Bradley Beal - Part II

Nivek · Post #481 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:23 pm

There is nothing about Beal's performance that would warrant Grunfeld being fired. Beal is young and talented, was a good pick where he was chosen, and is likely to have a long and productive NBA career.

That said, Grunfeld deserves to be fired because of the team's record during his decade at the helm.

hands11 · Post #482 » by **hands11** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:12 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6580/bradley-beal

Real nice game by Beal. Really like the 9 rebounds 8 assists and 1 block. That's impressive. Hopefully he does more of this kind of thing.

TGW · Post #483 » by **TGW** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:41 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:All of the Harden speculation has come back because Beal has struggled recently?

I know, right? Beal being in a slump somehow equals "fire Ernie".

Yea that's it, that's the only reason Grunfeld should be fired. :roll:

Darko Miliminutes · Post #484 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:50 pm

When's the minute restriction over?

Dark Faze · Post #485 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:33 pm

Darko Miliminutes wrote:When's the minute restriction over?

Not until March at the earliest if they are smart.

jivelikenice · Post #486 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:49 pm

There's really no reason to lift it because Wittman will run him into the ground. I'd maybe increase it to 32-25 minutes at some point but no further. They need to be smart and get a backup capable of filling in for those 15 minutes and playing at a high level occasionally (i.e. Neal)

DCZards · Post #487 » by **DCZards** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:51 pm

jivelikenice wrote:There's really no reason to lift it because Wittman will run him into the ground. I'd maybe increase it to 32-25 minutes at some point but no further. They need to be smart and get a backup capable of filling in for those 15 minutes and playing at a high level occasionally (i.e. Neal)

I agree. I'm in no rush to see them lift the cap. Kid needs to get fully healthy and that will never happen if he goes back to playing the kind of minute he was playing earlier in this season. Plus players, especially young players, can sometimes learn a lot by just sitting on the bench and watching.

verbal8 · Post #488 » by **verbal8** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:55 pm

It looks like Beal is on the initial Team USA roster(and apparently Wall is not):

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ial-Roster

jivelikenice · Post #489 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:13 pm

This is nitpciking, but something about Beal is irkng me with his post game comments. He's had I think what you'd have to call a disappointing 2nd year. I don't think it affects my long-term view of him at all but I'm just pointing that out. His 3 pt% is up but his overall fg% is the same, he's getting to the ft line less than last year, and as we all know he's taking too many long twos.

Yesterday he was critical of 1 on 1 ball and I think you'd have to say he was directing some of that at John. I don't think it was in an inappropriate manner at all, but nonetheless that is what he was doing. Brad still managed 16 fg attempts in 30 minutes (and needed 16 attempts to score 14). He's been a big factor in numerous losses where he shot a lot, shot poorly, and took bad shots. Brad is averaging 14.5 fg attempts per game in 28 minutes. When you're 2-14 and talk about having amnesia, you shouldn't follow it up with critical comments when a teammate has a bad game - especially when that teammate is one of the 2-3 players on this team who's actually been playing near their potential this season.

Youheardme90 · Post #490 » by **Youheardme90** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:32 pm

jivelikenice wrote:This is nitpciking, but something about Beal is irkng me with his post game comments. He's had I think what you'd have to call a disappointing 2nd year. I don't think it affects my long-term view of him at all but I'm just pointing that out. His 3 pt% is up but his overall fg% is the same, he's getting to the ft line less than last year, and as we all know he's taking too many long twos.

Yesterday he was critical of 1 on 1 ball and I think you'd have to say he was directing some of that at John. I don't think it was in an inappropriate manner at all, but nonetheless that is what he was doing. Brad still managed 16 fg attempts in 30 minutes (and needed 16 attempts to score 14). He's been a big factor in numerous losses where he shot a lot, shot poorly, and took bad shots. Brad is averaging 14.5 fg attempts per game in 28 minutes. When you're 2-14 and talk about having amnesia, you shouldn't follow it up with critical comments when a teammate has a bad game - especially when that teammate is one of the 2-3 players on this team who's actually been playing near their potential this season.

How do you feel about Beal`s body language?

Darko Miliminutes · Post #491 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:22 pm

jivelikenice wrote:This is nitpciking, but something about Beal is irkng me with his post game comments. He's had I think what you'd have to call a disappointing 2nd year. I don't think it affects my long-term view of him at all but I'm just pointing that out. His 3 pt% is up but his overall fg% is the same, he's getting to the ft line less than last year, and as we all know he's taking too many long twos.

