2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[DirtyDez]

Marcus + IND + for Thad sounds good.

You do that deal and Markieff's production goes down the tubes.

Because his minutes would be limited or he's too mentally fragile to play without his brother?

I'd rather have the Morri over Thad, TBH. I'm reading what I wrote and it sounds ridiculous but for some reason I really feel that way.

Like I said in my other post; When they work Len back everyone else's minutes will go down. I'd rather keep Frye at his current pace and give Thad the twin's minutes. So technically it would be both twins instead of Marcus/picks.

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic, Green
Tucker, Young
Young, Frye
Plumlee, Frye/Len (probably 10-15 mpg for Len)

[LukasBMW]

Someone want to tell me why Thaddeus Young is better then Markieff?

Kieff has had some games (and weeks...remember November?) where he has looked like an all-star. His problem is he is not consistent.

Looking at Young's game logs, he seems to have the same problem. Plus he plays in the WEAK eastern conference.

If we are going to move assets, I'd rather us target a proven superstar.

At 220 pounds, he is also kinda lean for a power forward.

[JMac1]

Someone want to tell me why Thaddeus Young is better then Markieff?

Kieff has had some games (and weeks...remember November?) where he has looked like an all-star. His problem is he is not consistent.

Looking at Young's game logs, he seems to have the same problem. Plus he plays in the WEAK eastern conference.

If we are going to move assets, I'd rather us target a proven superstar.

At 220 pounds, he is also kinda lean for a power forward.

Edit: Better off the dribble, better in transition and better defensively. All around better player.....more dynamic.

[DirtyDez]

Let Len get 100% and build strength for next year. Trade the twins and a pick for Young/Hawes. Our athleticism/spacing would be a nightmare in the playoffs. Hawes expires and Len is ready to roll come next season.

[INFORMER-93]

It's just tough to know if Hinkie would value the Morris bros.

Hinkie was part of the front office that originally drafted Marcus.

[INFORMER-93]

Someone want to tell me why Thaddeus Young is better then Markieff?

Kieff has had some games (and weeks...remember November?) where he has looked like an all-star. His problem is he is not consistent.

Looking at Young's game logs, he seems to have the same problem. Plus he plays in the WEAK eastern conference.

If we are going to move assets, I'd rather us target a proven superstar.

At 220 pounds, he is also kinda lean for a power forward.

Edit: Better off the dribble, better in transition and better defensively. All around better player.....more dynamic.

Exactly. I'm not sure how anyone could think Markieff Morris is as good as Thaddeus Young, let alone better.

[INFORMER-93]

Plus he plays in the WEAK eastern conference.

His last five games, in which he has averaged 26 ppg, have all been against Western Conference teams.

[NapoleonII]

The twins aren't going anywhere.

[jredsaz]

The differnce in salaries next year between the twins and young is only 2-3 million. Something that McD and Babs have always maintained is an important aspect in any trade they make.

Young/Deng/Gasol are all players I would look at closer to the deadline IF Love is still off the table and we are still in contention for a playoff run.

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[Frank Lee]

It's just tough to know if Hinkie would value the Morris bros.

Hinkie was part of the front office that originally drafted Marcus.

And Thad Young's agent (Jim Tanner) is from Lon Babby's old firm, or at least, has all of Lon's former clients.
Hmmmm ...

and aren't the MoBro's from Philly?


A lot of meat on this trade rumor bone.

[nevetsov]

One of our biggest problems right now is we struggle against big, imposing frontlines (Memphis, Sac are good examples). The flip side to playing lean and athletic PFs vs powerful PFs, perhaps.

I fail to see how Thad Young would be better suited to combat this problem than say Kieff or Frye. He's smaller and weighs much less. For example, if Frye and Kieff get dominated by guys like Z-Bo, how will subbing in Thad be any better?

Sure he may be a better scorer but we don't really seem to need that right now (unless we're talking go-to interior guy, which he's not).

I still maintain the PF rotation we run should remain untouched as it's an integral cog in our system. Any upgrade we make should come at the C position - basically a Plumlee 2.0 with a bit more size and a bit more meat on his bones.

[nevetsov]

Also, I don't like the prospect of having a 6'8 PF bench guy as the highest paid player on my team... But maybe that's just me.

[LukasBMW]

Exactly. I'm not sure how anyone could think Markieff Morris is as good as Thaddeus Young, let alone better.

I know jack-sh*t about Thaddeus. Rather then pretend to know, I simply asked: Why is he bettter?

