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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#141 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:50 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:This is the ONLY way that I am behind tanking for a high pick. I have made this my position from the beginning.

Keep Deng.

Everything else is afterwards. My priority list would be as follows:

1) Re-sign Deng. And then rest him a lot using the injury excuse.
2) Play Boozer a LOT and increase his trade value as best as possible. At the very least, we would be increasing his amnesty value. Rest Noah and have Boozer and Taj take up all the PF/C minutes with Nazr.
3) Play Snell and Butler a LOT and have them dramatically increase their 3PA per game.
4) Tanking is virtually guaranteed with the above 3 happening.
4) Bring in Mirotic.
5) Draft with the Charlotte pick and our own pick.

You have to re-sign Deng. He is way too essential to be replaced easily. Screw the payroll. Win championships.

Anyone who thinks Boozer has any amnesty value or trade value whatsoever is delusional. It's $0.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#142 » by keshmoney » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:51 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:This is the ONLY way that I am behind tanking for a high pick. I have made this my position from the beginning.

Keep Deng.

Everything else is afterwards. My priority list would be as follows:

1) Re-sign Deng. And then rest him a lot using the injury excuse.
2) Play Boozer a LOT and increase his trade value as best as possible. At the very least, we would be increasing his amnesty value. Rest Noah and have Boozer and Taj take up all the PF/C minutes with Nazr.
3) Play Snell and Butler a LOT and have them dramatically increase their 3PA per game.
4) Tanking is virtually guaranteed with the above 3 happening.
4) Bring in Mirotic.
5) Draft with the Charlotte pick and our own pick.

You have to re-sign Deng. He is way too essential to be replaced easily. Screw the payroll. Win championships.


I like this premise but it all depends on how much Deng wants. We can't destroy our future cap flexibility by paying Deng $14+ million a year. What is the most you suggest offering him?
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#143 » by drosestruts » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:51 pm

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musiqsoulchild wrote:This is the ONLY way that I am behind tanking for a high pick. I have made this my position from the beginning.

Keep Deng.

Everything else is afterwards. My priority list would be as follows:

1) Re-sign Deng. And then rest him a lot using the injury excuse.
2) Play Boozer a LOT and increase his trade value as best as possible. At the very least, we would be increasing his amnesty value. Rest Noah and have Boozer and Taj take up all the PF/C minutes with Nazr.
3) Play Snell and Butler a LOT and have them dramatically increase their 3PA per game.
4) Tanking is virtually guaranteed with the above 3 happening.
4) Bring in Mirotic.
5) Draft with the Charlotte pick and our own pick.

You have to re-sign Deng. He is way too essential to be replaced easily. Screw the payroll. Win championships.

Anyone who thinks Boozer has any amnesty value or trade value whatsoever is delusional. It's $0.


You don't think any teams will bid on Boozer if/when he's amnestied?
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#144 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:53 pm

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musiqsoulchild wrote:This is the ONLY way that I am behind tanking for a high pick. I have made this my position from the beginning.

Keep Deng.

Everything else is afterwards. My priority list would be as follows:

1) Re-sign Deng. And then rest him a lot using the injury excuse.
2) Play Boozer a LOT and increase his trade value as best as possible. At the very least, we would be increasing his amnesty value. Rest Noah and have Boozer and Taj take up all the PF/C minutes with Nazr.
3) Play Snell and Butler a LOT and have them dramatically increase their 3PA per game.
4) Tanking is virtually guaranteed with the above 3 happening.
4) Bring in Mirotic.
5) Draft with the Charlotte pick and our own pick.

You have to re-sign Deng. He is way too essential to be replaced easily. Screw the payroll. Win championships.

Anyone who thinks Boozer has any amnesty value or trade value whatsoever is delusional. It's $0.


You don't think any teams will bid on Boozer if/when he's amnestied?

He is the worst defensive PF in the league.

His TS% is 49%.

He can rebound. That's it.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#145 » by TruthSerum » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:53 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:This is the ONLY way that I am behind tanking for a high pick. I have made this my position from the beginning.

Keep Deng.

Everything else is afterwards. My priority list would be as follows:

1) Re-sign Deng. And then rest him a lot using the injury excuse.
2) Play Boozer a LOT and increase his trade value as best as possible. At the very least, we would be increasing his amnesty value. Rest Noah and have Boozer and Taj take up all the PF/C minutes with Nazr.
3) Play Snell and Butler a LOT and have them dramatically increase their 3PA per game.
4) Tanking is virtually guaranteed with the above 3 happening.
4) Bring in Mirotic.
5) Draft with the Charlotte pick and our own pick.

You have to re-sign Deng. He is way too essential to be replaced easily. Screw the payroll. Win championships.

Anyone who thinks Boozer has any amnesty value or trade value whatsoever is delusional. It's $0.


Boozer should get $5M off what's owed next year. Not a bad deal for the Bulls to stay competitive while dropping below the taxline.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#146 » by aguifs » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:54 pm

Please god no!!! I'm won't believe we'll make the same mistake again... Falling in love with our roster...

