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nuposse04 wrote:7. What about Porter? He sucks right now but if you make blanket judgements about a rookie whose missed all of preseason/training camp/1 month of regular season you probably aren't giving him a fair shake.
pancakes3 wrote:nuposse04 wrote:7. What about Porter? He sucks right now but if you make blanket judgements about a rookie whose missed all of preseason/training camp/1 month of regular season you probably aren't giving him a fair shake.
It was just a nonsequitor because I typed about 1000 words about Love and none about Porter in the Porter thread. I wasn't making any qualitative statements about him.
nuposse04 wrote:pancakes3 wrote:1 - Ok, he might not lead the league because of the machine that is Durant but he's going to be in the top 3 year in and year out. By hook, by crook, or by gimme's off offensive rebounds, those buckets count the same.
2 - There's a world's difference between sub-par defender and par defender. Just because Love isn't notable in a particular defensive category, or that he has aspects of the game he's poor at handling doesn't make him a sub-par defender. I think he's average and because he's white people give him the white-guy discount. He's certainly not worse than Dirk defensively and Dirk happens to be quite.... "adequate".
3 - I have a hard time coming up with a 5th guy in the league better than Dwight. I'd only say Lebron, Durant, CP3 and Dwight.
4 - We're certainly not going to just trot out a 2-man squad out there and say "go win us some rings". Our "pieces" to surround him would still be one of Webster/Ariza/Porter, and one of Nene/Gortat. Pair up those two with Wall/Love and it's a beastly squad.
5 - His injury weighs less in my mind than the fact that he dropped tons of baby weight, shows a desire and ability to work on his body and his game, and shows zero rust after his injury, unlike other players who have recently gone down.
6 - I understand getting Love is a pipe dream, but I also think it's petty to downplay other teams' players and pump up our players just because we don't have a shot at signing/trading for them.
7 - Otto Porter, what?
1. I think Durant/Melo and eventually Jabari Parker will have the scoring load on lockdown. I'd be surprised to see Love ever in top 3. Doesn't matter tho, its a nominal title and he still puts in what? 25.5 efficient points. That is still elite.
Wizards’ Otto Porter tastes some fourth quarter minutes in Boston
To ease Otto Porter Jr. into the rotation, Coach Randy Wittman has given the rookie a chance to show what he can do during harmless stretches in the first half or midway in the third quarter; never at a time when the game could potentially slip away.
But that changed on Saturday afternoon in Boston, where Wittman called on Porter to replace Trevor Ariza with 11 minutes 23 seconds left in the fourth quarter with the Wizards trailing by four points. When Porter left the court about five minutes later, the deficit was just six – despite a torrent of buckets from Celtics guard Avery Bradley – and the Wizards were in position to stage a rally that resulted in a 106-99 comeback victory.
“We have to come off the bench and we have to produce, have to give our starters some time to rest and come back in to finish the game,” Porter said. ‘That was my main focus coming in, to try to do as much as I could to keep our team in it.”
“I’ve seen improvement. I’ve seen confidence. I’ve seen him be more active,” Wittman said. “That was as active as he’s been and I can see in his face that he’s getting comfortable. Going out and playing and knowing what he has to do, hopefully he can keep that going.”
When Porter entered the game in the first quarter, he didn’t hesitate to pull up for a midrange jumper after rebounding an errant shot by Celtics center Jared Sullinger. He missed, but wasn’t deterred. Porter later hit a 19-foot jumper from the right side of the hoop early in the second quarter.
“That’s what Coach is telling me: continue to be aggressive, when you get out there, play, and get your confidence back,” said Porter, who is still regaining his form after missing three months with a strained right hip flexor.
Hoops Addict wrote:Jazz fan here.
If MN will trade you Love for Porter.....take it.
Your team has some very good pieces, and with Love your team would be dangerous in the playoffs....maybe make it to the Finals.
Would Minnesota do that trade? If Love demands to go, this trade would be fairly close in Value for each team.
dobrojim wrote:I was most impressed by the second bucket he made vs Bos.
It wasn't an easy shot but he put it in smoothly. Very fluid
and a nice 'basketball play'.
He is looking more comfy on the court which right now should
be his first goal if you believe he will have to rely on smarts/BBIQ
more than athleticism, a belief that I don't entirely share.
He still has some physical development that ideally needs
to happen but he's not Adam Morrisey or some such player.
He's only 20 and should be able to gain strength.
Upper Decker wrote:December 27, 2013
Greek freak 16/10/3/1
Otto"nba ready" Porter 2/0/1/1
Dark Faze wrote:Do people not remember that even with a training camp Beal looked like one of the worst players to ever lace em up the first couple months of the year?
The kid was literally shooting like sub 30 from deep, had zero handles whatsoever and showed no offensive ability at all. The only thing he looked reasonably decent at was defense.
Yea, Porter basically just looks like a guy out there and his defense looks meh, but I like his quick jumpshot and off the ball ability. He looks like a high IQ guy--just hasn't gotten the chance to show much.
With the injuries going on we'll hopefully see much more of him so he can get his legs under him.
Dark Faze wrote:Do people not remember that even with a training camp Beal looked like one of the worst players to ever lace em up the first couple months of the year?
The kid was literally shooting like sub 30 from deep, had zero handles whatsoever and showed no offensive ability at all. The only thing he looked reasonably decent at was defense.
Yea, Porter basically just looks like a guy out there and his defense looks meh, but I like his quick jumpshot and off the ball ability. He looks like a high IQ guy--just hasn't gotten the chance to show much.
With the injuries going on we'll hopefully see much more of him so he can get his legs under him.
