Has Schanowski reported a Deng/Okafor trade with PHX?

[nitetrain8603]

He is 25, avged 9 and 9 last year and was only improving. As good on defense or possibly better than Noah. The picks would be around 18-20. Dont want too many rookies on the team. Friendly deal of 4yrs 44mil starting next year. Only reason I wouldnt do it is because of character issues. But they say a team can handle 1 problem player in a locker room.

Starting lineup and current age for next year:

Rose (25)--DJ (26)
Butler (24)--Snell (22)
Bulls 2014 1st (19-21)--FA
Mirotic (22)--Taj (29)
Sanders (25)--FA

That deal still makes no sense. Sanders, if anything, is a slight upgrade over Noah. You, however are making a deal for Larry Sanders that people on this board wouldn't make for LaMarcus Aldridge.

If there was an Offensive Foul button next to the And1 button, you would get it.

Blazers would laugh at Noah and 2 1sts (in the high teens to early 20s) for Lamarcus. At least now, but most likely before the year too. I know last year was a really weak draft, but Blazers turned down the #1 and #19 pick.

Noah, probably would've been the consensus #1 pick last year. It was that bad. And also, this draft is shaping up to be damn good. If we did it in the offseason, LA would probably be close to being a Bull if not one already.

[DJhitek]

As a Suns fan, i come in peace.



I have been one of the posters on our board (Suns) who have mentioned this Deng to Phoenix trade a few weeks back and think its a great idea for us. I think the universal trade that is mentioned the most (Deng for Okafor/1st) would be perfect for both teams. Now something else that i mentioned on our board that i have also seen here is talk about Noah being shipped out for assets. One of the assets that i see you guys covet in a Noah trade is a young C with potential (i see Addams named, as well as Sanders). Would you guys be open to this:

Deng/Noah for Okafor/Len/Green/2 2014 1sts

Len has been out since his surgery (he had an ankle injury prior to the draft, and our super medical team had them also operate on his other ankle as well for precautionary reasons). He could have been playing for us for about a month now, but we have been on a roll and Plumlee has been doing well holding down the fort at C, so we have decided to bring him back slowly, making sure not to rush him. He has outstanding potential and was highly looked at as possibly the 1st pick in the draft. So with this trade, you guys would be getting essentially a large expiring (Okafor), a so-so SG/SF that has been playing well for us this season (Green) and 3 1st round picks (Len & 2 2014s).

I'd do Deng/Noah for Markief M., Okafor and two firsts.

Len has an injury history already, Gerald Green has zero long term value and honestly Okafor has no value in this trade because Deng is expiring as well.

[Nate3carp]

As a Suns fan, i come in peace.



I have been one of the posters on our board (Suns) who have mentioned this Deng to Phoenix trade a few weeks back and think its a great idea for us. I think the universal trade that is mentioned the most (Deng for Okafor/1st) would be perfect for both teams. Now something else that i mentioned on our board that i have also seen here is talk about Noah being shipped out for assets. One of the assets that i see you guys covet in a Noah trade is a young C with potential (i see Addams named, as well as Sanders). Would you guys be open to this:

Deng/Noah for Okafor/Len/Green/2 2014 1sts

Len has been out since his surgery (he had an ankle injury prior to the draft, and our super medical team had them also operate on his other ankle as well for precautionary reasons). He could have been playing for us for about a month now, but we have been on a roll and Plumlee has been doing well holding down the fort at C, so we have decided to bring him back slowly, making sure not to rush him. He has outstanding potential and was highly looked at as possibly the 1st pick in the draft. So with this trade, you guys would be getting essentially a large expiring (Okafor), a so-so SG/SF that has been playing well for us this season (Green) and 3 1st round picks (Len & 2 2014s).

I'd do Deng/Noah for Markief M., Okafor and two firsts.

Len has an injury history already, Gerald Green has zero long term value and honestly Okafor has no value in this trade because Deng is expiring as well.

im with you on this. I think I would want Morris, Lenn, 2 1sts to trade Deng and Noah

[Gray Poster]

Do you want to make the Bulls bad for a long time? I do n ot understand trading a top SF and an AllStar center for junk. This is not the way to run a team. Involving Phoenix would be sending Phoenix someone on a non expiring deal that is good and sending Deng to Cleveland. Maybe Varajoa to Phoenix, Waiters and 2 first rounders to the Bulls and Deng to Cleveland. I could see something like this. but this other stuff is just dumb.