Looking at his stats, game logs, and highlights, I wondered if this guy (who has never even been an allstar) would be a better replacement for the guy that has assumed the role of enforcer, 6th man, and can put up 20/10 in any given night.

I'm still not sold he's worth trading for. Only if he is cheap.

[DirtyDez]

Also, I don't like the prospect of having a 6'8 PF bench guy as the highest paid player on my team... But maybe that's just me.

He starts from day one here. We'd have 2/3 of Plumlee/Frye/Young on the court almost all the time and he can play SF.

Also his reach and wingspan are longer than Kieff's (and his measurements were taken at 19, Kieff 21) plus he's far more athletic where Kieff is limited. ZBO went AROUND some our bigs the other night. The Twins have pretty limited foot-speed and kinda just roam around but they're solid so either way we're good.

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic (Green)
Tucker/Young
Young/Frye
Plumlee/Frye

Frye would still get close to 30mpg with Young playing some SF. Plus only OKC is that athletic IMO...

[INFORMER-93]

One of our biggest problems right now is we struggle against big, imposing frontlines (Memphis, Sac are good examples). The flip side to playing lean and athletic PFs vs powerful PFs, perhaps.

I fail to see how Thad Young would be better suited to combat this problem than say Kieff or Frye. He's smaller and weighs much less. For example, if Frye and Kieff get dominated by guys like Z-Bo, how will subbing in Thad be any better?

Sure he may be a better scorer but we don't really seem to need that right now (unless we're talking go-to interior guy, which he's not).

I still maintain the PF rotation we run should remain untouched as it's an integral cog in our system. Any upgrade we make should come at the C position - basically a Plumlee 2.0 with a bit more size and a bit more meat on his bones.

I don't think you make this trade to solve any perceived issue at the 4. And I don't think you make a trade just with this season in mind.

You trade for Thaddeus Young to have better core to build around as you try to contend. Whoever you can peg is the third best player on this roster is not better than Thaddeus Young. That is why you trade for him.

And Young is not just a PF.

[Frank Lee]

I don't think you make this trade to solve any perceived issue at the 4. And I don't think you make a trade just with this season in mind.

You trade for Thaddeus Young to have better core to build around as you try to contend.

Gotta agree I-93

If you get a chance to get an up and comer like Young, who fits the criteria of the team... athletic, offensive, long... you do it. This is one of those long term moves McDo has outlined.

I'd be surprised if it goes down, unless Philly has draft fever real bad.

[Qwigglez]

I'm not really sure the type of player Young is TBH. I'm gonna look up some videos of him right now...

[Ring_Wanted]

I'd expect two inmediate effects if the Suns trade for Young, assuming the Twins were the ones going to Philly (plus Indiana's pick/Archie, I guess):

Frist, Frye absorbs the backup minutes left for the PF (plus the time Young spent at SF) and C (minus an eventual Len). Sounds good to me. Maybe lacks some muscle, but I can live with it. I don't know if Young would be coming off the bench, but I'd try it.

Second, at SF it would be Young and Green who take the backup minutes to PJ. We'd be losing Marcus' handle and 3pt. This is something I wouldn't undervalue, especially if Bledsoe is out. I'm loving Green, but I don't want the ball on his hands for any other thing than shooting and dunking.

Would be a nice challenge for Hornacek if it happened.

[TASTIC]

BOOM. How's this mother for creativity!

We don't give up any of our core or young talent.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mzuphco

We'd need to send IND pick and maybe LAL 2015 pick to Philly...But I love our line-up/possibilities going forward.

CLE 'give up' on Bennett, but get really nice value/vet talent for him that really makes them strong in the East.

LAL's tank is in full effect, they probably need a pick too. Or possible send Wroten to them...He's a nice combo guard that could fit D'Antoni's system.

PHI get a nice juicy expiring as well as the #1 pick and a decent young PF/rotation player.

Suns:
Dragic / Ish / Barbosa
Bledsoe / Green / Goodwin
TYoung / Tucker / Marcus
Frye / Kieff
Plumlee / JHill / Krav

So many options there and we solve our defensive rebounding with Hill coming back to Az. Not to mention we keep 3 of our picks this year...I suspect LA land a top tier FA/Kobe comes back with a vengeance next year so I can't see that 2015 pick being THAT good...

[DRK]

Cleveland laugh and hang up the phone. We know their FO is (Please Use More Appropriate Word), but they're not (Please Use More Appropriate Word) enough to trade both young big prospect forwards. Who will be their starting PF?