Official Trade Thread - Part XXVI

[TGW]

I'm sorry but Kendall Marshal is not that good. I really do not think he is much better than Maynor, when you take the minutes played in to account. N

You can't be serious. Kendall Marshall probably has more double doubles this season than Maynor has in his career.

Depends on what you want. If you want great stats and assists, Marshall is your man. If you want defense and wins....
http://lakeshowlife.com/2014/01/25/lake ... insertion/

If I want defense and wins, I wouldn't want neither, but that's not the choice we had. But if you want to go there, I'd rather have great stats than no stats.

[gambitx777]

I'm not saying I did not want to keep the kid, Would he really be that much better stat wise than maynor, playing 15 minutes a game? IDK. If we kept him that would be fine with me you can not get much worse than maynor either. I'm just saying that his production now, witch is not all that special anyway, he does dish a lot of assists but he hands over a lot of turnovers too, is a product of being handed a crap ton of minutes on a bad and injury filled team. I'm not saying any one who likes him is wrong, it's just my opinion that hes not as good as some people are saying right now.

[jivelikenice]

Piggybacking on David Aldridge's suggestion, why not Martell for Ed davis. Ariza is just worth more than Davis considering both are due contracts this summer. Davis would be a big addition behind a laboring Néne and moving Webster will open up pt for Otto. We'd also same some space under the luxury tax that could go towards a backup pg....

[jangles86]

I'd love us to have Patty Mills on this team, not just because he's a Aussie but he's playing fantastic basketball and would be a great back up for Wall. Makes me wonder how our organization scouts Maynor out and pays him, and you see a guy like Patty Mills who been lighting it up internationally for years get overlooked. Poor scouting by the wiz.

[MikeTheKid]

I cant sleep cause Ive been thinking about possible Ernie trades that may happen today, dont F it up EG but your Grunfeld so I'm preparing for the heartburn!!!

[hands11]

I'd love us to have Patty Mills on this team, not just because he's a Aussie but he's playing fantastic basketball and would be a great back up for Wall. Makes me wonder how our organization scouts Maynor out and pays him, and you see a guy like Patty Mills who been lighting it up internationally for years get overlooked. Poor scouting by the wiz.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... -deadline/

So word is the street is we aren't going to make a deal at the trade deadline.

Washington was interested in Udrih before signing Maynor.

All of this is such a major failure because they so blow the back up PG stop dating back to the season before last when he should have started auditioning Crawford to play there. That lead to an off season of blunders and a summer league of try outs that was a massive failure. It was so bad it wasted summer league for all the other players. Out of that, we got Price and Pargo with Crawford at back up SG with Beal on the floor to start the year with no PG while Wall was injured. Massive failure. And from that we trade Crawford and didn't replace his skills but we did get Barbosa who was injured. Did we later resign him as a back up guard. NO

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... ro-barbosa

Then Okafor goes down just before the season so we go get Gortat and in doing so get Kendall Marshal and Shannon Brown. Both of which we are paying to play else where.

Marshall has quickly played himself into being on of the best young pure PG prospects in the league. High number of assist and he hits the 3 ball.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... l-marshall

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hke01.html
TS .565 10.7 ast/36 ORtg 112 USG 16.3

We sign Maynor instead of even Beno. We miss out on Pierre and Wolters.

And we don't even have a free roster sport to audition anymore.

Forget about all the other EG moves both good and bad. This is beyond a complete failure. They don't have what they need. They have no roster spot open to try anyway and haven't opened one since. They are paying the one of the top young PG prospects in the league to play really well in LA.

I just can't imagine Ted not getting a new GM for next season.

[jivelikenice]

Why are you taking a WAPo article or Randy's word as an indication on if a deal is going to happen? Do your really expect him. To say "yes, I absolutely think we get a new pg tomorrow"? And when has Michael Lee broken any news? Ernie keeps things very quiet. I'm not saying something happens, but for all of his flaws, Ernie doesn't let this stuck leak....

[popper]

Trade somebody dammit.

[fishercob]

Great, important read from Mark Deeks (aka Sham) about the Blake/GSW deal. Very helpful if you want to understand the depth of NBA trade rules.

This rule, however, is often misunderstood. Specifically, it actually states that players cannot be traded within two months of acquisition if their salary is being aggregated with that of another. It is a common misconception that players privy to this rule cannot be dealt in multi-player trades. In actuality they can, as long as the trade is structured as separate, parallel trades in which the relevant player's salary is not aggregated. Because of the Warriors's use of a TPE to absorb Blake, Brooks's salary is not being used in this way, and thus he is able to be sent out in the trade despite the presence of Bazemore.