[Bulldog23]

Sending deng and Hinrich for Len, okafor and 1st sounds reasonable to me

[PaKii94]

Sending deng and Hinrich for Len, okafor and 1st sounds reasonable to me

now the suns are laughing in our faces.... A rental and an injury prone backup pg for a rental, a high draft pick from last yr and a pick from this yr. GetErDUN GAR

[GimmeDat]

I like the discussion, but if anyone's seriously interested in trading Noah for the moderate level asset's Phoenix can offer you guys are seriously undervaluing Jo. I honestly see nothing the Suns can offer us that I'd take in exchange for Jo other than say Bledsoe + the better Morris twin + Len, but I'd say I can't see Phoenix doing that and obviously Bledsoe is expendable in our system when Rose comes back, and to a lesser extent Morris with Taj.

That being said, I'm still for Okafor+1st like the rest of you.

Question: Would you guys rather another 1st or Len in the above deal? Obviously Len was just a high draft pick and has big upside, but there are concerns about his health which I can only assume would be exacerbated after such a move due to the downgrade in medical staff from Phx to Chi.

[BullsFTW]

I like the discussion, but if anyone's seriously interested in trading Noah for the moderate level asset's Phoenix can offer you guys are seriously undervaluing Jo. I honestly see nothing the Suns can offer us that I'd take in exchange for Jo other than say Bledsoe + the better Morris twin + Len, but I'd say I can't see Phoenix doing that and obviously Bledsoe is expendable in our system when Rose comes back, and to a lesser extent Morris with Taj.

That being said, I'm still for Okafor+1st like the rest of you.

Question: Would you guys rather another 1st or Len in the above deal? Obviously Len was just a high draft pick and has big upside, but there are concerns about his health which I can only assume would be exacerbated after such a move due to the downgrade in medical staff from Phx to Chi.

I like Len as a prospect, due to his length and touch around the basket. I know he's currently injured, but I'd rather take him than Waiters in exchange for Deng. Aside from Embiid, I don't know if there are better prospects than Len at Center in the 2014 draft, when healthy.

Also, the Bulls are currently on pace to win 24-28 games for the 2014 season, and trading Deng will solidify that notion. That is enough losses to land a pick between 4-7

[GimmeDat]

I like the discussion, but if anyone's seriously interested in trading Noah for the moderate level asset's Phoenix can offer you guys are seriously undervaluing Jo. I honestly see nothing the Suns can offer us that I'd take in exchange for Jo other than say Bledsoe + the better Morris twin + Len, but I'd say I can't see Phoenix doing that and obviously Bledsoe is expendable in our system when Rose comes back, and to a lesser extent Morris with Taj.

That being said, I'm still for Okafor+1st like the rest of you.

Question: Would you guys rather another 1st or Len in the above deal? Obviously Len was just a high draft pick and has big upside, but there are concerns about his health which I can only assume would be exacerbated after such a move due to the downgrade in medical staff from Phx to Chi.

I like Len as a prospect, due to his length and touch around the basket. I know he's currently injured, but I'd rather take him than Waiters in exchange for Deng. Aside from Embiid, I don't know if there are better prospects than Len at Center in the 2014 draft, when healthy.

Also, the Bulls are currently on pace to win 24-28 games for the 2014 season, and trading Deng will solidify that notion. That is enough to losses to land a pick between 4-7

Agreed.. though I'm still really concerned for his health long term. I'm about equal on Waiters/Len tbh.

[Ice the knees]

Bulls should take anything in the mid teens for Deng. It's not about finding someone in that spot to take Deng, it's about loading up on what teams actually want...Draft picks.

Deng for a 1st and be done with it. Take the Bulls first (lotto pick) and couple it with the pick you got in the Deng trade and see if you can drum something up or move up.

I wouldn't be too worried about getting a player in return for Deng, that can come later.

[Chi town]

I like the discussion, but if anyone's seriously interested in trading Noah for the moderate level asset's Phoenix can offer you guys are seriously undervaluing Jo. I honestly see nothing the Suns can offer us that I'd take in exchange for Jo other than say Bledsoe + the better Morris twin + Len, but I'd say I can't see Phoenix doing that and obviously Bledsoe is expendable in our system when Rose comes back, and to a lesser extent Morris with Taj.

That being said, I'm still for Okafor+1st like the rest of you.

