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Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#561 » by Slartibartfast » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:51 pm

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Slartibartfast wrote:$3.5 mil in Crash sunk costs in a 2015 FA plan would be pretty painful without a capable SF on the roster. You'd be rolling the dice on getting a ready-to-go starting caliber SF from the draft or the free agency bargain bin.

I'm not crazy about the FA route, but if it's the one we're taking, dumping Wallace's last year has to be the priority. You want to be able to surround your star big target with proven players. Rondo/Bradley/Green is a playoff-caliber perimeter group. Rondo/recent draft pick/potential cheap free agent signing is not, unless you're really good/lucky.


Way too many variables to keep track of between now and then to start complaining about the potential hole at SF after we've surrounded Rondo with an All-Star big, but yeah I'm ready to roll the dice to replace Green if it means we've upgraded to Love, Gasol, Jordan, etc....

It all depends on whether we need to stretch Wallace to bring in vet All-Star player X. If so, you do it. If you've already moved Green and can bring in vet All-Star player X without stretching Wallace, then fine you play Wallace at SF and let him expire in a year. And if you've moved Green and still need to stretch Wallace to make the move to surround Rondo with talent, then you bite the bullet and use your MLE or use one of the 4 first rounders we have between now and summer 2015 on somebody who can man the SF. I mean, there are a million ways to fill Green's spot...


The problem with moving Green for cap relief is that it adds an extra variable when you want to have more constants in place to lock down a big fish free agent.

You only NEED to move 1 out of the 3 of AB/Green/Crash to free up money for a max slot, assuming AB's price (and Rondo's) doesn't get outrageous. Better to move the guy you know sucks than the guys you can rely on for starter-level production at the 2/3.

And there aren't a million good ways to fill Green's spot. If you're going with a Rondo/AB backcourt, you pretty much need a SF with shooting/scoring ability. Look at the guys we landed for that position when all we had to work with were minor exceptions and draft picks. After striking gold with Posey on the cheap, we ended up coping with the likes of Marquis Daniels, Michael Finley's corpse, JR Giddens and Bill Walker.

If free agency is our chosen route to add a star, I would much rather dump a variable like a pick to unload Wallace than replace a constant like Green with another variable.
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#562 » by 15th overall » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:01 pm

cyberx wrote:So if Rockets get rid of Asik... Then they get that 1st rounder from Phili... Meaning they have TWO first rounders to trade...

Maybe for Rondo? :)
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#563 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:05 pm

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cyberx wrote:So if Rockets get rid of Asik... Then they get that 1st rounder from Phili... Meaning they have TWO first rounders to trade...

Maybe for Rondo? :)


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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#564 » by StojkoVrankovic » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:07 pm

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cyberx wrote:So if Rockets get rid of Asik... Then they get that 1st rounder from Phili... Meaning they have TWO first rounders to trade...

Maybe for Rondo? :)

Why would Philly ever give up a 1st? Outside of MCW, draft picks are literally the only positive thing they have going

Danny doesn't want 2 1st round draft picks, he wants 2 lottery picks. We got a late 1st rounder for our coach, now all of a sudden 2 of those is enough for our all star PG?
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#565 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:19 pm

The only pick Philly can realistically trade is a very lightly protected Pelicans pick, currently 12th overall in this upcoming draft. My guess is that any offer would like be this pick, a Houston 1st, Parsons, Lin and maybe Montiejunas?

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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#566 » by Slartibartfast » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:25 pm

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15th overall wrote:
cyberx wrote:So if Rockets get rid of Asik... Then they get that 1st rounder from Phili... Meaning they have TWO first rounders to trade...

Maybe for Rondo? :)


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Still don't get why Philly is so interested in Asik.
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#567 » by mwhis21 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:26 pm

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Vets want to sign up for a winner but they look mostly at the team going forward and not backwards.

Let's just assume the Celtics somehow traded Rondo/Green/2014 Brooklyn pick and one future Nets pick and ended up with lets say Embiid and Parker/Wiggins. And still had Sullinger/Olynyk to make other deals

If Embiid was looking like a Noah type level player or above by the end of next year and Parker was looking like a future top 5 SF/stretch PF, that is a damn attractive -- flat out compelling if these same pieces were in a destination city -- roster for veterans to join given the other picks Ainge would still have.

The players are smart enough to look at the entire situation. Hypothetically, Kevin Love may prioritize paying with Jordan more then Rondo since he has never played with someone that is a bit more of a rim protector. I know Jordan's defense hasn't always been good but by most reports its better.

By most accounts, players just look at the entire situation but youth -- as long as it looks very promising -- is a good thing and not a bad thing. Youth that looks like it won't pan out is pretty worthless to vets.


I want to breakdown this post real quick:

They look at the team going forward not backward: They look for the team with the pieces that will enable them to win now, not potentially win in 2-3 years if everything goes 100% the way they have to. Kevin Love, turning 26 years old. Do you think he wants to spend his prime on another rebuilding squads where the "youth" MAY pan out to be what Rondo currently is? There have been so many lottery misses compared to lottery hits in the past two decades your making an incredible assumption that any of these players will even sniff the success and accolades that Rondo has accumulated at the ripe old age of 27.

This is how you are starting and ending most of your thoughts.

"Let's just assume" "If Embid was looking like" "Hypothetically, Kevin Love MAY prioritize" "Jordan's defense hasn't always been good, but by most reports" "By most accounts, players look at the entire situation"

Doesn't this raise a red flag for you? You're talking about a perfect storm of IF's & Hypotheticals that would make a genie jealous...I understand you don't like or value Rondo and need to give your opinion in every Rondo discussion, but this is getting out of control.


