Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

[Merc_Porto]

This is way better.

T. Wolves get : T. Gibson / L. Deng / J. Butler / N. Mirotic / Chicago pick / Charlotte pick.

Bulls get : K. Love / K. Martin / A. Shved

Over that Warriors offer? No way.

A lot better then the Warriors.

Mirotic - Top 5 righ now. between european players.
Deng - Defense, all the way. And a great player.
Gibson - This guy is realy good.
Butler - A future superstar.

And the 2 draft picks, should be a top 20 in 2014 is amazing.

That deal wold be amazing, Nobody as better assets then the Bulls to get Kevin Love... My opinion.

[Mattya]

This is way better.

T. Wolves get : T. Gibson / L. Deng / J. Butler / N. Mirotic / Chicago pick / Charlotte pick.

Bulls get : K. Love / K. Martin / A. Shved

Over that Warriors offer? No way.

A lot better then the Warriors.

Mirotic - Top 5 righ now. between european players.
Deng - Defense, all the way. And a great player.
Gibson - This guy is realy good.
Butler - A future superstar.

And the 2 draft picks, should be a top 20 in 2014 is amazing.

That deal wold be amazing, Nobody as better assets then the Bulls to get Kevin Love... My opinion.

Mirotic is believed to only want to play for a big market team. Maybe it is like the Ricky Rubio talk before he came here, but that kills his value to us. Deng is good, but at the price to keep him, what good would he do to a team that would be rebuilding? Gibson and Butler are good, but Butler is not a future superstar. I'd take the Warriors package over the Bulls package, easy.

[Merc_Porto]

What about the 2 draft picks. If Butler is not a future superstar. H.Barnes is not a future supertar either. Lee is a solid player, but nothing more. And K.thompson is a shooter. Period. How the hell that trade is better ?

I respect your opinion. But...

[Mattya]

But what?

I never claimed Barnes was going to be a superstar like you were trying to do with Butler. Lee is a Kevin Love lite. Klay Thompson is one of the best shooters in the league, period. It's better because the proven young talent is better.

[shrink]

What about the 2 draft picks. If Butler is not a future superstar. H.Barnes is not a future supertar either. Lee is a solid player, but nothing more. And K.thompson is a shooter. Period. How the hell that trade is better ?

I respect your opinion. But...

Check the Love trade thread. CHI package is about rebuild, GSW's is about reload.

MIN's leadership and finances are built for reload.

[Merc_Porto]

Your awser was perfect, the how little you get in that package.

Mirotic - young
Butler- young
Gibson - is not better then Lee, but is not a lot worst. And Lee is overpayd.
And you get Deng (an all star).

And 2 draft picks in amazing 2014 draft. That is a better future.

[Mattya]

Your awser was perfect, the how little you get in that package.

Mirotic - young
Butler- young
Gibson - is not better then Lee, but is not a lot worst. And Lee is overpayd.
And you get Deng (an all star).

And 2 draft picks in amazing 2014 draft. That is a better future.

Mirotic - may never come to the Wolves
Butler- agreed
Gibson - agreed
Deng - good, but you are going to be paying him probably close to what Pekovic is making. So overpaid.

and 2 draft picks one in the top 10 and one in the late teens. Give me the better young proven players over what the draft picks could bring us.

[C.lupus]

Your awser was perfect, the how little you get in that package.

Mirotic - young
Butler- young
Gibson - is not better then Lee, but is not a lot worst. And Lee is overpayd.
And you get Deng (an all star).

And 2 draft picks in amazing 2014 draft. That is a better future.

Yes but Deng is a free agent at the end of the season which lowers his value considerably and you are also giving up Martin in that deal. They are both decent deals. The Chicago deal is better if Deng agrees to a reasonable contract, worse if he leaves for nothing.

[Merc_Porto]

Mirotic - may never come to the Wolves ???

I am european, i don´t get a lot of NBA rules, if the Wolves trade with bulls the rights of Mirotic, how he may never come to the Wolves ? He can do that ?

[Mattya]

Your awser was perfect, the how little you get in that package.

Mirotic - young
Butler- young
Gibson - is not better then Lee, but is not a lot worst. And Lee is overpayd.
And you get Deng (an all star).

And 2 draft picks in amazing 2014 draft. That is a better future.

Yes but Deng is a free agent at the end of the season which lowers his value considerably and you are also giving up Martin in that deal. They are both decent deals. The Chicago deal is better if Deng agrees to a reasonable contract, worse if he leaves for nothing.

and even worse if we have to overpay him.

[Mattya]

Mirotic - may never come to the Wolves ???