Question: Would you guys rather another 1st or Len in the above deal? Obviously Len was just a high draft pick and has big upside, but there are concerns about his health which I can only assume would be exacerbated after such a move due to the downgrade in medical staff from Phx to Chi.

I like Len as a prospect, due to his length and touch around the basket. I know he's currently injured, but I'd rather take him than Waiters in exchange for Deng. Aside from Embiid, I don't know if there are better prospects than Len at Center in the 2014 draft, when healthy.

Also, the Bulls are currently on pace to win 24-28 games for the 2014 season, and trading Deng will solidify that notion. That is enough to losses to land a pick between 4-7

Agreed.. though I'm still really concerned for his health long term. I'm about equal on Waiters/Len tbh.

Equal for me too. I actually like Plumlee as our future backup C but they'd need Noah not Deng and I agree that Noah can get you better assets. I little concerning Len doesn't. Even see the floor though.

[SpinninHouse]

Bulls should take anything in the mid teens for Deng. It's not about finding someone in that spot to take Deng, it's about loading up on what teams actually want...Draft picks.

Deng for a 1st and be done with it. Take the Bulls first (lotto pick) and couple it with the pick you got in the Deng trade and see if you can drum something up or move up.

I wouldn't be too worried about getting a player in return for Deng, that can come later.

It is illegal under the CBA to just trade a player for salary. You need to have salary coming back in the deal too. Having said that, I would Deng for any expiring and any first round pick -- regardless of how high/low it is.

[xpmar9x]

I would love to do:
Deng, Dunleavy, & Teague for Okafor, Goodwin, & MIN 1st

Remaining '13-'14 lineup:
Hinrich (15) - Augustin (30) - Goodwin (3)
Snell (20) - Hinrich (15) - Goodwin (13)
Butler (35) - Snell (13)
Boozer (25) - Gibson (23) - Murphy
Noah (30) - Gibson (10) - Nazr (8)

Wing depth is thin. Might need to pickup another cheap guy that can play SG/SF, just for depth & emergency minutes. Or, we just try and keep Dunleavy... but i'd prefer to give Snell, Goodwin, and Butler as many minutes as possible.

Following year, we amnesty Boozer. We then have:

Rose - Goodwin
Snell - Goodwin
Butler -
Gibson - Mirotic - Murphy
Noah -

As our base core is just $49.3 mil (counting Mirotic as $5mil MLE). We then have CHI 1st & potentially BOBCATs 1st & MIN 1st. Best case scenario is we land the #1 Pick (CHI 1st), #11 Bobcats 1st, & #14 MIN 1st. Giving us a lineup of:

Rose - Goodwin - #14
Butler - Snell - Goodwin
Parker - Snell
Gibson - Miro - Murphy
Noah - #11

#dream

[frizzledizzle]

We need expiring and a 1st

PHX is actually not that bad this year though....

That's not really a great pick IMO

And they actually have the Pacers 1st too. Not sure that will be much of a 1st round pick.

[bullslas]

I would love to do:
Deng, Dunleavy, & Teague for Okafor, Goodwin, & MIN 1st

Remaining '13-'14 lineup:
Hinrich (15) - Augustin (30) - Goodwin (3)
Snell (20) - Hinrich (15) - Goodwin (13)
Butler (35) - Snell (13)
Boozer (25) - Gibson (23) - Murphy
Noah (30) - Gibson (10) - Nazr (8)

Wing depth is thin. Might need to pickup another cheap guy that can play SG/SF, just for depth & emergency minutes. Or, we just try and keep Dunleavy... but i'd prefer to give Snell, Goodwin, and Butler as many minutes as possible.

Following year, we amnesty Boozer. We then have:

Rose - Goodwin
Snell - Goodwin
Butler -
Gibson - Mirotic - Murphy
Noah -

As our base core is just $49.3 mil (counting Mirotic as $5mil MLE). We then have CHI 1st & potentially BOBCATs 1st & MIN 1st. Best case scenario is we land the #1 Pick (CHI 1st), #11 Bobcats 1st, & #14 MIN 1st. Giving us a lineup of:

Rose - Goodwin - #14
Butler - Snell - Goodwin
Parker - Snell
Gibson - Miro - Murphy
Noah - #11

#dream

Let's stop "dreaming" about Parker. Why people put him in the lineup, makes no sense to me.

