Otto Porter

[GhostsOfGil]

Beal is untouchable imo. Hes a future all-star and the perfect complement to Wall. We really hit a homerun with the pick, which is a first for Ernie.


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Why? Does he have a lot of promise? Sure. But why close doors on opportunities before they even open? I'm not saying we should be actively looking to trade Beal but I'd argue against being so closed minded or becoming too attached to a prospect that you lack the foresight and awareness to act when a deal does come along (cough, Harden, cough).

Beal isn't untouchable, but I think GeeWiz's greater point is that he is such a good fit on this team that it is unlikely that there is a Beal trade package out there that would result in a net improvement of our roster.

I would be on board for a deal centered around Beal for Love.

[Upper Decker]

Beal is untouchable imo. Hes a future all-star and the perfect complement to Wall. We really hit a homerun with the pick, which is a first for Ernie.


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Why? Does he have a lot of promise? Sure. But why close doors on opportunities before they even open? I'm not saying we should be actively looking to trade Beal but I'd argue against being so closed minded or becoming too attached to a prospect that you lack the foresight and awareness to act when a deal does come along (cough, Harden, cough).

Beal isn't untouchable, but I think GeeWiz's greater point is that he is such a good fit on this team that it is unlikely that there is a Beal trade package out there that would result in a net improvement of our roster.

He sure is a good fit, between him and Nene we have the stress injury market cornered...

I wouldn't be actively shopping Beal, but I wouldn't consider him even remotely untouchable. He's pretty close to being labeled injury prone and he takes a very high volume of long 2's, in fact twice as many long 2's as he does shots at the rim. Not only that, but his PER is 13.66 and he doesn't take very many FT's. In my estimation he's the tough juice of SG's. That's a good player, but how much did the Wizards win with Butler? If you could get a true star for Beal I'd do it.

[Zonkerbl]

Is that Beal's fault or Wittman's offense that seems to result in a ton of long 2's? Or EG's fault, for that matter, for putting together a roster that apparently is not a threat from inside?

[pancakes3]

Beal is 6 inches worth of feet alignment away from being Ray Allen, or at the least Kevin Martin who defends. He's a keeper through and through

[nate33]

Why? Does he have a lot of promise? Sure. But why close doors on opportunities before they even open? I'm not saying we should be actively looking to trade Beal but I'd argue against being so closed minded or becoming too attached to a prospect that you lack the foresight and awareness to act when a deal does come along (cough, Harden, cough).

Beal isn't untouchable, but I think GeeWiz's greater point is that he is such a good fit on this team that it is unlikely that there is a Beal trade package out there that would result in a net improvement of our roster.

I would be on board for a deal centered around Beal for Love.

So would I. But Minnesota wouldn't do it.

That's my point. Anything we would be willing to do, the other team wouldn't.

[Ruzious]

Love's PER is literally twice Beal's. And he's significantly more efficient. Love could be the worst defender who ever lived - he'd still be more valuable than Beal.

[pancakes3]

I'd give up Beal, Porter, Nene, draft picks, and cash for Love and Minnesota still wouldn't bite.

[jblaze2004]

I'd give up Beal, Porter, Nene, draft picks, and cash for Love and Minnesota still wouldn't bite.

the real question is would you give up wall for love? would they bite?

[nuposse04]

If you trade the farm for Love odds are you'll never actually win anything worth a damn, so it is probably a long term lateral move from where we are now.

[hands11]

I'd give up Beal, Porter, Nene, draft picks, and cash for Love and Minnesota still wouldn't bite.

the real question is would you give up wall for love? would they bite?

You would have to.

There are not enough shots in a game for the two of them. And if their was, no one else on the team would shoot.

As for Beal. No way I would trade him. You kidding me ?

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... adley-beal

You don't trade a 20 year old doing that for 4.3M a year.

Kevin Love.. let not act like he isn't an injury concern. I think Beal will grow out of his issues. Soft bones on a young man that is still growing and played way to many minutes.

[80sballboy]

Kevin Love is a great player, but how is Minnesota? They are .500 and that says something about his defense and shot selection. A guy who is 6-10, shooting 44.7% from the floor and doesn't block shots. Has turned himself into the ultimate stretch 4 who is a rebounding monster who is an injury-prone. I would NEVER trade Beal unless you can get a dominant big man, where there really are none out there.

[stevemcqueen1]

If you trade the farm for Love odds are you'll never actually win anything worth a damn, so it is probably a long term lateral move from where we are now.

Yep. Minnesota isn't winning with Love. If we trade away our whole team for him, we wouldn't either. Would Wall + Love be enough by themselves to contend?

I have my doubts.

[tontoz]

Kevin Love is a great player, but how is Minnesota? They are .500 and that says something about his defense and shot selection. A guy who is 6-10, shooting 44.7% from the floor and doesn't block shots. Has turned himself into the ultimate stretch 4 who is a rebounding monster who is an injury-prone. I would NEVER trade Beal unless you can get a dominant big man, where there really are none out there.

Love's TS of 58% is good, especially given that he is their number 1 option. He takes over 6 three pointers a game so looking at FG% doesn't make much sense.