I am european, i don´t get a lot of NBA rules, if the Wolves trade with bulls the rights of Mirotic, how he may never come to the Wolves ? He can do that ?

Just because you own a player's rights, doesn't mean he is required to play basketball for your team. Fran Vasquez is the prime example.

[The J Rocka]

Your awser was perfect, the how little you get in that package.

Mirotic - young
Butler- young
Gibson - is not better then Lee, but is not a lot worst. And Lee is overpayd.
And you get Deng (an all star).

And 2 draft picks in amazing 2014 draft. That is a better future.

So trading the best PF in the game for a foreign prospect (could be solid or bust, you never know with overseas talent) + two solid starting caliber role players + damaged expiring + two unknown picks that will more than likely not be in the lottery.

Kind of using the used car salesman approach with this package. I've seen worse proposals but this one is pretty much for the Bulls to toss any kind of leftover chips to form a big 3 with Rose/Love/Noah while the Wolves lose their only legitimate scoring threat that more than likely won't be replicated in the future with these prospects. Risk isn't worth it.

I'd rather invest in known commodities such as Barnes/Thompson over Butler/Mirotic. Deng is expiring that will more than likely leave while Lee is still locked in for a couple more seasons. 19/8 all-star PF replacement isn't too shabby.

[Merc_Porto]

Mirotic - may never come to the Wolves ???

I am european, i don´t get a lot of NBA rules, if the Wolves trade with bulls the rights of Mirotic, how he may never come to the Wolves ? He can do that ?

Just because you own a player's rights, doesn't mean he is required to play basketball for your team. Fran Vasquez is the prime example.

But this is unlikely to happen. And, if we heve to pay about 12/13 M$ for year for Deng. I don´t think that is too much. Worst is the David Lee contract.

[Mattya]

Mirotic - may never come to the Wolves ???

I am european, i don´t get a lot of NBA rules, if the Wolves trade with bulls the rights of Mirotic, how he may never come to the Wolves ? He can do that ?

Just because you own a player's rights, doesn't mean he is required to play basketball for your team. Fran Vasquez is the prime example.

But this is unlikely to happen. And, if we heve to pay about 12/13 M$ for year for Deng. I don´t think that is too much. Worst is the David Lee contract.

How is it unlikely to happen when the rumors have been around for years now. If Deng wants more than 10 per year then it is a no go.

[Merc_Porto]

Your awser was perfect, the how little you get in that package.

Mirotic - young
Butler- young
Gibson - is not better then Lee, but is not a lot worst. And Lee is overpayd.
And you get Deng (an all star).

And 2 draft picks in amazing 2014 draft. That is a better future.

So trading the best PF in the game for a foreign prospect (could be solid or bust, you never know with overseas talent) + two solid starting caliber role players + damaged expiring + two unknown picks that will more than likely not be in the lottery.

Kind of using the used car salesman approach with this package. I've seen worse proposals but this one is pretty much for the Bulls to toss any kind of leftover chips to form a big 3 with Rose/Love/Noah while the Wolves lose their only legitimate scoring threat that more than likely won't be replicated in the future with these prospects. Risk isn't worth it.

I'd rather invest in known commodities such as Barnes/Thompson over Butler/Mirotic. Deng is expiring that will more than likely leave while Lee is still locked in for a couple more seasons. 19/8 all-star PF replacement isn't too shabby.

I get the doubts about Mirotic. But he looks really good. But european basketball is one thing, and the nba is another thing. I get it.

But T.Gibson is capable of doing the same then David Lee with a better contract. Provaly is just me, but i dont get it how people saying that D.Lee is that good. For me is overrated a lot.

[Merc_Porto]

And by the way, im not saying that the Warriors deal is bad, i thinks is good too.

I just think that a Bulls deal would be better.

[dunkonu21]

Pek isn't a PF. He would have to be moved as well.

Pek is quick enough to guard most PFs and the ones he can't we could have Val guard. I don't see how him being a PF on offense would be a disadvantage (especially with his improved jumper). You have to look outside of the box.

[shrink]

I don't know how much MIN values Mirotic, but keep in mind that we traded away his rights for second rounders and cash on draft night.

[AQuintus]

Why would any GM trade an MVP candidate if not forced to?

Well, everyone assumes that the trade will happen because the Wolves are forced. If Love makes it clear that he won't resign with Minnesota, then Minnesota is better off trading him asap, since the offers will only get worse as his impending unrestricted free agency gets closer.

[Klomp]

I don't know how much MIN values Mirotic, but keep in mind that KAHN traded away his rights for second rounders and cash on draft night.

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