Official Trade Thread - Part XXVI

[Rafael122]

Why would you want to re-sign him? What is the incentive on the Wizards part? They are 3 games under .500 w/Ariza having one of his best seasons as a pro. You're re-signing him to do what exactly? What?

[MikeTheKid]

NBATalk_Nekias ‏@ESPN_Nekias 7m
To trade Austin Rivers, the Pellies are willing to package D-League G Pierre Jackson with him. The Wizards are interested, per sources.

Oh please let this happen.. this would be awesome...

I could actually see Ernie making this trading and cutting Pierre or sending him elsewhere in a 3-way deal screwing us over.

Pierre is a legit rotational player

[hands11]

Why would you want to re-sign him? What is the incentive on the Wizards part? They are 3 games under .500 w/Ariza having one of his best seasons as a pro. You're re-signing him to do what exactly? What?

That's why you need to change coaches and get a more accurate look at what you really have.

Against teams that Randy doesn't have to adjust much, they have looked great. They did just beat many of the best of the West and came damn close to winning against 1 or 2 more. They looked great. That wasn't but a week or so ago.

They have shown they can player really well. Problem is when they match up against team like TOR that are younger, athletic and that out coaches Randy, he doesn't adjust to using his younger more athletic players. And if he does figure it out for a game or two, you then quickly forgets what works.

He says they aren't go enough to do this or that, well they aren't good enough for him to play the same exact rotation game ofter game. He can start the same players but who you pull early or not and who you use off the bench is called coaching. Its not paint by numbers.

Example. WIzards started off playing pretty well but just missing some shots. I felt they had a chance. They actually looked pretty good to start the game. But Wall was hot and he was mostly doing his scoring from outside. He made nice passes to Gortat to finish. He needed to drive and try to draw fouls but he was scoring efficient anyway. TOR was also playing at a high level and was scoring a lot inside and hitting a lot of shots. They were to athletic for Nene and Gortat inside and driving. Gortat scored, but he wasn't defending well and TOR offense was moving the Wizards like SAS does. What the Wizards needed on the floor was more speed.

Well eventually Randy went to Kevin and Kevin came in playing with energy and the momentum started the shift. He had a monster rebound. He scored in the paint. He monster dunked. Well Kevin ended the game with only 13 minutes. Randy returned to the slower lined up that were getting beat. And he never even tried Ves who is a good PnR defender and who bring energy, gets tip out and deflections.

Ves get a lot of grief here for not living up to his #6 pick but he is better then how Randy has used him and he is on the team. He is also a high energy player.

The team eventually went flat as TOR beat then down driving and moving the ball. I felt it slowly slipping away and Randy did NOTHING to adjust. The game was over in the 2nd quarter.

He is just a terrible game time coach. Period. If they match up well, they play well. If they don't ( and it always the same type of team that does it to them and he never sees it coming) he never adjusts in a timely manner.

He has so little feel for the game, momentum, energy and what motivates. It like once the game starts, the players are on their own and he will address his concerns in after the game. I would say he never makes the bold moves, but they aren't bold moves. They are regular coaching moves. We only consider them bold moves in the context of talking about Randy. He coaches like it paint by numbers.

[Upper Decker]

You know it really is a shame the way Washington decided to play really well when they shouldn't have against Phoenix, OKC, Portland, and GSW earlier this month. This should have been the stretch that killed the season. As is they're still on life-support, but losing those four games would have them out of the playoffs and make them reevaluate Gortat, Webster, and Ariza at the deadline.

Instead, Terd and his minions will grasp at straws and say they're firmly in the "playoff mix" and make a completely idiotic cap killing trade for next year...welcome aboard Andre Miller!!!

[Rafael122]

Ariza wants to be out West, if he wanted to stay something could have been worked out where he would get paid his market value. But then you just drafted your small forward of the future and have tied up big money into Webster and now Ariza. The writing is on the wall for him (Ariza) to be traded, but this organization is going to cling to him so they can go off this false hope that they are somehow better than .500.

It's pathetic and sad at the same time. I know Nivek said if we let everyone walk, we're not adding to the team but replacing the ones who are no longer w/the team, but honestly...I'd rather them try and tank the rest of the way, get a draft pick and start this over again next year with a new GM and coach.

A shame too, even a Jan for Austin Rivers/Pierre Jackson works in the trade checker. Maybe add a 2nd round pick w/conditions, but its small moves like that that can fill out a team. You're not bringing Jan back, why not grab a scoring point for the bench, and maybe salvage Rivers' career, what is there to lose?

[closg00]

Good Lord!! The Wiz reported interest in Jackson is too-good to be true. Too-good because you can't have faith in Grunfeld to not end-up on the losing end of the trade. Watching hopefully.

[Nivek]

Ariza wants to be out West, if he wanted to stay something could have been worked out where he would get paid his market value. But then you just drafted your small forward of the future and have tied up big money into Webster and now Ariza. The writing is on the wall for him (Ariza) to be traded, but this organization is going to cling to him so they can go off this false hope that they are somehow better than .500.

It's pathetic and sad at the same time. I know Nivek said if we let everyone walk, we're not adding to the team but replacing the ones who are no longer w/the team, but honestly...I'd rather them try and tank the rest of the way, get a draft pick and start this over again next year with a new GM and coach.

A shame too, even a Jan for Austin Rivers/Pierre Jackson works in the trade checker. Maybe add a 2nd round pick w/conditions, but its small moves like that that can fill out a team. You're not bringing Jan back, why not grab a scoring point for the bench, and maybe salvage Rivers' career, what is there to lose?