Upper Decker wrote:Dark Faze wrote:Do people not remember that even with a training camp Beal looked like one of the worst players to ever lace em up the first couple months of the year?
The kid was literally shooting like sub 30 from deep, had zero handles whatsoever and showed no offensive ability at all. The only thing he looked reasonably decent at was defense.
Yea, Porter basically just looks like a guy out there and his defense looks meh, but I like his quick jumpshot and off the ball ability. He looks like a high IQ guy--just hasn't gotten the chance to show much.
With the injuries going on we'll hopefully see much more of him so he can get his legs under him.
Porter and Beal aren't remotely synonymous. Beal was bad when he first started out, but he wasn't invisible, like Porter has been. Within Beal's first four games he had a 22/4/2/2 game against Milwaukee. Beal was bad but at least had some sort of impact. Porter is providing nothing, no offense, no defense, no hustle, zero. What scary is if you look at Porters game log:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01/gamelog/2014/
Then compare it to the beginning of Joe Alexander's rookie season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alexajo01/gamelog/2009/
I'm willing to eat crow but he's looking like a colossal bust in the making. It's unfolding right before our eyes.
Dat2U wrote:Upper Decker wrote:Dark Faze wrote:Do people not remember that even with a training camp Beal looked like one of the worst players to ever lace em up the first couple months of the year?
The kid was literally shooting like sub 30 from deep, had zero handles whatsoever and showed no offensive ability at all. The only thing he looked reasonably decent at was defense.
Yea, Porter basically just looks like a guy out there and his defense looks meh, but I like his quick jumpshot and off the ball ability. He looks like a high IQ guy--just hasn't gotten the chance to show much.
With the injuries going on we'll hopefully see much more of him so he can get his legs under him.
Porter and Beal aren't remotely synonymous. Beal was bad when he first started out, but he wasn't invisible, like Porter has been. Within Beal's first four games he had a 22/4/2/2 game against Milwaukee. Beal was bad but at least had some sort of impact. Porter is providing nothing, no offense, no defense, no hustle, zero. What scary is if you look at Porters game log:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01/gamelog/2014/
Then compare it to the beginning of Joe Alexander's rookie season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alexajo01/gamelog/2009/
I'm willing to eat crow but he's looking like a colossal bust in the making. It's unfolding right before our eyes.
No summer league. Hardly any offseason work. No training camp. No preseason. Didn't start practicing until this month. Chill Out!
Can't compare him to Beal.... Beal had a full summer league, offseason, training camp & preseason. It simply isn't fair to judge him based on spot minutes here and there when he's so far behind the 8ball in terms of simply being in ideal shape. It's going to take a while to get up to speed.
Mind you, I'm not against moving him... but your going a little to overboard on the bashing. The player your seeing right now isn't the guy you'd see 2-3 months from now.
mhd wrote:Dat2U wrote:Upper Decker wrote:Porter and Beal aren't remotely synonymous. Beal was bad when he first started out, but he wasn't invisible, like Porter has been. Within Beal's first four games he had a 22/4/2/2 game against Milwaukee. Beal was bad but at least had some sort of impact. Porter is providing nothing, no offense, no defense, no hustle, zero. What scary is if you look at Porters game log:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01/gamelog/2014/
Then compare it to the beginning of Joe Alexander's rookie season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alexajo01/gamelog/2009/
I'm willing to eat crow but he's looking like a colossal bust in the making. It's unfolding right before our eyes.
No summer league. Hardly any offseason work. No training camp. No preseason. Didn't start practicing until this month. Chill Out!
Can't compare him to Beal.... Beal had a full summer league, offseason, training camp & preseason. It simply isn't fair to judge him based on spot minutes here and there when he's so far behind the 8ball in terms of simply being in ideal shape. It's going to take a while to get up to speed.
Mind you, I'm not against moving him... but your going a little to overboard on the bashing. The player your seeing right now isn't the guy you'd see 2-3 months from now.
Dat, Porter looked HORRIBLE in SL. Trey Burke was injured for a prolong period just as Porter has been, and he's been FANTASTIC since he came back. Porter looks horrible, and has done nothing on the court. You think Porter could even do what Rice did in the D-league? I'm telling you, Rice has much more potential than Porter does, and Rice should be the young SF to hold onto.
Porter is Thomas Robinson 2.0 as a bust. Trade him while you can.
Dat2U wrote:mhd wrote:Dat2U wrote:
No summer league. Hardly any offseason work. No training camp. No preseason. Didn't start practicing until this month. Chill Out!
Can't compare him to Beal.... Beal had a full summer league, offseason, training camp & preseason. It simply isn't fair to judge him based on spot minutes here and there when he's so far behind the 8ball in terms of simply being in ideal shape. It's going to take a while to get up to speed.
Mind you, I'm not against moving him... but your going a little to overboard on the bashing. The player your seeing right now isn't the guy you'd see 2-3 months from now.
Dat, Porter looked HORRIBLE in SL. Trey Burke was injured for a prolong period just as Porter has been, and he's been FANTASTIC since he came back. Porter looks horrible, and has done nothing on the court. You think Porter could even do what Rice did in the D-league? I'm telling you, Rice has much more potential than Porter does, and Rice should be the young SF to hold onto.
Porter is Thomas Robinson 2.0 as a bust. Trade him while you can.
Did you see how bad Burke looked in summer league? And he played the whole time. Porter played what? A game and some change.
Look, I'm right in middle. I'm worried enough that I'd quietly listen to offers but I also know the player I looked at closely for two years will be a lot better than he's showing us now. I seriously doubt he's Joe Alexander sized type bust. His b-ball IQ is too high for that.
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