it is. Sometimes they act as if Kemba is a 27 year old vet at the peak of his prime the way they act like he can't improve upon his mistakes. MKG is my favorite Bobcats player and even I can admit that he doesn't get near the criticism unless it's specifically about his shooting form. You don't see people on the board saying trade MKG for Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, or even Harrison Barnes the same way you read people proposing trades of Kemba for players like Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas, and Iman Shumpert of all people. It is what it is. Just know that you got somebody that see things almost like you in me.

I was kidding about Dragic. Isaiah Thomas on the other hand.. Kings would hang up.

But we're better than the Kings for a reason. Because Kemba isn't a pushover defensively like Thomas is. All of those gaudy stats and efficiency look nice but he's giving it right back to the other team. We play the Kings next. I promise you that Kemba will make Thomas look like the Mr. Irrelevant that he is. I like Thomas and felt like he was snubbed to have fell that far in the draft but he's not better than Kemba overall.

[Liver_Pooty]

I feel you Robot Rock. Kemba does get some unfair treatment around here but with great expectations comes great responsibility and vice versa. I'm learning to expect and accept it for what it is. Sometimes they act as if Kemba is a 27 year old vet at the peak of his prime the way they act like he can't improve upon his mistakes. MKG is my favorite Bobcats player and even I can admit that he doesn't get near the criticism unless it's specifically about his shooting form. You don't see people on the board saying trade MKG for Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, or even Harrison Barnes the same way you read people proposing trades of Kemba for players like Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas, and Iman Shumpert of all people. It is what it is. Just know that you got somebody that see things almost like you in me.

I was kidding about Dragic. Isaiah Thomas on the other hand.. Kings would hang up.

But we're better than the Kings for a reason. Because Kemba isn't a pushover defensively like Thomas is. All of those gaudy stats and efficiency look nice but he's giving it right back to the other team. We play the Kings next. I promise you that Kemba will make Thomas look like the Mr. Irrelevant that he is. I like Thomas and felt like he was snubbed to have fell that far in the draft but he's not better than Kemba overall.

I hope Kemba does outplay him. I want to WIN.

[catch20two]

I hope Kemba does outplay him. I want to WIN.

He will, like most PGs do. The Kings defense is a sieve because of him...and McLemore. I expect Kemba to lock him down too, at least keep him under his averages. Kemba is one of the better defensive PGs in the league but he won't get his credit for it. The pressure he put on the ballhandler allow us to be the top 5 defense that we are.

[Liver_Pooty]

I hope Kemba does outplay him. I want to WIN.

He will, like most PGs do. The Kings defense is a sieve because of him...and McLemore. I expect Kemba to lock him down too, at least keep him under his averages. Kemba is one of the better defensive PGs in the league but he won't get his credit for it. The pressure he put on the ballhandler allow us to be the top 5 defense that we are.

Most PGs dont outplay Thomas. I've watched 8 or so Kings this season on League Pass. Not sure what you are talking about in regards to him.

[catch20two]

I hope Kemba does outplay him. I want to WIN.

He will, like most PGs do. The Kings defense is a sieve because of him...and McLemore. I expect Kemba to lock him down too, at least keep him under his averages. Kemba is one of the better defensive PGs in the league but he won't get his credit for it. The pressure he put on the ballhandler allow us to be the top 5 defense that we are.

Most PGs dont outplay Thomas. I've watched 8 or so Kings this season on League Pass. Not sure what you are talking about in regards to him.

I think I quoted it wrong when I said that most PGs outplay him individually. What I meant to say was that he offers no resistance defensively for a PG to effectively run his team's offense. Either way, Kemba will outplay him. Everybody look good in the West offensively because the only teams in that conference that play defense is the Spurs and Grizzlies.

[MPM]

If Shumpert had been drafted by CLT, we'd be looking to trade him for the NYK's Gerald Henderson.

I wouldn't go that far. It seems like a lateral move to me b/c Iman isn't really a great shooter either. We need a Korver type to punish people for leaving him open beyond the arc, create some spacing for Kemba and MKG to slash and Jefferson to post up.

Yep - just a bit of levity. My point is that Shumpert is no way any better than Hendo (who I'm not a big fan of), yet people seem to think Shump is some sort of diamond in the rough, untapped All Star. To me, he's a wildly inconsistent byproduct of NY media exposure, with an OK shot and good D. His value is over inflated just by being a Knick. Not worth much in trade to me.

I would love a pure shooter on this team like a Korver, but a guy I really have my eye on is Lance Stephenson. Pacers have promised a "fair" offer, but we'll see how that goes. I know he loves the Pacers, but we'll see what fair means. He's not exactly lights out from 3, but he's improved from .133, to .333, to .353 over the last 3 years. If that trajectory holds, I think he's going to be a special player in the coming years.

[catch20two]

This might be the wrong thread but I want to temper this Lance Stephenson talk a little. I would rather pay Evan Turner $10 million before I'd pay Stephenson $6 million. With that said I think Turner's market value will be about $8 million. Turner is better than Stephenson and out of the two is a better fit on our team because he's less boneheaded.

[MPM]

This might be the wrong thread but I want to temper this Lance Stephenson talk a little. I would rather pay Evan Turner $10 million before I'd pay Stephenson $6 million. With that said I think Turner's market value will be about $8 million. Turner is better than Stephenson and out of the two is a better fit on our team because he's less boneheaded.

Yep - actually I like Turner as well and given the option between the two would slightly opt for Turner, but have Stephenson on the brain after watching him play a couple of games recently. To keep this on topic, I'd still be happy to package a pick and Hendo (Jersey native, played HS ball in Philly) for Turner, but think the Sixers are in the driver's seat right now in terms of Turner's value.

Turner is a fairly horrible 3 pt. shooter though, and doesn't address our shooting/spacing issues, but would represent a talent upgrade and is a great rebounder/facilitator. But - who would he actually facilitate for with no shooters? Rodney Hood, maybe

[Snidely FC]

Ben Gordon to PHX for Okofor and PJ Tucker. Tucker shooting 47% from 3 this yr.