Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

DCZards · Post #81 » by **DCZards** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 4:58 pm

Zards have gone from bad to slightly better than mediocre, imo, and the improvement, along with the winning, is obvious and fun to watch. Beats losing by a mile. Is being good (or very good) in the Zards' future? Well, I guess that depends on moves the Zards might make before the trade deadline and during the offseason.

I'd hate to see Ariza traded because he's had a great season and is a joy to watch on defense. He also seems to be someone the younger guys look up to. But Trevor A. may be the Zards most valuable asset from a trade standpoint and with Webster and Porter available to play the 3 into the future, Ariza is the guy I'd be looking to move since he's a free agent and is likely to yield either a decent player or a decent draft pick if traded.

tontoz · Post #82 » by **tontoz** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 5:14 pm

DCZards wrote:Zards have gone from bad to slightly better than mediocre, imo, and the improvement, along with the winning, is obvious and fun to watch. Beats losing by a mile. Is being good (or very good) in the Zards' future? Well, I guess that depends on moves the Zards might make before the trade deadline and during the offseason.

I'd hate to see Ariza traded because he's had a great season and is a joy to watch on defense. He also seems to be someone the younger guys look up to. But Trevor A. may be the Zards most valuable asset from a trade standpoint and with Webster and Porter available to play the 3 into the future, Ariza is the guy I'd be looking to move since he's a free agent and is likely to yield either a decent player or a decent draft pick if traded.

That makes sense from our perspective but i have to wonder if a GM in the last year of his deal will look at it the same way. His recent history suggests he is much more concered about the short term than the long term.

closg00 · Post #83 » by **closg00** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 5:49 pm

tontoz wrote:
DCZards wrote:Zards have gone from bad to slightly better than mediocre, imo, and the improvement, along with the winning, is obvious and fun to watch. Beats losing by a mile. Is being good (or very good) in the Zards' future? Well, I guess that depends on moves the Zards might make before the trade deadline and during the offseason.

I'd hate to see Ariza traded because he's had a great season and is a joy to watch on defense. He also seems to be someone the younger guys look up to. But Trevor A. may be the Zards most valuable asset from a trade standpoint and with Webster and Porter available to play the 3 into the future, Ariza is the guy I'd be looking to move since he's a free agent and is likely to yield either a decent player or a decent draft pick if traded.

That makes sense from our perspective but i have to wonder if a GM in the last year of his deal will look at it the same way. His recent history suggests he is much more concered about the short term than the long term.

Yup, we should always fear what kind of trade Ernie might make.

Kanyewest · Post #84 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 5:56 pm

Nivek wrote:
milellie111 wrote:
Miami and Indiana are also good in a very bad conference.

Correction: Miami and Indiana are good in a very bad conference. The Wizards are not "also" good -- they're mediocre in a very bad conference.

The Wizards have beaten good teams in the western conference, Oklahoma, Portland, Golden State, Phoenix etc.

True. But, they've also lost to bad teams in the Eastern Conference: Cleveland, Detroit (2x), Milwaukee, Philadelphia, as well as a loss a bad Western Conference team: Utah. And they've lost twice to the thoroughly mediocre Toronto Raptors (which is also in a very bad conference).

Why gee, if we look at the team in a balanced and realistic way (instead of merely cherrypicking the things that look/sound good), it would appear that the team is average. Not good, not bad -- just right in the middle.

And, that's an improvement. It's more fun to watch the team this season. It'll be enjoyable to see them in the playoffs again. But they aren't "good." They're not "bad" either. They're mediocre.

The Raptors are actually above average since the Rudy Gay trade.

DCZards · Post #85 » by **DCZards** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 6:01 pm

closg00 wrote:Yup, we should always fear what kind of trade Ernie might make.

I understand the doubts and jokes about EG's trades but right now the most significant and controversial (at least on this board) trade he's made in the last couple of years--Ariza/Oakfor(Gortat)--is helping the Zards win games and giving Wall and the other younuns' an important taste of success. On top of that, a lot of posters apparently wouldn't mind seeing Ariza and Gortat resigned.

