Has Schanowski reported a Deng/Okafor trade with PHX?

[Rerisen]

Adding yet another 1st round pick (potentially 3, on top of Nikola a rookie coming on) is overkill, and only makes sense if the Bulls are working on a draft day blockbuster for established talent. We can hope.

I don't know. If you're committed to the full rebuild this is the type of move you'd make. You'd probably also move Noah along with these moves. This would be your blank slate.

I'm still an advocate of retaining Deng, amnestying Boozer, signing Mirotic with the MLE and a pg with one of the LLE. But I see a lot of people saying the Bulls should tank and start over. This would be it. Trade with Phoenix for one, maybe two first rounders. Then you enter the draft with four picks and a brand new start.

4 picks and Rose will be demanding out (provided he returns to be a player worthy of such clout).

Even if you draft a couple studs, that team would likely be bad for several years. Teams of entirely young players are almost always inconsistent, sloppy, poor on defense, and often have infighting among their young immature players (see Cleveland, or Sacto of a couple years ago).

This is not a good plan unless the Bulls have fully given up competing in Rose's prime, or on his current deal over the next 3 years.

[weneeda2guard]

I like the idea of having those picks because I think we can package say a minny pick and the bobcat pick with boozer and ship him to a team like either Memphis for zbo or minny for love who might be willing to do a draft day deal on guys who they can see bolting on them in 2015

Boozer alone can't get that deal done but boozer on a expiring and 2 draft picks could make a team bust a move

[wonderboy2]

Adding yet another 1st round pick (potentially 3, on top of Nikola a rookie coming on) is overkill, and only makes sense if the Bulls are working on a draft day blockbuster for established talent. We can hope.

I don't know. If you're committed to the full rebuild this is the type of move you'd make. You'd probably also move Noah along with these moves. This would be your blank slate.

I'm still an advocate of retaining Deng, amnestying Boozer, signing Mirotic with the MLE and a pg with one of the LLE. But I see a lot of people saying the Bulls should tank and start over. This would be it. Trade with Phoenix for one, maybe two first rounders. Then you enter the draft with four picks and a brand new start.

Dont think a full rebuild will bold well with rose and thibs. I dont understand why people want that. There are some great players in this draft but even the stupid GMs dont trade all of thier top players that are allstars and are entering thier prime for unproven rookies. We have enough young players. We are going to have 2 first rounders this year plus are secound round pick and mirotic comming over. Thats 4 rookies next season and thats not including Snell and Murphy. We still have Teague as well. Thats 7 players on your roster that have less then 3 years experiece. Not including Butler who still have a long way to go and is still developing. You dont win with young players. You have QUALITY veterans on your team if you want to win. I Love some of the prospects in this draft but at the same time we might be to young next season. Like they say "You win with men not boys."

[RedBulls23]

Adding yet another 1st round pick (potentially 3, on top of Nikola a rookie coming on) is overkill, and only makes sense if the Bulls are working on a draft day blockbuster for established talent. We can hope.

Still waiting for that homerun trade for about 6 years now...

[P.C.]

Adding yet another 1st round pick (potentially 3, on top of Nikola a rookie coming on) is overkill, and only makes sense if the Bulls are working on a draft day blockbuster for established talent. We can hope.

I don't know. If you're committed to the full rebuild this is the type of move you'd make. You'd probably also move Noah along with these moves. This would be your blank slate.

I'm still an advocate of retaining Deng, amnestying Boozer, signing Mirotic with the MLE and a pg with one of the LLE. But I see a lot of people saying the Bulls should tank and start over. This would be it. Trade with Phoenix for one, maybe two first rounders. Then you enter the draft with four picks and a brand new start.

4 picks and Rose will be demanding out (provided he returns to be a player worthy of such clout).

Even if you draft a couple studs, that team would likely be bad for several years. Teams of entirely young players are almost always inconsistent, sloppy, poor on defense, and often have infighting among their young immature players (see Cleveland, or Sacto of a couple years ago).

This is not a good plan unless the Bulls have fully given up competing in Rose's prime, or on his current deal over the next 3 years.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying, look, one of the arguments I've made in recent days, weeks and months is that trading away assets for expiring contracts and picks might not even possible. And it appears I was incorrect. If the Bulls trade away Deng and Noah before the deadline and end up with a package that includes a couple of picks, a promising young center like Steve Adams, and the franchise is able to sign Mirotic then they have a very intriguing roster that I would be excited to watch. You can imagine the possible lineups and they're attractive. All I'm saying is that there are moves out there.

[unknownnewbie]

We need expiring and a 1st

PHX is actually not that bad this year though....

That's not really a great pick IMO

Phoenix is better than people thought they'd be, but they still might miss the playoffs because the West is so tough, so the pick could be decent. Besides, they are the only team I know who is actually looking to trade a 2014 pick.

[TheSuzerain]

Phoenix has spare 1sts to trade.

[Action Paxson]

Utah was able to package 14 and 21 to get the 9th pick I believe. The Bulls could ask for a non-Indiana pick and be able to move up a few spots. If this draft is as deep as everyone says, finding teams willing to move down 5 spots for an extra pick won't be too tough. Rookie contracts are gold in this CBA.

