Aaron Gordon

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where do you see this stat at?
the list i see delon wright is leading the nation in DWS (not that that's a good stat or anything).
tj mcconnell's on there, but gordon isn't.

Sorry, appears he slipped a bit in the last week. He is now tied for 4th with 1.8. Wright now leads the nation at 2.2.

Still, Gordon with a sub par offensive game against Stanford tonight, but comes up huge one defense again. Block, rebound and dunk late in the game to help turn it around.

Hes the best defender on one of the best defensive teams in the nation and he just turned 18. Kid is unreal.

the list i see he's not in the top 10.
i think nick johnson's the best defender on that team and i think rhj projects to be the better defender going forward. i noticed powell blew by gordon with ease on a couple of possessions, like on that game tying play at the end of the game. it was like ag wasn't even there.

offensively gordon was really bad tonight. worse than usual. stanford was hardly defending him on a number of possessions, playing at least 5 feet off him and he couldn't do anything. i know zona sees a lot zone, but i'm thinking the best defense vs them is a soft man, using gordon's man as a rover. that would help with block out responsibilities vs them.

They can dare him to shoot, but they can't just leave him or it's an easy look at the rim.

[TucsonClip]

the list i see he's not in the top 10.
i think nick johnson's the best defender on that team and i think rhj projects to be the better defender going forward. i noticed powell blew by gordon with ease on a couple of possessions, like on that game tying play at the end of the game. it was like ag wasn't even there.

offensively gordon was really bad tonight. worse than usual. stanford was hardly defending him on a number of possessions, playing at least 5 feet off him and he couldn't do anything. i know zona sees a lot zone, but i'm thinking the best defense vs them is a soft man, using gordon's man as a rover. that would help with block out responsibilities vs them.

That is because there are 14 players tied for 4 spots. You can either rank him 14th in alphabetical order or consider him tied for 4th.

I love Nick, but Gordon and RHJ are better defenders. Gordon literally guards 4 positions, blocks shots, dominates the glass and plays great man defense without fouling. RHJ has the skills to be a lock down defender at the next level, but its Gordon's defense that has elevated UA to where it is.

Yeah, Gordon had Powell get by him a few times last night. However, he also guarded him the majority of the game, and Stanford scored 1 FG in the last 11 minutes of the game. If you are talking about the end of the game, you forgot to mention Gordon's block, a rebound and then a dunk that completely swung things in UA's favor in the last 3 minutes. He did a marvelous job on Jabari Parker, switched onto GR III and Stauskas vs. Michigan, ect. Gordon is the reason for Arizona's stifling defense because he impacts that side of the ball in so many ways.

Gordon is struggling to shoot the ball right now. His game is attacking off the dribble and scoring on put backs. Nothing wrong with that as a PF at the age of 18, playing out of position. He's a 4 with good handles that can attack the basket and is an elite offensive rebounder. Thats his offensive game right now. His shot isnt broken, but it certainly isnt getting better in Tucson, that will happen in the NBA.

[Jazzfan12]

Aaron Gordon is pretty quickly approaching James Michael-McAdoo Freshman levels of efficiency. 48.7% TS% is brutal.

[TucsonClip]

Aaron Gordon is pretty quickly approaching James Michael-McAdoo Freshman levels of efficiency. 48.7% TS% is brutal.

That he is, but hes also elite on the glass and on defense.

Half the game is offense, the other half is defense. Gordon is an elite defender and just turned 18.

[miltk]

Gordon will now have to prove he's worth his ink.

[TucsonClip]

Gordon will now have to prove he's worth his ink.

He definitely needs to be more efficient offensively, but if you are expecting him to turn into the go-to guy on Arizona, it isnt gonna happen.

he has more than earned his ink by playing elite defense. Offense is definitely a work in progress.

[RSCD3_]

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[ManualRam]

rhj >>>

[Jazzfan12]

Jesus, 42% from the line.

[noobcake]

Leading the nation in defensive win shares and will likely be the youngest player in the draft.

I dont see him as a 3 in the NBA, but a faceup 4 who needs to develop post moves. His jumper will improve, but its far away right now, although not broken like MKG's. Solid form, but cant maintain consistency.

Hes an elite defender who will be a plus defender on the perimeter and in the paint as he gains more weight.

Hes a project big who surprisingly can make an impact defensively right away. His offense is a ways away, but he has good handles and can get to the rim and finish.

Winshare is a flawed metric that should only be used to compare two players from teams with similar number of wins. Your team not winning means that you won't generate win shares.

You can compare Gordon and Ennis for example since Syracuse and Arizona have similar number of wins/losses.

[DirtyDez]

rhj >>>

Excited to see him get big minutes with the injuries. Hope he sticks around for 2 more years.

[TucsonClip]

Winshare is a flawed metric that should only be used to compare two players from teams with similar number of wins. Your team not winning means that you won't generate win shares.

You can compare Gordon and Ennis for example since Syracuse and Arizona have similar number of wins/losses.

My point is that Gordon is an elite defender. Find a defensive stat, outside of steals because Miller doesnt even want Gordon going for steals, that tells a different picture.

Rebounds, defensive rebounds, defensive rebound %, rebound %, defensive rating, ect. The guy is an elite defender and is a MAJOR reason why Arizona's defensive is one of the best in the nation, yet he is only 18 years old and not playing his natural position.

[miltk]

Winshare is a flawed metric that should only be used to compare two players from teams with similar number of wins. Your team not winning means that you won't generate win shares.

You can compare Gordon and Ennis for example since Syracuse and Arizona have similar number of wins/losses.