If 2008 KG/and 2008 Ray Allen are available and it can work cap wise which it can't... I'd be the first one to say trade all of the picks. I know the lottery odds.

Second, Rondo is 28 in 4 days and will be 29 by the end of next year.

Third, this discussion isn't just about Rondo, its about reality and where the Celtics are at.

Rondo by consensus opinion is probably a "third star" on a championship team who will be 29 by the time the Celtics even have a chance to start to be good again but with a lot to prove to get back to that level.

Someone like Love may be a "second star" on a championship team but even he has a lot to prove that his game holds up in the playoffs.

Either way, the Celtics are counting on the draft unless they can trade picks for mega talents like 2008 KG/Durant etc.


1. The KG/Ray Allen trades were 4 years in the making starting with DA shipping out 'Toine. I'm 100% sure that back in 2003 DA didn't say to himself I'm going to lineup assets to get KG and Ray Allen after the 2006 season. Just because said stars aren't available today doesn't mean they won't be in 12 months/18months/24months: You can't predict who's going to come available at any time. People who are hoping for a one year turn around are terribly mislead. The last turnaround was really about 4 years.

2. What is your fascination with age? If he's a "third star" like you're talking about it then there's no reason that Rondo won't play "third star" basketball for the next 5-7 years. The probability of your hype machine binkies to sniff what Rondo has accomplished by 27 is really low.

3. The state of the Celtics: The hard truth is that we're in good shape regardless of whether we do anything at the deadline or not. The key to the Celtics is to be PATIENT. The last thing the C's need to to is go Detroit Pistons and piss away their assets and flexibility for sake of making a move. Cleveland when LeBron was there. Made a rash of panic decisions.

I'm 100% prepared for another lousy year next year before contending again in 2015. Just as I've said numerous times last offseason.
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#568 » by TA42 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:28 pm

It's funny....we are hearing all of these potential deals and interest for Rondo from Sacramento, New York and Toronto but how come the Houston one hasn't been picked up by national media?

Is it because it's just not true or maybe it's because it's the closest to reality?
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Post#569 » by klemen4 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:29 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Still don't get why Philly is so interested in Asik.


Agree...they probably see him as another trading chip in summer imo. But on other hand despite 8,5 mil counting towards cap, you have to pay him 15 mil. Not a lot of owners would be happy to trade for a guy you have to pay so much.
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#570 » by Slartibartfast » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:33 pm

klemen4 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Still don't get why Philly is so interested in Asik.


Agree...they probably see him as another trading chip in summer imo. But on other hand despite 8,5 mil counting towards cap, you have to pay him 15 mil. Not a lot of owners would be happy to trade for a guy you have to pay so much.


The upside is our Philly pick would have a much better chance of turning into a mid-first next year if they do get Asik.
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Post#571 » by klemen4 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:36 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:The upside is our Philly pick would have a much better chance of turning into a mid-first next year if they do get Asik.


Can not play Asik+Noel together, no one can shot. If Philly can get Asik Im sure they will trade him in summer, maybe to us ;)
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Post#572 » by 15th overall » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:38 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:The only pick Philly can realistically trade is a very lightly protected Pelicans pick, currently 12th overall in this upcoming draft. My guess is that any offer would like be this pick, a Houston 1st, Parsons, Lin and maybe Montiejunas?

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I guess that's "fair value," but I'd rather just keep Rondo, to be honest. Throw in another first and I think I'd sign off on it though.
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Post#573 » by rickrolled » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:38 pm

How about Rondo/Bogans for Rose and their CHA pick ?

Chicago becomes a legitimate contender while Boston gets Rondos replacement.
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Re: Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8) 

Post#574 » by KJandHondo35 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:38 pm

I actually came up with this earlier based on nothing but watching Videos of Noel and Selden play together at Tilton and thinking how that would be pretty awesome to have MA natives play for the Cs while being also great young prospects...
Then I came on here and saw the Asik to Philly stuff and thougt why not throw this out there (its not based off any legit sources just think its a solid trade for all parties).

To 76ers:
Rondo, Asik

To Houston:
Hawes

To Boston:
MCW, Noel

Just a thought.... as you can tell slow day at work.
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Post#575 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:46 pm

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Post#576 » by smith2373 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:59 pm

Question, why do people act like we absolutely have to trade Rondo? Like when the deadline comes we should just trade him for the best offer we get. It's not like he's pulling a Carmelo or CP3 and forcing his way out of town. From everything I've read, Rondo wants to be here and is embracing his role as the leader of the team.
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Post#577 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:16 pm

I don't see Rondo being traded by the deadline. Next year however may be a different story if they cannot reach a contarct agreement. I just don't see any rush to trade him right now. Lets how much progress Ainge makes this summer in the rebuilding process.
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Post#578 » by sweetcity » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:25 pm

he has more value now - next year he expires and the fear that he walks could become real. to hold on longer devalues him
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Post#579 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:26 pm

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Post#580 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:36 pm

BOS ---> Rondo, Crash, Faverani
BOS <--- Parsons, Lin, Hawes, Pelicans 2014 1st, Houston 2015 1st

HOU ---> Parsons, Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 2015 1st, Knicks 2014 2nd
HOU <--- Rondo, Crash, Faverani

PHI ---> Hawes, Pelicans 2014 1st
PHI <--- Asik, Motiejunas, Knicks 2014 2nd

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