[mostek]

Utah was able to package 14 and 21 to get the 9th pick I believe. The Bulls could ask for a non-Indiana pick and be able to move up a few spots. If this draft is as deep as everyone says, finding teams willing to move down 5 spots for an extra pick won't be too tough. Rookie contracts are gold in this CBA.

Only in one of the worst drafts in a very long time. That does not carry over to one of the best.

[TheSchmaranz]

Anyone posting in here thinking we can get Bledsoe, ridiculous notion.

[Darius Miles Davis]

Yep. There's no way we're getting Bledsoe. Two low first round picks and expirings...maybe.

[BullsFTW]

I'd want Alex Len included in a package deal for Deng.

Okafor + Len + WAS 2014 Pick for Deng + Nazr

[Action Paxson]

Utah was able to package 14 and 21 to get the 9th pick I believe. The Bulls could ask for a non-Indiana pick and be able to move up a few spots. If this draft is as deep as everyone says, finding teams willing to move down 5 spots for an extra pick won't be too tough. Rookie contracts are gold in this CBA.

Only in one of the worst drafts in a very long time. That does not carry over to one of the best.

A strong draft only would increase the likelihood that a team would want to move down for an additional picks.

[BullsFTW]

Utah was able to package 14 and 21 to get the 9th pick I believe. The Bulls could ask for a non-Indiana pick and be able to move up a few spots. If this draft is as deep as everyone says, finding teams willing to move down 5 spots for an extra pick won't be too tough. Rookie contracts are gold in this CBA.

Only in one of the worst drafts in a very long time. That does not carry over to one of the best.

A strong draft only would increase the likelihood that a team would want to move down for an additional picks.

That's true. Small market teams specially would love multiple picks in this draft. Talented and affordable.

[gaspar]

We need expiring and a 1st

PHX is actually not that bad this year though....

That's not really a great pick IMO

Phoenix is better than people thought they'd be, but they still might miss the playoffs because the West is so tough, so the pick could be decent. Besides, they are the only team I know who is actually looking to trade a 2014 pick.

Yes, for a star, not expiring 29 year old Luol Deng.

The Suns are not interested in a "Tobias Harris for 3 months of JJ Redick" kind of deal.

[DRose4MVP]

The Suns are not trading Bledsoe. He's the little engine that drives that team and their success this season.

[TheSuzerain]

We could learn a thing or two from Phoenix about proper team construction.

They are starless, but look at them in the West.

[jax98]

Adding yet another 1st round pick (potentially 3, on top of Nikola a rookie coming on) is overkill, and only makes sense if the Bulls are working on a draft day blockbuster for established talent. We can hope.

Just to clarify, are you saying it's overkill adding Mirotic and possibly a stud rookie in the form of say, Jabari Parker?

Because I'll counter with the fact that the Bulls' window has closed. It's not opening again within the next year anyway, even if they use a high pick to acquire a veteran star. There's still a whole season of Derrick adjusting to the game, Boozer is going to either not be with the Bulls or be a year older. Deng? Lord knows what will happen there, but even if he stays, it won't make him the secondary shot-creator we need.

So why not acquire two or three young assets who can come into their own?

Side-note: Mirotic might require some time to adjust, but the label "rookie" is probably not applicable to him as much as it would be to the new draft class. He's been a pro since 2008. This matters.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

The draft picks are just assets. Trade for a current vet, trade up in the draft, trade for a future draft pick (I think some teams might be willing to get back into the mid-first in this draft). Of course you should look at acquiring assets. Deng is very likely to move on. Someone like Boozer has one year left during Rose will be trying to get back to his full self, and then is certainly gone. Only a guy like Noah would be difficult to make a decision on as he could still conceivably fit with the future, but if we're going for the tank, I'm personally looking to move him to for a package of picks or other assets.

Just set yourselfs up as best you can to be top 3-5 in lotto, and if that fails you probably have the assets to go for a quick retool and/or cap space in 2015.

Certainly no one should be interested in trying to play 3-4 rookies next year.

[Quinarvy]

Utah was able to package 14 and 21 to get the 9th pick I believe. The Bulls could ask for a non-Indiana pick and be able to move up a few spots. If this draft is as deep as everyone says, finding teams willing to move down 5 spots for an extra pick won't be too tough. Rookie contracts are gold in this CBA.

Only in one of the worst drafts in a very long time. That does not carry over to one of the best.

Yeah, but two first rounders in this draft and you could move from something like say, 16 and 17 (Washington pick from PHX and Charlotte pick) to 11 or 12 if someone like LaVine falls to there.

Having 3 rookies like Mirotic, LaVine, and Parker would go a long way towards rebuilding and I think Parker and Rose would actually bond very quickly due to their Simeon roots and "hometown hero" status.

Then Taj, Noah, Rose, Augustin, and even Jimmy serve as vets next year. Bring back Nazr in the Big Sexy role and maybe even keep Dunleavy. I wouldn't worry about 3 rookies with those vets and Thibs.