Kanyewest · Post #86 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 6:14 pm

DCZards wrote:Zards have gone from bad to slightly better than mediocre, imo, and the improvement, along with the winning, is obvious and fun to watch. Beats losing by a mile. Is being good (or very good) in the Zards' future? Well, I guess that depends on moves the Zards might make before the trade deadline and during the offseason.

I'd hate to see Ariza traded because he's had a great season and is a joy to watch on defense. He also seems to be someone the younger guys look up to. But Trevor A. may be the Zards most valuable asset from a trade standpoint and with Webster and Porter available to play the 3 into the future, Ariza is the guy I'd be looking to move since he's a free agent and is likely to yield either a decent player or a decent draft pick if traded.

I have to agree that right now they are better than mediocre. Luck has played a role given that the Wizards have been relatively healthy compared to past seasons- although you could say they have been unlucky in the past with injuries.

I also agree that the Wizards should see what's out there for Ariza. I feel that teams that are contenders should make an offer especially in the West. For instance, a team like Houston and Memphis could use Ariza since he can play pretty good defense on someone like Kevin Durant and knock down open 3s. Still, I'm skeptical if Ariza gets traded because teams may not think that Ariza can continue his 3 point shooting while adjusting to a new offense midseason. Ariza is also a free agent next season so it could be a 1/2 season rental if some team were to trade for him.

dckingsfan · Post #87 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 7:35 pm

DCZards wrote:
closg00 wrote:Yup, we should always fear what kind of trade Ernie might make.

I understand the doubts and jokes about EG's trades but right now the most significant and controversial (at least on this board) trade he's made in the last couple of years--Ariza/Oakfor(Gortat)--is helping the Zards win games and giving Wall and the other younuns' an important taste of success. On top of that, a lot of posters apparently wouldn't mind seeing Ariza and Gortat resigned.

I'll broaden this to EG moves and include the Maynor/Harrington signings - why? Because it was an issue of judging talent. That is why you get the cold shivers just hearing about a pending trade (Ariza for Butler anyone?).

hands11 · Post #88 » by **hands11** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 7:55 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
DCZards wrote:Zards have gone from bad to slightly better than mediocre, imo, and the improvement, along with the winning, is obvious and fun to watch. Beats losing by a mile. Is being good (or very good) in the Zards' future? Well, I guess that depends on moves the Zards might make before the trade deadline and during the offseason.

I'd hate to see Ariza traded because he's had a great season and is a joy to watch on defense. He also seems to be someone the younger guys look up to. But Trevor A. may be the Zards most valuable asset from a trade standpoint and with Webster and Porter available to play the 3 into the future, Ariza is the guy I'd be looking to move since he's a free agent and is likely to yield either a decent player or a decent draft pick if traded.

I have to agree that right now they are better than mediocre. Luck has played a role given that the Wizards have been relatively healthy compared to past seasons- although you could say they have been unlucky in the past with injuries.

I also agree that the Wizards should see what's out there for Ariza. I feel that teams that are contenders should make an offer especially in the West. For instance, a team like Houston and Memphis could use Ariza since he can play pretty good defense on someone like Kevin Durant and knock down open 3s. Still, I'm skeptical if Ariza gets traded because teams may not think that Ariza can continue his 3 point shooting while adjusting to a new offense midseason. Ariza is also a free agent next season so it could be a 1/2 season rental if some team were to trade for him.

I would say part is luck, part is the med and training staff doing a better job. I can't see all they are doing, but they do rest players longer after injury now then the did before. They also tied Randy's hands on Beal and Nene so he didn't over use him which was smart. You can't leave that up to a coach in a contract year. You have to look to a bigger picture.

They also reportedly got Nene on a better training program. He also rested all summer. With Nene being so key, that was smart.

They are changing and doing thing better. Now we are seeing the results.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #89 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:12 pm

WWEGDN?

What will EG do next?
Be prepared ready to moan before the trade deadline. A money motivated deal is most likely coming.

WTLEFEG

Will Ted Leonsis EVER fire Ernie Grunfeld?
I don't think so.

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tontoz · Post #90 » by **tontoz** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:51 pm

He doesn't need to fire him. Just don't give him a new contract. Maybe interview another candidate for once.

closg00 · Post #91 » by **closg00** » Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:45 am

tontoz wrote:He doesn't need to fire him. Just don't give him a new contract. Maybe interview another candidate for once.