Yesterday he was critical of 1 on 1 ball and I think you'd have to say he was directing some of that at John. I don't think it was in an inappropriate manner at all, but nonetheless that is what he was doing. Brad still managed 16 fg attempts in 30 minutes (and needed 16 attempts to score 14). He's been a big factor in numerous losses where he shot a lot, shot poorly, and took bad shots. Brad is averaging 14.5 fg attempts per game in 28 minutes. When you're 2-14 and talk about having amnesia, you shouldn't follow it up with critical comments when a teammate has a bad game - especially when that teammate is one of the 2-3 players on this team who's actually been playing near their potential this season.

Beal is the sharp shooter with the beautiful shooting stroke though. I like him shooting a ton. And it seems i am in the minority, but i'm looking forward to him getting back towards 40 mins per. He plays better...stays in rhythm, or something.

And Wall does get that hero-ball mentality going a bit too often. He shoots too much. He truly could be elite if he stuck to the pass first floor general role. While his jump shooting steadily improves, instead of trying to shoot/fix it 15-20 fga's a game.

tontoz · Post #492 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:42 pm

An image of a glass house pops into my head for some reason.

hands11 · Post #493 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:26 pm

DCZards wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:There's really no reason to lift it because Wittman will run him into the ground. I'd maybe increase it to 32-25 minutes at some point but no further. They need to be smart and get a backup capable of filling in for those 15 minutes and playing at a high level occasionally (i.e. Neal)

I agree. I'm in no rush to see them lift the cap. Kid needs to get fully healthy and that will never happen if he goes back to playing the kind of minute he was playing earlier in this season. Plus players, especially young players, can sometimes learn a lot by just sitting on the bench and watching.

Agreed, don't lift the limit. Many games of 30 mins or less is better then him going in and out injured.

Darko Miliminutes · Post #494 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:41 pm

I understand a lot of you guys are against him going over 30 mins per. This isn't about opinions though. Has there been any official timeline for when this minute restriction gets lifted?

Dat2U · Post #495 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:28 pm

I really like the 30 minute restriction, it protects Beal against his own coach. One of the better moves by the Wizards organization.

daSwami · Post #496 » by **daSwami** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:11 pm

Dat2U wrote:I really like the 30 minute restriction, it protects Beal against his own coach. One of the better moves by the Wizards organization.

As long as we don't see him sprinting across the Mall with a parachute strapped to his back, it seems smart. They were conservative with Wall's injury last season, too. Maybe the organization is learning from its mistakes. Maybe EG will put himself on a 30-minute (per season) restriction ... wait, nevermind, a lot of damage can be done in 30 minutes.

Higga · Post #497 » by **Higga** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:14 pm

Beal will represent Washington in the Rising Stars challenge.

He should be an All-Star. Looking at #s for SGs on Yahoo Sports, he's #1 in the league among SGs in PPG and RPG, 2nd in APG, 1st in 3p%(not counting Allen Crabbe who plays 5 minutes a game), and 4th in SPG.

Darko Miliminutes · Post #498 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:40 pm

Of course i understand any health concerns/reasons for the 30 min. cap. But i figure there's an end date for these restrictions. I'd just like to see his rhythm not get interrupted, which has become common...even stopped momentum a couple times. Just looking forward i guess. So i'll assume no official timeline has been given.

hands11 · Post #499 » by **hands11** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 1:28 pm

Beal is off the 30 min restriction now.

Played 34 mins last game against OKC in a win at home. Not a great shooting night but he had 4 assists.

Beal hasn't been playing very effectively lately but what I do like that he should do more of is his passing/assists.

Wall seems to have taken the next step in his game. Now its up to Beal to catch up. For me that means less dribbling around and more catch and shoot and more dribble pass to the post. Focus on 3 ball shots, assists and defense. That's how he can play more efficient.

Beal has had 3x 7 and 2x 8 assists games this year. The two 8 assist game has come in the last 7 games :nod:

Post #500 » by **nate33** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 2:36 pm

One of the things that is hurting Beal is that he is now playing with the 2nd unit and serving as the primary scoring option with Wall out. This used to be Nene's job.

It's nice to see that he is improving his ball handling skills and running the pick and roll much better, but overall, during this time, he is mostly taking long 2's. He needs Wall to draw the attention in order to set him up for catch-and-shoot 3's.

Last year, Beal was completely incapable of doing what he is being asked to do now with the second unit. Beal still isn't very good at it, but at least he's not embarrassingly bad at it like last year. Overall, I think Beal has improved his game a fair bit, even if the stats don't show it. The stats don't show it because his role has changed.