Wizards Trade for Andre Miller

[MarcoPolo]

Damn you are Washington Wizards who have problems with picking talent in the TOP 3 lottery pick and you are here crying on 2015 2nd round pick... it's not like you are Spurs who make magic with 2nd rounders

Maynor, Vesely out
Miller in + free roster spot

The only thing i don't like it's just trying to hide horrible move of dropping Marshall from the squad.
Overall i like it.

Vesely #24 Miller was #24 in Denver so it's like a jersay swap

[hands11]

Well, this will be better for all our hearts.

We don't have to smell Maynor anymore.
Those of use that know Ves used properly can contribute won't bitch every game he isn't playing.
It narrows down who Randy isn't using to just Kevin for the bigs. Oh, we still have Singleton as well.
It dots the eye on a serious of bad EG moves so Ted can see how they turned out so he won't resign him.

And it opens a roster spot with the team now at 14 signed

PS.. We are still paying 3 players to not play here costing 13.5M
Ves and Maynor were an additional 5.5M

EG is really managing Ted's money well. Specially since they owe Dray another 8.4M next year.

Who does EG think he works for ... BRK ? NY ?

[dobrojim]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMichaelCSN/status/436565596093038592[/tweet]

Damn. This is a valuable asset.

The WIzards need a little luck.

New Orelans traded their '14 first to Philly in the Jrue Holiday deal. It is top-5 protected. If NOP has no first, it won't be easy for them to get better (they'll have some cap room, but not a ton). If they don't improve, this pick could indeed be valuable.

So lets hope New Orleans jumps up into the top 3 and gets a lot better next year.

we can always hope but those are pretty long odds. They'll be better simply by virtue of AD
being a year older and maybe a little stronger. And presumably having a healthy Holiday.
But it really doesn't matter anyway now that it's done.

[80sballboy]

Damn you are Washington Wizards who has problems with picking talent in the TOP 3 lottery pick and you are here crying on 2015 2nd round pick... it's not like you are Spurs who makes magic with 2nd rounders

Maynor, Vesely out
Miller in + free roster spot

The only thing i don't like it's just trying to hide horrible move of dropping Marshall from the squad.
Overall i like it.

Vesely #24 Miller was #24 in Denver so it's like a jersay swap

Getting rid of two stiffs. Who cares if EG f-ed them up? Trying to win now. Sure, Vesely can do some damage playing with Lawson on break and can defend. But his lack of confidence and horrific foul shooting will limit him from ever being more than a 10mpg player. I always liked Andre Miller even if he's near the end.

[ozthegandp]

Well this will be better for all our heart.

We don't have to smell Maynor anymore.
Those of use that know Ves used properly can contribute won't bitch every game he isn't.
It narrows down who Randy isn't using to Kevin
It dots the eye on a serious of back EG moves so Ted can see how they turned out so he won't resign him.

And it opens a roster spot.

what is wrong with your English. you're usually coherent.

[dobrojim]

Damn you are Washington Wizards who have problems with picking talent in the TOP 3 lottery pick and you are here crying on 2015 2nd round pick... it's not like you are Spurs who make magic with 2nd rounders

Maynor, Vesely out
Miller in + free roster spot

The only thing i don't like it's just trying to hide horrible move of dropping Marshall from the squad.
Overall i like it.

Vesely #24 Miller was #24 in Denver so it's like a jersay swap

sorry - about the only thing positive you can really say about Marshall is that he
had a chance to be better than Maynor. Maynor was the big egg EG laid this past off season.

[ozthegandp]

I wanted miller as a back up back when we had arenas, now he prob only has a yr or two left.

[MarcoPolo]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRG1aXScyk[/youtube]

You can't teach experience.

[Kanyewest]

I like the trade in the sense that it brings in some veteran leadership. Miller is top 10 in assists of all time and is solid if not spectacular. With that being said once again Ernie, made a mistake selecting a European big in the draft. How good would a Wall and Curry backcout be. No disrespect to Beal. I will admit when I first heard we traded for Miller I was afraid it was for Ariza, which would have made me mad. He has been one of our better players all year. But now I am hearing rumblings about an Ariza for Deng swap. I am not sure, but I think I would prefer Ariza. I need to think on it more though. Hopefully this will have a positive affect on the 2nd unit and Wall down the stretch of games where he has run out of gas in the past.

The Wizards would have been a better team with Curry and probably wouldn't have been in the lottery to get John Wall.