My point is that Gordon is an elite defender. Find a defensive stat, outside of steals because Miller doesnt even want Gordon going for steals, that tells a different picture.

Rebounds, defensive rebounds, defensive rebound %, rebound %, defensive rating, ect. The guy is an elite defender and is a MAJOR reason why Arizona's defensive is one of the best in the nation, yet he is only 18 years old and not playing his natural position.

i think zona is one of the more cohesive teams i've seen in a while in that the players do everything as a one unit, largely because no one player has standout skills,,,although i will say without johnson they have close to zero offense. i get your point about a single player's numbers, but in the case of zona, i'd hold back judgement on what gordon can do. i can't say for certain any player on that team stands above the others and therefore i can't say for certain any player on that team can stand alone.

[EricAnderson]

My point is that Gordon is an elite defender. Find a defensive stat, outside of steals because Miller doesnt even want Gordon going for steals, that tells a different picture.

Rebounds, defensive rebounds, defensive rebound %, rebound %, defensive rating, ect. The guy is an elite defender and is a MAJOR reason why Arizona's defensive is one of the best in the nation, yet he is only 18 years old and not playing his natural position.

i think zona is one of the more cohesive teams i've seen in a while in that the players do everything as a one unit, largely because no one player has standout skills,,,although i will say without johnson they have close to zero offense. i get your point about a single player's numbers, but in the case of zona, i'd hold back judgement on what gordon can do. i can't say for certain any player on that team stands above the others and therefore i can't say for certain any player on that team can stand alone.

Thats my one problem with them winning a title is they dont have that go to guy that almost all title teams had,I know Johnson can be at times but hes not ideal..thats the one thing that i think will bite them in the tourney eventually..

[HeartBreakKid]

Winshare is a flawed metric that should only be used to compare two players from teams with similar number of wins. Your team not winning means that you won't generate win shares.

You can compare Gordon and Ennis for example since Syracuse and Arizona have similar number of wins/losses.

My point is that Gordon is an elite defender. Find a defensive stat, outside of steals because Miller doesnt even want Gordon going for steals, that tells a different picture.

Rebounds, defensive rebounds, defensive rebound %, rebound %, defensive rating, ect. The guy is an elite defender and is a MAJOR reason why Arizona's defensive is one of the best in the nation, yet he is only 18 years old and not playing his natural position.

Which is?

I keep seeing all these defensive stats, but isn't it trivial to talk about how good someone is defensively when one of their biggest cons is that they don't have an established NBA position?

[yesno]

Has anyone EVER become a good shooter after shooting 42% from the line? Seems extremely unlikely that Gordon will.

DX lists him 212lbs with a 8'10.5" standing reach, that's poor for a PF when you look at the other things he's bring to the table. Everyone with Gordon's length is significantly bigger, more skilled, or just not a good player. NBA PFs with standing reaches that low include Love, Griffin, Millsap etc, abut they are significantly more skilled offensively and have a lot more bulk. As much as Gordon's passing and smarts seem good, his shooting will be a massive handicap in today's NBA.

Gordon does seem to have the ability to put on weight and is obviously a good athlete. But with the multiple serious questions over his ability to translate I'd be a lot happier taking a guy like Vonleh or Ennis who have real NBA positions. He's prob still a decent pick in the latter half of the lottery though, I think he's a strong chance to become a useful bench player at least because he is one of the few people with the athletic profile to handle the some elite players like LeBron, Duant, Melo etc.

[TucsonClip]

My point is that Gordon is an elite defender. Find a defensive stat, outside of steals because Miller doesnt even want Gordon going for steals, that tells a different picture.

Rebounds, defensive rebounds, defensive rebound %, rebound %, defensive rating, ect. The guy is an elite defender and is a MAJOR reason why Arizona's defensive is one of the best in the nation, yet he is only 18 years old and not playing his natural position.

Which is?

I keep seeing all these defensive stats, but isn't it trivial to talk about how good someone is defensively when one of their biggest cons is that they don't have an established NBA position?

Its not close, never has been. Hes a natural PF. He guards 3-4 positions very well in college and can guard 3s/4s in the NBA. However, he is a PF and needs to continue to develop as one.

[TucsonClip]

My point is that Gordon is an elite defender. Find a defensive stat, outside of steals because Miller doesnt even want Gordon going for steals, that tells a different picture.

Rebounds, defensive rebounds, defensive rebound %, rebound %, defensive rating, ect. The guy is an elite defender and is a MAJOR reason why Arizona's defensive is one of the best in the nation, yet he is only 18 years old and not playing his natural position.

i think zona is one of the more cohesive teams i've seen in a while in that the players do everything as a one unit, largely because no one player has standout skills,,,although i will say without johnson they have close to zero offense. i get your point about a single player's numbers, but in the case of zona, i'd hold back judgement on what gordon can do. i can't say for certain any player on that team stands above the others and therefore i can't say for certain any player on that team can stand alone.

Thats my one problem with them winning a title is they dont have that go to guy that almost all title teams had,I know Johnson can be at times but hes not ideal..thats the one thing that i think will bite them in the tourney eventually..

That is why Ashley's broken foot is so depressing. Ashley had the skills to take the pressure off Gordon, could shoot from 3 and score on the block. Without him Arizona isnt as deep, cant score as well and isnt as massively big.

[reignfire]

If Gordon can guard the 3 in the NBA does his stock go up dramatically?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Aaron Gordon reminds me of Shawn Marion, without the efficiency, at least not yet.