Trade Ideas - Part 2

Post #1161 » by **B Mac** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:15 pm

Appreciate the feedback. Truthfully I didnt realize Plumlee was so highly regarded. I still think the Cavs make a good trading partner for these teams.

Post #1162 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:15 pm

B Mac wrote:How about this for a trade deadline?

#1
Cleveland Trades:
Anderson Varejao
Jarrett Jack
Earl Clark
CJ Miles

Cleveland Receives:
Emeka Okafor
Donatas Motiejunas
Miles Plumlee

Houston Trades:
Donatas Motiejunas
Omer Asik

Houston Receives:
Anderson Varejao
Alex Len
CJ Miles

Phoenix Trades:
Emeka Okafor
Alex Len
Miles Plumlee

Phoenix Receives:
Omer Asik
Jarrett Jack
Earl Clark

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l5jo99l

Big trades like this NEVER happen, but I think it would be beneficial for all three teams.

#2
Cleveland Trades:
Luol Deng

Cleveland Receives:
Ben Gordon
Detroit 1st Round Pick

Charlotte Trades:
Ben Gordon
Detroit 1st Round Pick

Charlotte Receives:
Luol Deng

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lwxstp5

The Result

Irving/Dellavedova
Waiters/Gordon/Felix
Gee/Karasev
Bennett/Thompson/Simms
Motiejunas/Plumlee/Zeller

Injured: Okafor

We'd go into the draft with our own top 5 pick plus the Piston's pick which is currently around 10. On top of that we have the Magic, our own, and Grizzlies' second rounders which we could attempt to trade up with.

Emeka and Gordon are both large sized expirings at the end of the season. We would basically hit the reset button with these trades and then try one last time to get a top pick and to surround him with what we currently have plus a couple of vet FA's. I like to build with big's which is why I really focused on acquiring them in that first trade. Again, I know it's not likely, but it's the direction I would take this team right now.

If the Cavs can turn AV into Asik, they should keep Asik.

SmoothKobra · Post #1163 » by **SmoothKobra** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 10:08 pm

B Mac wrote:Appreciate the feedback. Truthfully I didnt realize Plumlee was so highly regarded. I still think the Cavs make a good trading partner for these teams.

I do think the Cavs will make similar trades at the deadline. I think many of our vets are being shopped right now.

Nyk4lyfe · Post #1164 » by **Nyk4lyfe** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:11 am

Shumpert + salary fillers for Deng.

Post #1165 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:54 am

Nyk4lyfe wrote:Shumpert + salary fillers for Deng.

You don't have salary fillers. The closest is Bargs, but you don't have the value to make up for his negative value contract.

Dupp · Post #1166 » by **Dupp** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:51 am

Plus i don't see how shump fits here where as Deng already fits really well.

Post #1167 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:10 pm

Dupp wrote:Plus i don't see how shump fits here where as Deng already fits really well.

Shump would be a great fit. He's a 2/3 that can handle the ball a little, but doesn't need to. Slash to the basket well, while also hitting the open jump shot on the edges and at the perimeter. A complimentary piece that would fit well with either Kyrie or Dion. Plus defender, as well.

He'd be a great fit if you could get him somehow between Kyrie and Deng. You'd be onto something there. Not sure how you could do that, though. Maybe a Zeller + a lesser 1st? That'd be a dream fit. You could play almost any combination of Kyrie, Dion, Shump, Deng, and Miles at the 1-3 spots with no issues.

kiwibrindle · Post #1168 » by **kiwibrindle** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:15 pm

Still think we need to go after Stuckey and Monroe from Detriot or Turner and Hawes from Philly. I'd do that for the Miami number one and salary matches between any comb of Jack, Clark, Gee, Zeller, and Thompson.

BossHoggin · Post #1169 » by **BossHoggin** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:19 am

kiwibrindle wrote:Still think we need to go after Stuckey and Monroe from Detriot or Turner and Hawes from Philly. I'd do that for the Miami number one and salary matches between any comb of Jack, Clark, Gee, Zeller, and Thompson.

did Thompson date your daughter? you are way too eager to trade him

kiwibrindle · Post #1170 » by **kiwibrindle** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:32 am

I just think he's peaked

riter · Post #1171 » by **riter** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:25 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Nyk4lyfe wrote:Shumpert + salary fillers for Deng.

You don't have salary fillers. The closest is Bargs, but you don't have the value to make up for his negative value contract.