Sorry about the bi*tch*ng... but I can't believe we'll do it once again...
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#147 » by bledredwine » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:55 pm

They're waiting to see how Rose looks IF he returns this season before making rash decisions... That is unless they get a great offer and yes they're trying to increase trade value just like Morey w Asik..
:o LeBron is 0-7 in game winning/tying FGs in the finals. And is 20/116 or 17% in game winning/tying FGs in the 4th/OT for his career. That's historically bad :o
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#148 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:55 pm

What moronic franchise is going to give Boozer $5 million?

How would this forum react if we used our MLE on a PF that is both brutally inefficient and a sieve defensively?
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#149 » by DJhitek » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:57 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:This is the ONLY way that I am behind tanking for a high pick. I have made this my position from the beginning.

Keep Deng.

Everything else is afterwards. My priority list would be as follows:

1) Re-sign Deng. And then rest him a lot using the injury excuse.
2) Play Boozer a LOT and increase his trade value as best as possible. At the very least, we would be increasing his amnesty value. Rest Noah and have Boozer and Taj take up all the PF/C minutes with Nazr.
3) Play Snell and Butler a LOT and have them dramatically increase their 3PA per game.
4) Tanking is virtually guaranteed with the above 3 happening.
4) Bring in Mirotic.
5) Draft with the Charlotte pick and our own pick.

You have to re-sign Deng. He is way too essential to be replaced easily. Screw the payroll. Win championships.


Honestly, as easy as we throw this term out. There hasn't been one indiciation that the Bulls can:

A) Score enough in the playoffs to beat any good team in the playoffs

or

B) Stay healthy enough to find out if we do have enough offense.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#150 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:59 pm

If Rose is our best player, Deng can't be our 3rd option if we are going to win a title.

If we had a LeBron or KD level first option, you could get away with paying Deng big money, but we don't have that luxury.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#151 » by DJhitek » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:59 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:What moronic franchise is going to give Boozer $5 million?

How would this forum react if we used our MLE on a PF that is both brutally inefficient and a sieve defensively?


We bout to spend that on an unproven PF from Europe who isn't really known for being a defensive savant.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#152 » by TruthSerum » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:59 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:What moronic franchise is going to give Boozer $5 million?

How would this forum react if we used our MLE on a PF that is both brutally inefficient and a sieve defensively?


First thing is Boozer should be coming off the bench and will wherever he goes. Coming off the bench, he's a great rebounder and above-average scorer where defense isn't exactly valued.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#153 » by dougthonus » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:00 pm

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dougthonus wrote: Not trading and not keeping? That's a train wreck.


Trading him and getting back a non-useful player with salary on the books for 2014? A bigger train wreck.

Letting him expire is not the worst situation.


Sure, but it's the worst possible outcome that you could see actually happening.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#154 » by rtblues » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:01 pm

Yeah, right, and then the next press release:
"Bulls and Deng unable to reach terms, parting ways"

Then they can say, "...we didn't want to trade him, but we were unable to reach an agreement"

I'm still going to go ahead and say, he's gone....

Just a hunch, but,10 years in the league, injury history, lots of minutes/mileage, and wants 6MIL more than they think he's worth, and for how many years? Um, no. Why? Get something while they can, and not a Ben Gordon replay, who they got back ZERO for.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#155 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:01 pm

DJhitek wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:What moronic franchise is going to give Boozer $5 million?

How would this forum react if we used our MLE on a PF that is both brutally inefficient and a sieve defensively?


We bout to spend that on an unproven PF from Europe who isn't really known for being a defensive savant.

Mirotic makes up for it on the offensive end.

Boozer bleeds you on both ends of the court.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#156 » by DJhitek » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:02 pm

BTW, we throw out the term "Compete for a championship" when we haven't escaped the second round in three years and the one year we did make the conference finals we lost in 5.

Maybe this team, as it's currently constructed, isn't a title contender and never really was.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#157 » by Red Larrivee » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:02 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Mirotic makes up for it on the offensive end.

Boozer bleeds you on both ends of the court.


Mirotic hasn't played a single game in the NBA. We don't know what he "makes up for."
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#158 » by DJhitek » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:03 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Mirotic makes up for it on the offensive end.

Boozer bleeds you on both ends of the court.



Mirotic doesn't make up anything right now. He hasn't played a single NBA minute.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#159 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:03 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Mirotic makes up for it on the offensive end.

Boozer bleeds you on both ends of the court.


Mirotic hasn't played a single game in the NBA. We don't know what he "makes up for."

You don't think Mirotic is better than Boozer?

Even if Mirotic has been in Europe, we can still project him.

Just like we can project Boozer going forward.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#160 » by DJhitek » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:04 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Mirotic makes up for it on the offensive end.

Boozer bleeds you on both ends of the court.


Mirotic hasn't played a single game in the NBA. We don't know what he "makes up for."


:lol:

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