If it was me, I'd blow it up right now. I'd trade anyone and everyone not named John Wall or Bradley Beal. I'd collect draft picks and expiring contracts, and I'd let the season play out with whatever I can cobble together for the last 29 games.

My emphasis in making trades would be to unload Nenê and Gortat -- both 30+ bigs who are going to be owed a lot of money the next 3-4 years.

But that's just me.

They had a chance to do an authentic reboot when they traded their cap space to New Orleans for Okafor and Ariza. Their "clever" management turned a bundle of cap room and a first round pick into Gortat and Ariza.

[jivelikenice]

I'd agree with this but I don't really consider it blowing it up and can they actually do it?

Unless you get a 1st rd pick, there's no point in trading Ariza;

Gortat would likely get you something;

Martell- Not sure what he'd get you considering his deal. You'd either get an equal type of contract of nothing;

Otto- If we're dumping shouldn't we keep him and let him play?

Lastly Nene. He's nearly impossible to dump. You'll either get zero return of an equally bad contract. If New orleans was willing to do Nene for Gordon I'd 100% do it though. I'm just worried that current mgmt and ownership foolishly consider Nene to be a core piece and fundamental to our young player's development. If you can't dump Nene, then the reboot never gets off the ground.

[Nivek]

I hear ya, jive. Your reasoning is why I was against trading for 30+ year old bigs in the first place. Expensive decline.

Sigh.

[popper]

Assuming Wiz mgmt. won't do the right thing for the teams' long-term interest then I'm hoping for mild ankle sprains to key players for the remainder of the season ...... this in order to keep our first round pick and ensure an exit for GM and coach.

[TGW]

If Nene, Webster, and Maynor was offered up for the poop platter of Marcus Thornton (2 years), Jason Thompson (4 years), Jimmer Fredette (exp), and Aaron Gray (exp) would we do it?

Financially, it would save us a ton of money after next season.

[closg00]

Yikes! Didn't know that Pierre Jackson is only 5"8, wow. Still, I would gladly take him while unloading Singleton/Ves. The Wiz could use a spark-plug scorer like Jackson.

[verbal8]

If Nene, Webster, and Maynor was offered up for the poop platter of Marcus Thornton (2 years), Jason Thompson (4 years), Jimmer Fredette (exp), and Aaron Gray (exp) would we do it?

Financially, it would save us a ton of money after next season.

I would have no interest in the deal with Thompson coming back. Derrick Williams might be more intriguing, probably take Webster/Fredette and Gray out of the deal also.

[jivelikenice]

Jameer Nelson now also a potential target? If they were willing to take on Martell's deal I'd make this move.

[Rafael122]

I'd agree with this but I don't really consider it blowing it up and can they actually do it?

Unless you get a 1st rd pick, there's no point in trading Ariza;

Gortat would likely get you something;

Martell- Not sure what he'd get you considering his deal. You'd either get an equal type of contract of nothing;

Otto- If we're dumping shouldn't we keep him and let him play?

Lastly Nene. He's nearly impossible to dump. You'll either get zero return of an equally bad contract. If New orleans was willing to do Nene for Gordon I'd 100% do it though. I'm just worried that current mgmt and ownership foolishly consider Nene to be a core piece and fundamental to our young player's development. If you can't dump Nene, then the reboot never gets off the ground.

What do you mean there's no point? You don't have to get a first round pick for the guy, a Ariza for Asik and maybe their 39th pick (mind you, not sure Morey would do this since he doesn't like to lose trade deals) works. It gives us a starting caliber center, allows us to move Gortat or let him walk, will help us make the playoffs so the pick isn't going to be that high, and you get a high 2nd rounder that can be used on a big.

[verbal8]

Jameer Nelson now also a potential target? If they were willing to take on Martell's deal I'd make this move.

I think the offer for Nelson should be Vesley/Seraphin/Singleton and min contract - Harrington. Although I am a bit concerned about his health, I think Webster is more valuable to the Wizards than the Magic.

[Dat2U]

Assuming Wiz mgmt. won't do the right thing for the teams' long-term interest then I'm hoping for mild ankle sprains to key players for the remainder of the season ...... this in order to keep our first round pick and ensure an exit for GM and coach.

I hate to feel this way, but I do as well.

The best thing for the long term interests of the Wizards isn't getting embarrassed in the playoffs, it's getting Ernie & Witt fired and replaced with competent basketball people.

Right now the worst thing that could happen to this franchise is making the playoffs this season, especially if it means extensions for everyone including Ernie, Witt, Gortat & Ariza.

[AFM]

From bleacherreport, a terrible site, but what do we think of this trade:

Prediction: Denver Nuggets trade PG Andre Miller to the Washington Wizards for PF Jan Vesely, PG Garrett Temple and a 2015 second-round pick.

[Rafael122]

From bleacherreport, a terrible site, but what do we think of this trade:

Prediction: Denver Nuggets trade PG Andre Miller to the Washington Wizards for PF Jan Vesely, PG Garrett Temple and a 2015 second-round pick.

I'd sub out both Temple and Vesely and insert Singleton and Maynor. There's no way the Wizards are going to keep 2 backup point guards, one of which has a player option while the other has a non-guarantee deal. You can't pay both.

The 2nd round pick would have to be with restrictions as well. We're doing Denver a favor, not the other way around.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

At this point I think the move has to be move Ariza for something. I'll miss what the guy brings, especially defensively, but he's just going to cost too much in the off-season and his offense is too steaky. I'm comfortable rolling with Webster and Porter at the three; I think Webster has it in him to play much better as a starter. If we could get a solid backup big and a pick or a package of 2 players or so that would help the bench out that be great (and of course a 1st would be excellent as well).

Next move,try to get Miller on the cheap. We need a backup PG badly.