Because it is big enough to absorb Blake's deal, the use of the Rush TPE also allows Golden State to create two new TPE's equal to Brooks' and Bazemore's salaries. They can do this because each team is able to structure the trade in the way which suits them best, even if said structure is different to how other parties do it. There can be multiple ways to conduct the same trade, and this is evident and important in the creation and usage of TPEs.

This confusing process is best illustrated by way of example. Suppose team A has an $8 million player X, a $5 million TPE and a $3 million TPE, while team B (conveniently!) has a $5 million player Y and a $3 million player Z. Suppose players Y and Z from team B are traded for the $8 million player X from team A alone.

From team B's perspective, the deal is simply players Y and Z and their $8 million aggregated salary in exchange for player X from team A. However, team A can structure the deal so that player Y is absorbed by the $5 million TPE and player Z by the $3 million TPE, thereby allowing them to send out player X for no incomming salary, thereby creating a fresh $8 million TPE for player X. It is perfectly permissible to structure the trade in this way despite it being different to the structure used by the other party, as long as the structure for each party satifies the CBA. And the rule whereby all parties to a trade must give up something in the deal is satisfied by the fact that player X is traded.

The parallel deal structures allowed Blake to be absorbed in a GSW TPE, for GSW to stay below the tax, for GSW two create two small TPE's, and for the Lakers to shed some salary themselves and create a $2.8M TPE.

[mohammed10]

Can you just imagine this scenario...

EG: I'll give you Porter and a 1 rd pick for Udrih
NY GM: Um...
RG: We can include Ariza if u send us Barg too

[mohammed10]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

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[J-Ves]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 7491156993

It seems the deals made these days revolve around fixing EG **** ups

[Rafael122]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 7491156993

Booker is probably being offered for a guy like Miller or Nelson. The others, probably for Udrih.

[fishercob]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 7491156993

Booker is probably being offered for a guy like Miller or Nelson. The others, probably for Udrih.

Wiz aren't trading for Nelson without going over the tax line -- so they aren't trading for Nelson.

Sending out Booker in a deal for Dre Miller is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Highly doubt it happens.

[AFM]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 7491156993

Booker for Udrih? Really???

[Dat2U]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 7491156993

Booker is probably being offered for a guy like Miller or Nelson. The others, probably for Udrih.

Wiz aren't trading for Nelson without going over the tax line -- so they aren't trading for Nelson.

Sending out Booker in a deal for Dre Miller is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Highly doubt it happens.

I hope it happens. Kill our depth up front so we can add someone that can't even space the floor with Wall.

In Ernie, I trust... to unintentionally sabotage this playoff run.

[Rafael122]

God, I really think there is a better deal to be done than this...

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 7491156993

Booker is probably being offered for a guy like Miller or Nelson. The others, probably for Udrih.

Wiz aren't trading for Nelson without going over the tax line -- so they aren't trading for Nelson.

Sending out Booker in a deal for Dre Miller is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Highly doubt it happens.

Booker/Maynor/Singleton/Ves/2nd rounder for Nelson and O'Quinn. Wiz are taking in about $50K in extra salary, and would still be below the luxury tax.

Whether Orlando accepts that trade is another story though.

PG - Wall/Nelson/Temple
SG - Beal/Webster/Rice
SF - Ariza/Porter
PF - Nene/O'Quinn/Harrington
C - Gortat/Seraphin

Frees up 2 roster spots, rotation gets tighter.

[Dark Faze]

So in the case that we state put I wouldn't be against trying to make a play for Melo in the off-season.

Let Ariza and Gortat walk

Sign Melo and sign Okafor on MLE

Wall
Beal
Porter
Melo
Okafor

Temple
GRJ
Web
Book
Nene

Might be the best we can do minus a miracle

[Dark Faze]

two second round picks for Hawes?

dammit Ernie do something

this is terrible

[Nivek]

I have no interest in signing Carmelo. It would take all the team's cap room and would get them a 30-year old who's long been overrated, and is more likely to start declining before his next contract is up.

Also, the cap room MLE would be about $2.7 million. Is Okafor going to sign for that?

I'd like to see the Wizards focus on acquiring younger players who have more of a future than patching together 30+ year olds who are in (or entering) the expensive decline portion of their careers.