Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?)

[Hypnotizer]

Dallas Fan coming in Peace ...


Dallas is in the market for both a starting Small Forward and Starting Center and will have around $30 Million to spend . Dallas also basically gave Gortat his current contract since he signed the offer sheet from Dallas that Orlando matched so there is interest ..

Is $22 Million enough to get both ? $12 Million Gortat and $10 Million Ariza ?

Is Cuban still interested in Gortat?

[HotrodBeaubois]

Dallas Fan coming in Peace ...


Dallas is in the market for both a starting Small Forward and Starting Center and will have around $30 Million to spend . Dallas also basically gave Gortat his current contract since he signed the offer sheet from Dallas that Orlando matched so there is interest ..

Is $22 Million enough to get both ? $12 Million Gortat and $10 Million Ariza ?

Is Cuban still interested in Gortat?

I know Dallas still wants a Center and since Gortat is a free agent and playing well then I don't see why not . Who is worth paying $12-14 Million at Center this year >? Not a lot of options . Not too worried about Gortat's age since they are probably going to re-sign Dirk for 3 years so if Gortat gives us 3 good year of a 4 year contract we will be happy .

[nate33]

Dallas Fan coming in Peace ...


Dallas is in the market for both a starting Small Forward and Starting Center and will have around $30 Million to spend . Dallas also basically gave Gortat his current contract since he signed the offer sheet from Dallas that Orlando matched so there is interest ..

Is $22 Million enough to get both ? $12 Million Gortat and $10 Million Ariza ?

Yes. I suspect $22M would be enough to get both. $10M will surely be enough to get Ariza.

[hands11]

Dallas Fan coming in Peace ...


Dallas is in the market for both a starting Small Forward and Starting Center and will have around $30 Million to spend . Dallas also basically gave Gortat his current contract since he signed the offer sheet from Dallas that Orlando matched so there is interest ..

Is $22 Million enough to get both ? $12 Million Gortat and $10 Million Ariza ?

Yes. I suspect $22M would be enough to get both. $10M will surely be enough to get Ariza.

And that's how the cost get driven up.

CUBANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

He doesn't care about no stinking draft. Hey, they are a lot better this year then I thought they would be. Monte ended up being a nice grab for 8M. He just needed to play next to a PG. He is having his best year since '09-'10. He is a lot like Trevor A. Just needs to be in the right situation. If not, he is asked to do to much and he becomes less efficient. Trevor A and Gortat would fit great there.

Dallas would be a legit treat to take them.

Before the year started, I was hoping they would flame out so we could steal Dirk for 2 years. Now everything is flipped. Dirk will clearly stay because they added back players and are currently 29-21 and have cap room to add more.

[J-Ves]

Dallas Fan coming in Peace ...


Dallas is in the market for both a starting Small Forward and Starting Center and will have around $30 Million to spend . Dallas also basically gave Gortat his current contract since he signed the offer sheet from Dallas that Orlando matched so there is interest ..

Is $22 Million enough to get both ? $12 Million Gortat and $10 Million Ariza ?

Yes. I suspect $22M would be enough to get both. $10M will surely be enough to get Ariza.

And that's how the cost get driven up.

CUBANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

He doesn't care about no stinking draft. Hey, they are a lot better this year then I thought they would be. Monte ended up being a nice grab for 8M. He just needed to play next to a PG. He is having his best year since '09-'10. He is a lot like Trevor A. Just needs to be in the right situation. If not, he is asked to do to much and he becomes less efficient. Trevor A and Gortat would fit great there.

Dallas would be a legit treat to take them.

Before the year started, I was hoping they would flame out so we could steal Dirk for 2 years. Now everything is flipped. Dirk will clearly stay because they added back players and are currently 29-21 and have cap room to add more.

This is reason enough to trade one or both at the deadline. Letting both guys walk (bolt?) is not an option, the ~15 million in cap room just wont be enough to replace the production lost. Even if they manage to get Monroe in FA there will still be too many glaring holes on this team. On the flip side getting into a bidding war to sign both these guys is not something I would like to do. Ariza getting 10 mil/yr and Gortat getting 13 mill/yr both on 4 year deals just to stay relevant is more than a little disgusting, especially since many of us thought we could get them both for about 17 mil/yr.