Bargs contract is a negative this year, but a big expiring next year.
the hypothetical is that Deng will not resign with you.
You get Shump ---so you get something. Bargs is a a lagre expiring you can use next year along with picks and or young players to aquire another veteran--especially if you get Embid or Parker to go with Irving.

Post #1172 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:26 am

kiwibrindle wrote:Still think we need to go after Stuckey and Monroe from Detriot or Turner and Hawes from Philly. I'd do that for the Miami number one and salary matches between any comb of Jack, Clark, Gee, Zeller, and Thompson.

I want no part of Turner and Hawes.

Troubadour · Post #1173 » by **Troubadour** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:38 pm

How can the Raptors get Jarrett Jack?

Post #1174 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:43 pm

Troubadour wrote:How can the Raptors get Jarrett Jack?

Salary filler (please include your back up PG) and that NY 2016 pick should do it.

Post #1175 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:29 am

riter wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Nyk4lyfe wrote:Shumpert + salary fillers for Deng.

You don't have salary fillers. The closest is Bargs, but you don't have the value to make up for his negative value contract.

Bargs contract is a negative this year, but a big expiring next year.
the hypothetical is that Deng will not resign with you.
You get Shump ---so you get something. Bargs is a a lagre expiring you can use next year along with picks and or young players to aquire another veteran--especially if you get Embid or Parker to go with Irving.

That's the problem. You're asking Cleveland to pay around $14m next year just to get Shumpert. That's a very bad idea. Deng is worth a crappy expiring and a 1st or 2. Or a bad contract as filler? It'd probably take Hardaway and Shumpert, since you can't include any 1sts.

Post #1176 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:38 am

Troubadour wrote:How can the Raptors get Jarrett Jack?

Uh, Salmons and Vasquez? Or, Landry and either a protected Toronto 1st or the 2016 NYK/Den 1st? Obviously, Cleveland would want more, but that's probably close to fair value.

tidho · Post #1177 » by **tidho** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:37 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
riter wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
You don't have salary fillers. The closest is Bargs, but you don't have the value to make up for his negative value contract.

Bargs contract is a negative this year, but a big expiring next year.
the hypothetical is that Deng will not resign with you.
You get Shump ---so you get something. Bargs is a a lagre expiring you can use next year along with picks and or young players to aquire another veteran--especially if you get Embid or Parker to go with Irving.

That's the problem. You're asking Cleveland to pay around $14m next year just to get Shumpert. That's a very bad idea. Deng is worth a crappy expiring and a 1st or 2. Or a bad contract as filler? It'd probably take Hardaway and Shumpert, since you can't include any 1sts.

So this is Bargs, Shumpert, & Hardaway for Deng?
That seems doable from both sides, but even as an expiring next year Bargs is real tough to take.

SaiCLE · Post #1178 » by **SaiCLE** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:30 pm

Would anyone be interested in trading for or going after Monroe in the off season. I really like his game as a post scorer.

mcfly1204 · Post #1179 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:27 pm

SaiCLE wrote:Would anyone be interested in trading for or going after Monroe in the off season. I really like his game as a post scorer.

If the price was right, yes. In reality, he will command too much money. If he was a better defender or could stretch the floor a bit more, I would look to make a deal. Then again, if he was a better defender or could stretch the floor a bit more, Detroit would not let him go.

riter · Post #1180 » by **riter** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:06 pm

tidho wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
riter wrote:
Bargs contract is a negative this year, but a big expiring next year.
the hypothetical is that Deng will not resign with you.
You get Shump ---so you get something. Bargs is a a lagre expiring you can use next year along with picks and or young players to aquire another veteran--especially if you get Embid or Parker to go with Irving.

That's the problem. You're asking Cleveland to pay around $14m next year just to get Shumpert. That's a very bad idea. Deng is worth a crappy expiring and a 1st or 2. Or a bad contract as filler? It'd probably take Hardaway and Shumpert, since you can't include any 1sts.

So this is Bargs, Shumpert, & Hardaway for Deng?
That seems doable from both sides, but even as an expiring next year Bargs is real tough to take.

responses are reasonable.
yes, Bargs/Shum/Timmy is a package Knicks would trade for Deng( and maybe Waiters). those are at least a decent starting point to a trade.
While Deng is worth more than this, Cavs have a problem--if indeed Deng is going to walk and your FO knows that-- the only teams that the Knicks have to bid against are teams willing to give Deng 4yrs/$15mil(an overpay).
If I'm not mistaken, you guys gave up some assets for Deng, and would want an asset or two back in lieu of just lettiing him walk.