[xpmar9x]

I would love to do:
Deng, Dunleavy, & Teague for Okafor, Goodwin, & MIN 1st

Remaining '13-'14 lineup:
Hinrich (15) - Augustin (30) - Goodwin (3)
Snell (20) - Hinrich (15) - Goodwin (13)
Butler (35) - Snell (13)
Boozer (25) - Gibson (23) - Murphy
Noah (30) - Gibson (10) - Nazr (8)

Wing depth is thin. Might need to pickup another cheap guy that can play SG/SF, just for depth & emergency minutes. Or, we just try and keep Dunleavy... but i'd prefer to give Snell, Goodwin, and Butler as many minutes as possible.

Following year, we amnesty Boozer. We then have:

Rose - Goodwin
Snell - Goodwin
Butler -
Gibson - Mirotic - Murphy
Noah -

As our base core is just $49.3 mil (counting Mirotic as $5mil MLE). We then have CHI 1st & potentially BOBCATs 1st & MIN 1st. Best case scenario is we land the #1 Pick (CHI 1st), #11 Bobcats 1st, & #14 MIN 1st. Giving us a lineup of:

Rose - Goodwin - #14
Butler - Snell - Goodwin
Parker - Snell
Gibson - Miro - Murphy
Noah - #11

#dream

Let's stop "dreaming" about Parker. Why people put him in the lineup, makes no sense to me.

Why? There is still a chance, although very unlikely - it's still a possibility.

Fiiiiiiine, give me Marcus Smart instead. Move Butler to SF. Start Smart at SG.

[bullslas]

I would love to do:
Deng, Dunleavy, & Teague for Okafor, Goodwin, & MIN 1st

Remaining '13-'14 lineup:
Hinrich (15) - Augustin (30) - Goodwin (3)
Snell (20) - Hinrich (15) - Goodwin (13)
Butler (35) - Snell (13)
Boozer (25) - Gibson (23) - Murphy
Noah (30) - Gibson (10) - Nazr (8)

Wing depth is thin. Might need to pickup another cheap guy that can play SG/SF, just for depth & emergency minutes. Or, we just try and keep Dunleavy... but i'd prefer to give Snell, Goodwin, and Butler as many minutes as possible.

Following year, we amnesty Boozer. We then have:

Rose - Goodwin
Snell - Goodwin
Butler -
Gibson - Mirotic - Murphy
Noah -

As our base core is just $49.3 mil (counting Mirotic as $5mil MLE). We then have CHI 1st & potentially BOBCATs 1st & MIN 1st. Best case scenario is we land the #1 Pick (CHI 1st), #11 Bobcats 1st, & #14 MIN 1st. Giving us a lineup of:

Rose - Goodwin - #14
Butler - Snell - Goodwin
Parker - Snell
Gibson - Miro - Murphy
Noah - #11

#dream

Let's stop "dreaming" about Parker. Why people put him in the lineup, makes no sense to me.

Why? There is still a chance, although very unlikely - it's still a possibility.

Fiiiiiiine, give me Marcus Smart instead. Move Butler to SF. Start Smart at SG.

Much better.

[xpmar9x]

Let's stop "dreaming" about Parker. Why people put him in the lineup, makes no sense to me.

Why? There is still a chance, although very unlikely - it's still a possibility.

Fiiiiiiine, give me Marcus Smart instead. Move Butler to SF. Start Smart at SG.

Much better.

Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, & Randle all could go before him, with the potential of LaVine & Exum (although I few those two as unlikely to pass Smart). So if we landed the 5th pick, which is very possible, we could land Marcus Smart. He'd honestly be perfect.

He's 6'4, so can play SG (although slightly undersized). However, I see James Harden in Smart. Bulls need a second ball handler, additional 3PT threat, and somebody who can create their own offense... well Smart does all 3. Perfect.

[JDLAW]

I would love to do:
Deng, Dunleavy, & Teague for Okafor, Goodwin, & MIN 1st

I am sure you would and I am sure the Bulls would. Suns would laugh at this. There is nothing of value here for the Suns and they give up a first and a rookie whom they value very highly for a 1/2 year of Deng who has an achilles problem. Dunleavy and Teague, one of whom would have to be released, have no value whatsoever for the Suns.

[RedBulls23]

It is illegal under the CBA to just trade a player for salary. You need to have salary coming back in the deal too. Having said that, I would Deng for any expiring and any first round pick -- regardless of how high/low it is.

If Phoenix is far enough under the cap (I think they are), they can just absorb Deng's contract for a draft pick. We would be left with a TPE for the rest of this season. That is how we were able to trade Korver without any salary coming back in the trade.