Ted wouldn't even take calls from potential GM candidates at the time of Ernie's last renewal.

We have to just hope that Ernie will retire after a triumphant return to the playoffs, it is our only hope as Wizard fans.

dckingsfan · Post #92 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Feb 5, 2014 7:10 pm

closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:He doesn't need to fire him. Just don't give him a new contract. Maybe interview another candidate for once.

Ted wouldn't even take calls from potential GM candidates at the time of Ernie's last renewal.

We have to just hope that Ernie will retire after a triumphant return to the playoffs, it is our only hope as Wizard fans.

I suggest that we start a media event - 10 years of Ernie Grunfeld - thank you - don't let that door hit you in @ss.

Full on twitter campaign

TGW · Post #93 » by **TGW** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 6:14 pm

The Cavs have fired their GM, and rightfully so. They aren't waiting until the offseason which is a good move...don't let an inept GM continue to add fuel to the fire by trying to fix his own mistakes.

Kanyewest · Post #94 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 7:19 pm

Chris Grant is worse than EG. Still, I am surprised that he got fired midseason.

MikeTheKid · Post #95 » by **MikeTheKid** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 7:27 pm

Man EG is the last of the moron GMs.............Colangelo, Grant, Khan and EG!!!

EDIT: Almost forgot about Billy King!!!

FAH1223 · Post #96 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 7:54 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:Man EG is the last of the moron GMs.............Colangelo, Grant, Khan and EG!!!

EDIT: Almost forgot about Billy King!!!

Don't forget Dumars (yes, he won a championship 10 years ago but he's been awful the last 5 years)

Ernie looks like he's GM for life. :evil:

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #97 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:53 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
MikeTheKid wrote:Man EG is the last of the moron GMs.............Colangelo, Grant, Khan and EG!!!

EDIT: Almost forgot about Billy King!!!

Don't forget Dumars (yes, he won a championship 10 years ago but he's been awful the last 5 years)

Ernie looks like he's GM for life.

Josh Smith was not Joe D's best move. Cheeks is not coaching the team up. Drummond has overshadowed Monroe because both are Cs.

Dumars drafted Darko over Carmelo Anthony. My memory fails, but the game Detroit lost to Cleveland, when Lebron scored 25 straight was the beginning of the end. Flip Saunders, Big Ben, Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince all left on bad terms.

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DCZards · Post #98 » by **DCZards** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:00 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Josh Smith was not Joe D's best move. Cheeks is not coaching the team up. Drummond has overshadowed Monroe because both are Cs.

Dumars drafted Darko over Carmelo Anthony. My memory fails, but the game Detroit lost to Cleveland, when Lebron scored 25 straight was the beginning of the end. Flip Saunders, Big Ben, Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince all left on bad terms.

Don't know about the others, but the terms that Rasheed left on must not have been too bad since he's back in Detroit as a Piston asst. coach.

FAH1223 · Post #99 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:06 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Josh Smith was not Joe D's best move. Cheeks is not coaching the team up. Drummond has overshadowed Monroe because both are Cs.

Dumars drafted Darko over Carmelo Anthony. My memory fails, but the game Detroit lost to Cleveland, when Lebron scored 25 straight was the beginning of the end. Flip Saunders, Big Ben, Rasheed, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince all left on bad terms.

Rip left on bad terms... and it was cause of the Coach more than anything.

Tayshaun doesn't seem too bitter playing in MEM for the last year... and Rasheed is back as a coach and Big Ben re-joined the Pistons for a couple years before retiring in 2012.

Chauncey even has returned and made peace with Dumars.

Dumars issue is his allocation of resources... creating unbalanced rosters...

hands11 · Post #100 » by **hands11** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 2:13 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Of-Season

EG may suck at drafts but he clearly won this trade.

Asthma Cinnamon eating planking Shaq a Fool Momma's boy McGee and his side kick N1on5 Shaggy P for
Nene :lol:

That's almost as good as getting ride of Gungate Poop in your shoes Gil for Lewis and then Lewis for Trevor A and Okafor.

EG does some stupid things. But he has also done some good things.

IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?