Woj: Boston/Houston "serious talks including Bass/Lee/pick"

[Knosh]

Wow. Is it me or is this horrible value? Rockets fans had a "no trade" stance when Dwight was signed in regards to Asik. One wonders what they could have really received if they would have just traded him in the summer

Depends on how you rate Asik, he is a very good defender, but a liability on offense, and is getting paid $15 million next year. Add in the bad attitude, and I do not know why people were expecting a fortune for him. Depending on the pick 2 rotation guys and a mid 1st round pick is not bad value.

2 rotation guys and a pick sounds ok, but I don't see how Lee and his contract fit into their plans.
The version where they get Hawes and no pick makes more sense from a fit perspective, but then you are talking about 2 rotation guys and no pick...

[Niko23]

I think the iron was much hotter when Dwight signed. Houston was kidding themselves by saying both would play on the court together. Asik has been exposed to a degree with the lack of playing time - but damn was he a hot item the day Dwight signed.......

[DusterBuster]

I think the iron was much hotter when Dwight signed. Houston was kidding themselves by saying both would play on the court together. Asik has been exposed to a degree with the lack of playing time - but damn was he a hot item the day Dwight signed.......

This is a million times right. Quite honestly, the height of his value was before they signed Dwight. Obviously it would have been risky to trade Asik before having Dwight signed, but it was pretty clear he was going to Houston last summer. They would have gotten considerably more return for him had they traded him then.

Stevie Wonder could tell Dwight and Asik starting together was going to be a disaster.

[Wizenheimer]

If Boston has Rondo and Asik in a starting lineup, would there be a more offensively-challenged starting lineup in the league?

[The Rebel]

Wow. Is it me or is this horrible value? Rockets fans had a "no trade" stance when Dwight was signed in regards to Asik. One wonders what they could have really received if they would have just traded him in the summer

Depends on how you rate Asik, he is a very good defender, but a liability on offense, and is getting paid $15 million next year. Add in the bad attitude, and I do not know why people were expecting a fortune for him. Depending on the pick 2 rotation guys and a mid 1st round pick is not bad value.

2 rotation guys and a pick sounds ok, but I don't see how Lee and his contract fit into their plans.
The version where they get Hawes and no pick makes more sense from a fit perspective, but then you are talking about 2 rotation guys and no pick...

Maybe Morey has someone else who will take Lee with a lesser asset or giving up a neutral contract?

[Niko23]

I think the iron was much hotter when Dwight signed. Houston was kidding themselves by saying both would play on the court together. Asik has been exposed to a degree with the lack of playing time - but damn was he a hot item the day Dwight signed.......

This is a million times right. Quite honestly, the height of his value was before they signed Dwight. Obviously it would have been risky to trade Asik before having Dwight signed, but it was pretty clear he was going to Houston last summer. They would have gotten considerably more return for him had they traded him then.

Stevie Wonder could tell Dwight and Asik starting together was going to be a disaster.

For as good as Morey is - he may have out thought himself on this one........and I suppose I understand that based on the other deals he has done

[DusterBuster]

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[Mr. E]

I still think that the final deal will look different than what is being discussed. There's going to be a third team in there.

Bass & Lee would fit this team well if that is what it ends up at. Still disappointed that Asik wouldn't buy into the system

[Niko23]

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Exactly!!!!

[the_process]

Bass and Dwight already played together... in Orlando... and as I recall it was a disaster and Van Gundy ended up bringing Bass off the bench. And Lee was not that long ago salary dumped on Boston by Morey. So the irony of this being the potential framework of a deal is rich.

[jayjaysee]

If Boston has Rondo and Asik in a starting lineup, would there be a more offensively-challenged starting lineup in the league?

Not a Celtics fan, but Rondo is an amazing playmaker, Green and Sullinger have looked great with Crawford running the show, they prob ably will look like all-stars with Rondo and the extra minutes with Bass/Lee gone..


AND.... As much as they might struggle to put up 95 with a starting line up of Asik, Sullinger, Green, Bradley, Rondo.. How do you score against that? Asik, Green, Wallace, Bradley, Rondo are all pretty close to the top tier defensively at their positions. I think if Wallace was making 2-4 million a year, the opinion of him would be much different...

[FNQ]

The sobering reality of the Asik market. 2 rotational non-ECs and a late round 1st. Man, CHA FO must be a little sore at what was asked from them.

[j_angel]

If Boston has Rondo and Asik in a starting lineup, would there be a more offensively-challenged starting lineup in the league?

Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk are very very good offensive 4s. Both have great Ball IQ and a decent passers, add in Rondo, and Asik will be getting easy buckets.

Green is also a decent offensive player and Bradley is hitting his shots atm.

Also I feel people are underrating Bass. He is worth his contract for sure.

[RoyalWun]

Damn. Was hoping Portland could snatch up Bass.

[Knosh]

Should we expect Bass and Lee to play tonight, if there is something to this rumors?

[zronv7]

what's up with the 1st round pick? Lee + Bass not good enough? Those two guys right here will make a difference come playoff time.

[bs_and_cs]

what's up with the 1st round pick? Lee + Bass not good enough? Those two guys right here will make a difference come playoff time.

Yeah, those two are severely underrated. But as a Celtics fan I'd literally rather have Brandon Bass than Omer Asik. I wouldn't trade him one for one. Asik is overpaid. Which is the exact reason we got rid of Kendrick Perkins (the other defense only center we have had this past decade) and that worked out fantastically.

Bass is a strong guy who can play in the post and hit a 15 footer with ease. But most important he is really athletic and has been use, pretty effectively, not fantastically, but easily better than some SFs, to cover top SFs like LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.

I'm not sure what Ainge is so interested in Asik for.

[jayjaysee]

what's up with the 1st round pick? Lee + Bass not good enough? Those two guys right here will make a difference come playoff time.

I picture it looking like the model someone posted above..

Houston - Bass, Hawes
Houston - Asik
Philly - Lee, Atl first
Philly - Hawes
Boston - Asik
Boston - Lee, Bass, Alt first

But not that good for Houston, if Lee+Atl first got Hawes, Houston would be cut out obviously..

Lee+Dieng going to Minn with Shved going to Boston and Dieng going to Houston could work but I think Minn fans are high on Dieng?


Houston - Bass, Dieng
Houston - Asik
Minn- Lee, Atl first
Minn- Shved, Dieng
Boston - Asik, Shved
Boston - Lee, Bass, Alt first

Char could do a similar deal with Haywood and Taylor going to Houston for Lee,

Houston - Bass, Haywood, Taylor
Houston - Asik. Covington
Char- Lee
Char- Haywood, Talor
Boston - Asik, Covington
Boston - Lee, Bass,

In that I guess Atl first or Clippers first goes to Houston..?

[sonictecture]

If this had been proposed on this board by a regular poster it would have been shot down. The value is too low. If there is a GM out there that believes that Brandon Bass or Courtney Lee are worth their contracts or make a difference I'll just be amazed.

Didn't Ainge sign Courtney Lee away from Morey? WTH has Lee done since that time that would make Morey want him back?

I'm calling it. This trade isn't happening.

[Devilanche]

If Boston has Rondo and Asik in a starting lineup, would there be a more offensively-challenged starting lineup in the league?

the starting lineup with thabo and perkins.