Of course this runs us into another problem, any trading partner that has interest in these two players will have the same issue of overpay or let them walk. Despite Ariza having his best offensive season and being a potential LeBron/Durant slower, its hard to imagine teams giving up decent vlaue for a half a season of good play (see JJ Redick and Milwaukee). This is why the best likely trade partners are the ones who see Ariza and Gortat as expiring contracts not as productive players, which unfortunately will lower their trade value.

[Rafael122]

Yes. I suspect $22M would be enough to get both. $10M will surely be enough to get Ariza.

And that's how the cost get driven up.

CUBANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

He doesn't care about no stinking draft. Hey, they are a lot better this year then I thought they would be. Monte ended up being a nice grab for 8M. He just needed to play next to a PG. He is having his best year since '09-'10. He is a lot like Trevor A. Just needs to be in the right situation. If not, he is asked to do to much and he becomes less efficient. Trevor A and Gortat would fit great there.

Dallas would be a legit treat to take them.

Before the year started, I was hoping they would flame out so we could steal Dirk for 2 years. Now everything is flipped. Dirk will clearly stay because they added back players and are currently 29-21 and have cap room to add more.

This is reason enough to trade one or both at the deadline. Letting both guys walk (bolt?) is not an option, the ~15 million in cap room just wont be enough to replace the production lost. Even if they manage to get Monroe in FA there will still be too many glaring holes on this team. On the flip side getting into a bidding war to sign both these guys is not something I would like to do. Ariza getting 10 mil/yr and Gortat getting 13 mill/yr both on 4 year deals just to stay relevant is more than a little disgusting, especially since many of us thought we could get them both for about 17 mil/yr.

Of course this runs us into another problem, any trading partner that has interest in these two players will have the same issue of overpay or let them walk. Despite Ariza having his best offensive season and being a potential LeBron/Durant slower, its hard to imagine teams giving up decent vlaue for a half a season of good play (see JJ Redick and Milwaukee). This is why the best likely trade partners are the ones who see Ariza and Gortat as expiring contracts not as productive players, which unfortunately will lower their trade value.

Unless you trade them to a team who will most likely re-sign these guys. Houston, LA, etc

[hands11]

Its a tough call but it could work out by staying the general path they are on. Hell, it has so far. They are a lot better now then 2 years ago.

You would have to know what both those players are thinking. How much do they like it here ?
What is the internal plan for them and path for minutes moving forward ?

They can overpay them to stay if needed and just plan on trading them for expiring later if the deals need to be for to long. Just make sure the out years are to high. That gets TA for at least one more year while you see what Otto has. You can also try to more Webster is needed next year. And you can try to bring back Okafor cheap as well on a one year.

They can make a play to make this work by doing that while Wall and Beal return next year even better. Next year is Beals 3rd year so he should be ready to settle in as a more complete mature player. And they figure out what Otto can do after a summer of work which he didn't get this year.

For me, I would focus on getting ride of Maynor so you have an extra spot open for vet min players. Singleton is gone either way anyway to throw him into a trade if need. Not sold on Glen so use him if need. Even Tom if you think that would help and he isn't in the near term plans.

Lots gets talked about but I'm still where I have been for a while. Bring them back but tweak and get a top coach. I see that as a viable path to progress while they wait on KD to come in 2016. Beal first time AS next year. Wall returns. I see no reason TA wouldn't do the same he did this year. He fits what they have. More post presence defense by getting Okafor as a back up. He liked it here and like TA. 2nd year to the playoff with experience from this year.

Wall, Temple or better
Beal, Webster
Trevor A, Otto
Nene, Kevin, Booker
Gortat, Okafor, Ves

Maybe Thomas is ready and comes over. If so, that 13 or trade him.
See how Temple finishes the year. Never sucks to have a defensive PG like him. Or find an upgrade.

I would move Maynor, Singleton and Glen.
If Otto works out, they would want to move Webster for a better ball handling shot creating back up SG
Another summer for Ves to work on molding his body to be more of a PF/C. I would sell him on the idea that sticking around here is best to grow. Learn from Gortat and Okafor.

I wouldn't be upset if they do that. Then if Otto works out, you trade TA in 2015 deadline for expiring to open cap for KD. There is enough here to keep while tweaking things at back up PG, SG and center to get better.

[hands11]

Mr Trevor Ariza... Well done man. Well done.

10-14 from 3, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 1 block

[FAH1223]

Sell high on Ariza

Lowball Gortat

[SizzlinSimms]

You have to attempt to trade Ariza while he's playing so well.