[nuposse04]

If you trade the farm for Love odds are you'll never actually win anything worth a damn, so it is probably a long term lateral move from where we are now.

Yep. Minnesota isn't winning with Love. If we trade away our whole team for him, we wouldn't either. Would Wall + Love be enough by themselves to contend?

I have my doubts.

Love is a very productive player and an excellent complimentary player to a legit playoff 1st option. There are unfortunately, very few players in the league who can get off a shot in the playoffs at a decent enough efficiency.

LBJ
Durant
George
Parker
CP3
Harden
Melo

after that I think the other guys either need considerable floor spacing around them or have some efficiency drop off...or simply aren't great ISO players. If you give up everything for Love, you will never win. He's great at pick and pop plays and putbacks, but defenses clamp down in the playoffs. I'm not a fan of Love in the post or in face up situations. Lets not even talk about his "defense."

Love has decent enough pieces around him NOW and he's still playing at an outstanding level, and he still can't will his team to victory. Trading the farm for Love isn't a championship move. If the Lakers grandmaster plan is to pull Westbrook+love together in '16 or w/e it is, it will be hysterical. That team will be treadmill in the playoffs (2nd round exits) especially if both those guys get supermax deals.

[nuposse04]

Kevin Love is a great player, but how is Minnesota? They are .500 and that says something about his defense and shot selection. A guy who is 6-10, shooting 44.7% from the floor and doesn't block shots. Has turned himself into the ultimate stretch 4 who is a rebounding monster who is an injury-prone. I would NEVER trade Beal unless you can get a dominant big man, where there really are none out there.

Love's TS of 58% is good, especially given that he is their number 1 option. He takes over 6 three pointers a game so looking at FG% doesn't make much sense.

teams focus on things love does the best though. They will run him off the 3 pt line and they will focus on boxing him out. He seems like he's an outstanding regular season player, but when he does make the playoffs, I think he might get exposed a bit.

[Nivek]

Kevin Love is a great player, but how is Minnesota? They are .500 and that says something about his defense and shot selection. A guy who is 6-10, shooting 44.7% from the floor and doesn't block shots. Has turned himself into the ultimate stretch 4 who is a rebounding monster who is an injury-prone. I would NEVER trade Beal unless you can get a dominant big man, where there really are none out there.

Love's TS of 58% is good, especially given that he is their number 1 option. He takes over 6 three pointers a game so looking at FG% doesn't make much sense.

Yep. FG% became an anachronism as soon as the 3pt shot was introduced. His efg is .515, which is good. And he gets to the FT line with regularity.

[tontoz]

Kevin Love is a great player, but how is Minnesota? They are .500 and that says something about his defense and shot selection. A guy who is 6-10, shooting 44.7% from the floor and doesn't block shots. Has turned himself into the ultimate stretch 4 who is a rebounding monster who is an injury-prone. I would NEVER trade Beal unless you can get a dominant big man, where there really are none out there.

Love's TS of 58% is good, especially given that he is their number 1 option. He takes over 6 three pointers a game so looking at FG% doesn't make much sense.

teams focus on things love does the best though. They will run him off the 3 pt line and they will focus on boxing him out. He seems like he's an outstanding regular season player, but when he does make the playoffs, I think he might get exposed a bit.

Not many 4s are used to, let alone capable of, running guys off the 3 point line.

[Nivek]

Kevin Love is a great player, but how is Minnesota? They are .500 and that says something about his defense and shot selection. A guy who is 6-10, shooting 44.7% from the floor and doesn't block shots. Has turned himself into the ultimate stretch 4 who is a rebounding monster who is an injury-prone. I would NEVER trade Beal unless you can get a dominant big man, where there really are none out there.

Minnesota is .500 in the West while playing the league's 5th toughest schedule so far. They're 8th in scoring margin -- suggestive of a team that should have 3 more wins than they currently do. Which suggests they'll probably improve their winning percentage as the season wears on. And, they're as good as they are despite a roster that's still pretty thin.

I really like Beal. I think he's going to be a very good guard. But if the Wizards could swap him for Love, they'd be nuts not to do it.

[nate33]

Love is easily a better player than Beal. Love may not be perfect, but you could certainly win with him. Give me Wall, Love, a defensive center in the Asik/Sanders mold, and a couple of spot up shooters like Webster and Ariza, and that's a team that will contend. We won't be favorites over teams with HOF caliber superstars like Miami and OKC, but then, very few teams are favorites against those types of players.

[nuposse04]

Love is easily a better player than Beal. Love may not be perfect, but you could certainly win with him. Give me Wall, Love, a defensive center in the Asik/Sanders mold, and a couple of spot up shooters like Webster and Ariza, and that's a team that will contend. We won't be favorites over teams with HOF caliber superstars like Miami and OKC, but then, very few teams are favorites against those types of players.

I won't deny Love is better then Beal, that is fairly obvious. Right now, and probably at Beal's peak (unless beal Surpasses projections). What I doubt is that Love is better then a moderately optimistic projection for Beal+Porter+ w/e 1st round picks you give up for him. Love's game just doesn't seem conducive to high level of advancement in the playoffs. Kind of like melo..