Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

mrknowitall215 · Post #1101 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:29 pm

fatlever wrote:is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

Iman Shumpert, Martell Webster, C.J. Miles, Danny Green, & Jared Dudley

Post #1102 » by **fatlever** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:41 pm

and who did i forget?

mayo? hardaway jr? mclemore? garcia?

mrknowitall215 · Post #1103 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:43 pm

fatlever wrote:and who did i forget?

mayo? hardaway jr? mclemore? garcia?

I wouldn't trade Henderson 'straight up' for none on this extended list except for Mayo

HornetJail · Post #1104 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:44 pm

fatlever wrote:lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson yes
2. wesley matthews yes
3. bradley beal yes
4. kyle korver yes
5. kevin martin yes
6. jj redick mehhhhhh
7. jeremy lamb yes
8. terrence ross yes
9. gerald green no
10. martell webster no
11. marco belinelli no
12. iman shumpert no
13. cj miles no
14. danny green no
15. jared dudley no

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

catch20two · Post #1105 » by **catch20two** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:48 pm

fatlever wrote:lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson
2. wesley matthews
3. bradley beal
4. kyle korver
5. kevin martin
6. jj redick
7. jeremy lamb
8. terrence ross
9. gerald green
10. martell webster
11. marco belinelli
12. iman shumpert
13. cj miles
15. danny green
15. jared dudley

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

Why is Shumpert on the list? Lol

Post #1106 » by **fatlever** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:01 pm

my original query was simply guards who have made more than 50 3s at 32% or better (removing point guards and all-stars). shumpert fit that category.

Post #1107 » by **JDR720** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:01 pm

fatlever wrote:lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson
2. wesley matthews
3. bradley beal
4. kyle korver
5. kevin martin
6. jj redick
7. jeremy lamb
8. terrence ross
9. gerald green
10. martell webster
11. marco belinelli
12. iman shumpert
13. cj miles
15. danny green
15. jared dudley

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

If someone offered us one of these guys for Hendo i would do it in a millisecond

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1108 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:01 pm

fatlever wrote:lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson
2. wesley matthews
3. bradley beal
4. kyle korver
5. kevin martin
6. jj redick
7. jeremy lamb
8. terrence ross
9. gerald green
10. martell webster
11. marco belinelli
12. iman shumpert
13. cj miles
15. danny green
15. jared dudley

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

Pretty much everyone from 9 down is questionable at best, especially Stump and Gerald Green. Wouldn't this make more sense in the trade or Hendo thread? #backseatmoderating

Edit: I obviously meant Shump, not Stump, but it's funnier so I'll leave it.

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Post #1109 » by **fatlever** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:09 pm

yes, it is more of a hendo thread, but it was related to the spacing problems we have with jefferson. such as, which shooting guards would fit better next to jefferson than hendo? not really, are these guys better than hendo?

danny green isnt better than hendo, but he is a much better fit next to jefferson. at what point does a better fit trump better overall talent?

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1110 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:17 pm

fatlever wrote:danny green isnt better than hendo, but he is a much better fit next to jefferson. at what point does a better fit trump better overall talent?

Ah, well that's a bit different, you asked who we wouldn't trade for straight up.

There's a lot of guys on there, like Danny Green, who would be a better fit but aren't necessarily better players. And thus, many of them I wouldn't give up Hendo for straight up.

Although in many cases it wouldn't take much more to convince me.

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HornetJail · Post #1111 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 10:51 pm

Danny Green wouldn't even be a key rotation player if he didn't play his specific role with the Spurs. You'll notice it the second he leaves the Spurs for another team.

Eoghan · Post #1112 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 12:42 am

If Cleveland has a fire sale I'd try and get Waiters for cheap.

Elden Payton · Post #1113 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 1:18 am

BrotherDave wrote:If Cleveland has a fire sale I'd try and get Waiters for cheap.

Agreed!

About time we took a chance on someone.

He's probably the best player who suits our needs available.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1114 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 1:20 am

BrotherDave wrote:If Cleveland has a fire sale I'd try and get Waiters for cheap.

I can't imagine the Cavaliers making a trades with the interim GM in place, but if they hire Grant's successor at least a week before the deadline then you can expect to see a couple of wholesale moves with their young players excluding Kyrie Irving. I think Tristan Thompson as well as Dion Waiters will be in play. Only Waiters should interest Charlotte

thruthefire · Post #1115 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 4:27 am

fatlever wrote:lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson
2. wesley matthews
3. bradley beal
4. kyle korver
5. kevin martin
6. jj redick
7. jeremy lamb
8. terrence ross
9. gerald green
10. martell webster
11. marco belinelli
12. iman shumpert
13. cj miles
15. danny green
15. jared dudley

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

I'll take Wes Matthews over Klay Thompson easily. Arron Afflalo, too.

I can't quibble with your larger point, however. Hendo has disappointed me.

HornetJail · Post #1116 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 4:52 am

Thompson>Afflalo>Matthews. Thompson can defend at a high level and is a much better shooter and scorer.

Post #1117 » by **fatlever** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 5:38 am

haha. how did i forget afflalo? i wonder why he didnt show up on my query. i'd probably have him 2nd, behind klay and ahead of matthews.

thruthefire · Post #1118 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 5:55 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Thompson>Afflalo>Matthews. Thompson can defend at a high level and is a much better shooter and scorer.

Check the stats.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1119 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 6:18 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
fatlever wrote:lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson yes
2. wesley matthews yes
3. bradley beal yes
4. kyle korver yes
5. kevin martin yes
6. jj redick mehhhhhh
7. jeremy lamb yes
8. terrence ross yes
9. gerald green no
10. martell webster no
11. marco belinelli no
12. iman shumpert no
13. cj miles no
14. danny green no
15. jared dudley no

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

why the mehh for Redick?

Post #1120 » by **fatlever** » Fri Feb 7, 2014 4:52 pm

why all the "no" responses for gerald green?

he is averaging 13.7ppg (15.1ppg in 31 games as a starter) and he has already made 114 3pter this season at 37.5%. and he would definitely take it to the rim more often then hendo. he seems like a much better fit next to jefferson and MKG.