[bulletproof_32]

As an aside, and if I’m reading these trades correctly, the 6ers now have 11 picks in the next two drafts (and may add a few more if they decide to trade Turner and/or Young). In 2014, they’ll presumably have 2 lottery picks (assuming they end up with the NO pick) and 5 2nd rounders. In 2015,they have their first and 3 seconds. Craziness.

[payitforward]

Let me know when this trade makes us better

Okay!



And...................................................now!

we can also activate GRJr since we lost 2 players off the roster and only got back one.

Oh, that's big. That's really big.

And he was never anything but "active." It's just that you can only dress 12 players for a game. He might still be in street clothes along w/ Harrington -- unless someone else gets injured....

[payitforward]

So if we like Miller and want to keep him, we get to pay him $4.625 million next year. And if we don't, we get to pay him $2 million not to play for us. How is this good?

I think the logic goes.

You were paying Maynor 2M to not play for you and you didn't want to have him smelling up the bench to do it. That money was already sunk cost.

So for the low low price of 2.6M over what you already sunk, you get an actually NBA player.
If not, 2M gets you an option roster spot.

It makes sense once you consider they already F'd themselves. Its better then were they were.

Keep in mind we aren't paying all of Miller's salary this season....

Plus even if we don't pick up his option, we could sign him for less -- or... maybe not? CBA?

[fishercob]

In a vacuum, this is a good trade that makes the Wizards better today and probably positions them better for short term the future (this offseason).

Zooming out, this trade encapsulates how bad Ernie and his department are at their most basic task -- evaluating talent. Vesely over Leonard and Faried. Maynor at all. Dumping Marshall when he was deposited in our lap. Mistake after mistake after mistake.

While this move was fine on its merits alone it must show Ted beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ernie must go.

[hands11]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10489 ... team-trade

Video Review of the trade.

Who has confidence that Randy can manage the rotation to make it work ?

[tontoz]

I am getting disgusted by people complaining about trading for a 40 year old pg.














He's 37.

[Nivek]

If you think about it, Grunfeld has turned near-max cap space, future 1st and 2nd round picks, a 6th overall pick, and a BAE into Gortat, Ariza and Miller.

All of whom have expiring contracts.

[payitforward]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMichaelCSN/status/436565596093038592[/tweet]

Damn. This is a valuable asset.

Crap.

It's a good trade in the sense that Andre Miller is obviously better than Eric Maynor, and we have an open roster spot now -- in case we want to add a 10-day guy from the D League.

It's a horrible trade, in the sense that it's horrible to have to make the trade -- the guy Ernie expressly targeted and signed on day 1 of free agency was a total piece of crap.

And it's a horrible trade, because we have a guy we picked 6th in the draft who is so bad that all we get for him (and another guy and a high R2 pick) is a 40-year old backup point guard.

More of Ernie cooking up a bowl of soup, pissing in it, and then asking Wizards fans to drink it up! Tastes good, huh?

How this doesn't cost him his job I don't know. He should be fired the day after the trade deadline.

I agree with you on most of your points. The only thing a disagree with you (and a lot of others on this board) is the NOP 2nd round pick. Please explain how it is "high". There looking at the #41 (11th in 2nd) overall this year. They have the best young big man and basketball and a very good and well rounded pg. I dont see how they dont improve quite a bit next year with AD and Jrue getting better, Anderson coming back from injury, and trading Gordon/Evans for another piece.

I think theyll finish just outside the lottery (around pick 45) and we'll finish about the same in the east as this year, but I assume we'll have a slightly better record though. So thats pick 50...

So really were talking about 5 spots in the middle-to-end of the 2nd round in 2015. I really dont see the difference

You're right. But it's just that I didn't make my point the right way. Picks are assets; all picks are. Those 2 picks, for example, might have been traded for a pick at the top of the round. Or made part of a deal that had something to do w/ our future in some other way.

The real point is that we're handicapping our future in order to -- maybe! -- finish one seed higher this year for the playoffs. And do you, do I, should anyone, really think we're going to go somewhere in the playoffs? In particular that we have a reasonable shot of getting to the 2d round? Come on.

[dobrojim]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRG1aXScyk[/youtube]

You can't teach experience.

actually you can teach experience. That's kinda how it happens.
It just takes a while/doesn't happen overnight.

[jeffsays]

If Wall can learn a thing or two from the old man and he helps our bench players, then this trade is fantastic.

[keynote]

If you think about it, Grunfeld has turned near-max cap space, future 1st and 2nd round picks, a 6th overall pick, and a BAE into Gortat, Ariza and Miller.

Actually, it's Gortat, Ariza, Miller...and *memories*.