I'm really disappointed in Gortat. He hasn't added much offensively at all. I guess you could attempt to trade him but I don't see their being many suitors. I agree with FAH1223 above me. You set a low offer and if he doesn't accept then let him walk.

[lastemp3ror]

In my opinion, to have a chance to win the championship, we have to change a lot of things outside of the coach and GM. One of them is trading overlapping assets like Ariza. Some mention trading Webster instead, but is he worth his contract? AKA, will other teams really want him? I am truly asking, as I am not not sure.

What if we trade Webster, and Ariza walks to another team for more money? What if we trade Webster and we pay Ariza a lot of money since other teams bid on him? Then won't we be stuck in the same position as we are now? A mediocre team that makes the playoffs but can't get out of the first round, like Atlanta has been the past few years?

I also think we should trade Gortat for something. Otherwise one of two things will happen this summer, we either overpay one or both, or one or both will walk and we get nothing. Either case we are at the same position as we are now, mediocrity.

[fishercob]

Sell high on Ariza.

Period.

[Dat2U]

Sell high on Ariza.

Period.

And it doesn't get any higher that it is right at this moment. But Ernie never sells high. Never. I don't think he can even conceptualize the idea of doing so.

So that probably means Ernie is desperately hoping to keep Ariza and will open the checkbook this offseason to make it happen.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Sell high on Ariza.

Period.

I agree, see if we can get a future 1st round pick or a combo of a young big man and a decent pg.

[closg00]

Sell high on Ariza.

Period.

And it doesn't get any higher that it is right at this moment. But Ernie never sells high. Never. I don't think he can even conceptualize the idea of doing so.

So that probably means Ernie is desperately hoping to keep Ariza and will open the checkbook this offseason to make it happen.

+1 Ariza is our golden chip-trade, but it cuts both ways. Ernie also needs Ariza for the playoffs. Who is going to make-up Ariza's production on this team during the playoffs, Porter? Rice?

[Nivek]

Nobody with the Wizards (except maybe a few of the players) is worried about anything other than MAKING the playoffs. Performing well in the playoffs -- very secondary. To that end, trading Ariza would likely weaken the team this season, but it's unlikely it would weaken them to the point where they'd fail to make the postseason. So, they should make a trade that benefits them long-term. Will they? I doubt it.

[closg00]

Nobody with the Wizards (except maybe a few of the players) is worried about anything other than MAKING the playoffs. Performing well in the playoffs -- very secondary. To that end, trading Ariza would likely weaken the team this season, but it's unlikely it would weaken them to the point where they'd fail to make the postseason. So, they should make a trade that benefits them long-term. Will they? I doubt it.

Yup, I was just thinking that. Ted/Ernie think short-term, never long.

[Dark Faze]

Nobody with the Wizards (except maybe a few of the players) is worried about anything other than MAKING the playoffs. Performing well in the playoffs -- very secondary. To that end, trading Ariza would likely weaken the team this season, but it's unlikely it would weaken them to the point where they'd fail to make the postseason. So, they should make a trade that benefits them long-term. Will they? I doubt it.

There's a win win situation for everybody if we can move Webster to Oklahoma for a pick, trade exception and Pierre Jackson.

[lastemp3ror]

Nobody with the Wizards (except maybe a few of the players) is worried about anything other than MAKING the playoffs. Performing well in the playoffs -- very secondary. To that end, trading Ariza would likely weaken the team this season, but it's unlikely it would weaken them to the point where they'd fail to make the postseason. So, they should make a trade that benefits them long-term. Will they? I doubt it.

There's a win win situation for everybody if we can move Webster to Oklahoma for a pick, trade exception and Pierre Jackson.

Is anyone willing to take on Websters' contract is the real question.

[closg00]

Nobody with the Wizards (except maybe a few of the players) is worried about anything other than MAKING the playoffs. Performing well in the playoffs -- very secondary. To that end, trading Ariza would likely weaken the team this season, but it's unlikely it would weaken them to the point where they'd fail to make the postseason. So, they should make a trade that benefits them long-term. Will they? I doubt it.

There's a win win situation for everybody if we can move Webster to Oklahoma for a pick, trade exception and Pierre Jackson.

Is anyone willing to take on Websters' contract is the real question.

It's doubtful that his contract will be taken, it's too-long and too-rich for a player still struggling with back issues.