Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1641 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:22 pm

humblebum wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
humblebum wrote:

Then you aren't getting your star. This isn't the Lakers we're talking about here.. LeBron, Durant, CP3, Love, George, Westbrook, Harden, Howard, Aldridge, Griffin, Anthon Davis and Hibbert aren't coming for Jeff Freakin Green and picks. There's 29 other teams in the league that can make deals too. Hence the best option may be to clear cap space for a star..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1642 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:03 pm

humblebum wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
humblebum wrote:
The owners are footing the bill which is what really counts from Ainge's perspective as he works for the owners. So looking at the deal and salary slots, by doing the deal with Hump or Bogans money then you're left with Lee/Bass in support of the offensively anemic duo of Rondo/Asik with Green/Sullinger as your top scorers. You could make that work if you nailed the draft and made a couple key signings/trades But you're likely looking at a lengthier process of rebuilding which could lead to a Rondo departure.

My idea is to free yourself from Lee/Bass salary (or at least Bass/Bogans) and sweeten the pot with better picks/Olynyk. I'd rather do Lee/Bass/top 10 protected 2014 Celtics pick or Olynyk/Clips pick vs. Craw/Hump/Clips pick.

The main reason being that you need that financial and cap flexibility in order to make your next three big moves securing AB, keeping your 6th man in Craw, and most importantly getting yourself a star player and hopefully #1 weapon offensively.

Still need a rim protector after all those moves. It's MUCH easier to find a 6th man. Not sure why you can't comprehend this.

I comprehend just fine. My point is simple. You don't need Asik. You just need someone big who can defend the rim which are guys that can be found on the veteran scrap heap when you're a legit championship contender or cheaply paid rookie scale guys who don't mind throwing their bodies around to get that one big payday.

Asik is one option because he's available but he's hardly the be all end all. You get him if he fits into your plans and you don't have to give up too much in the draft.

I'd much rather have Asik than Ryan Hollins...

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1643 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:12 pm

Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1644 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:19 pm

Yeah they're sh*tting on Green's trade value too for not being able to return Varejao..

Who-rod · Post #1645 » by **Who-rod** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:37 pm

If Bynum could be relied upon, the Cavs would have made that trade.

gocelts · Post #1646 » by **gocelts** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:39 pm

Varejao has 9 mil left tthis year and a team option next....Im guessing he was likely going to Houston...Green is on the hook for 2 more years. The Cavs are dicey trading partner as they dont realy have anything we would need with the execption of Irving.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

Wow, I have no idea what Ainge is doing.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1648 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:13 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

The two-team trade to bring Asik to Boston didn’t work out, but a three-team deal reportedly was in the works before Cleveland backed out. According to Bob Finnan of The News Herald, the Celtics offered Jeff Green to the Cavs to facilitate the trade. It’s not clear what pieces would have gone to Houston in such an exchange, but the Cavs weren’t interested, anyway

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

Wow, I have no idea what Ainge is doing.

They want flexibility.

And Hayward.

Celts17Pride · Post #1649 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:20 am

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does.

WOW! I'm down on Jeff Green but I would never go that far. LOL!

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

Celts17Pride wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does.

WOW! I'm down on Jeff Green but I would never go that far. LOL!

It has gotten crazy

BfB · Post #1651 » by **BfB** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:39 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does.

WOW! I'm down on Jeff Green but I would never go that far. LOL!

It has gotten crazy

Not shocking that his worst 3 game stretch coincides with this trade scenario surfacing.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1652 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:44 am

I wouldn't say Wallace can do what Green does at this stage, but in the grand scheme of things, Jeff Green doesn't matter in the least. He is exactly what we signed him for: a semi-versatile, complementary role player, and not a piece of a rebuilding nucleus. Pretty close to a net neutral player given his contract and usage. More than that, he's softer than puppy **** half of the time. The kind of guy I used to see on other teams in the Big 3 era during playoff games and say, "He ain't wired for this. We'll break him." Doesn't mean I don't root for him or like some of what he can do, but out of all people, Boston fans should know by know the difference between a championship-winning, stone cold killer and what Jeff Green is.

BfB · Post #1653 » by **BfB** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:45 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Well, NESN is reporting that the trade would have went through if Cleveland agreed to take on Jeff Green.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/report-omer-asik-could-have-come-to-celtics-if-cavs-had-wanted-jeff-green-in-three-team-trade/

Honestly, if we didn't give up a pick, I would have been ok with it. Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does. They're redundant pieces.

Wow, I have no idea what Ainge is doing.

They want flexibility.

And Hayward.

What has Hayward done to differentiate himself?

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

BfB wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:Wow, I have no idea what Ainge is doing.

They want flexibility.

And Hayward.

What has Hayward done to differentiate himself?

Let alone be worth the money he wants

Banks2Pierce · Post #1655 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:59 am

Green is miles better than Wallace. He's a 3 and D guy + . The plus is the random takeovers he's able to do once a month or so. And that's got to be worth something in a conference with Paul George, Lebron, and Carmelo. He's shown he can put in a defensive stint against all of those guys at one point. The corner 3(46.2% the last 2 seasons) is going to be a ridiculously effective weapon with Rondo. I'm not a fan of the random minimal effort nights either, but the alternatives at the 3 are generally one sided specialists.

I'd give him up in the right deal, mind you. Just think he's gotten massively undervalued here.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1656 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:00 am

BfB wrote:What has Hayward done to differentiate himself?

Play for Stevens.

But seriously, and I mostly defer to you here, I thought Hayward was a fairly good player according to analytics. Certainly a more dynamic player than Green offensively, if less athletic.

One guy's version of a TENDEX rating here:
http://www.dougstats.com/13-14MainTendexPage.html

Beyond that, as you obviously know, it's a holistic thing. I don't trade Green just to trade him, but depending on the return we got and how it impacts our future possibilities. If we got Varejao and/or a Cavs pick in a trade where we also got Asik and dumped Bass and Lee, and then were able to replace Green in a subsequent move for Hayward, that might be a desirable thing to do.

Rondo
Bradley
Hayward
Sullinger/Olynyk
Asik/Varejao/Faverani

FeedReed · Post #1657 » by **FeedReed** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:24 am

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Gerald Wallace can do what Jeff Green does.

maybe when it comes to inbound passes, that's about it.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1658 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:55 am

Who-rod wrote:If Bynum could be relied upon, the Cavs would have made that trade.

Yeah, Cleveland's pretty much hosed if Bynum goes down. The backup's Tyler Zeller.

Green89 · Post #1659 » by **Green89** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:56 am

If Green's only going to take 9 shots in our toughest games (a la the Indiana game) then deal him now Danny.

tfmiii · Post #1660 » by **tfmiii** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:35 am

you gotta think there is too much to be gained by both teams for this opportunity to just be futzed up over ego... seems a 3rd team is needed... Cleveland once again does not miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, no doubt in order to preserve cap space for LeBron's never-never return. Someone out there will bite,, it may come together a bit more quickly now that there is no longer a bogus deadline to run up to...

ps how cool would it be to unload Bass, Lee and Green in one trade?