Otto Porter

mhd · Post #1021 » by **mhd** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:22 am

cdel00 wrote:Does a 2014 pick around #20 sound fair?

If McDermott were to slip that low, I'd easily trade Porter for him.

pancakes3 · Post #1022 » by **pancakes3** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:23 am

As far as draft deals go, I don't think you should trade by number but rather by prospect. IF Otto is on the trade block, have a target prospect in mind and make the call after his name is called.

However, as for Otto in general? I'm not giving up on him but I'm not holding my breath either. He is clearly comfortable playing one way, and our offense functions another way. He can't make the cuts that he's used to because our spacing doesn't allow for it, and it doesn't play to Wall's strengths. If there was a second unit complete with a competent pass-first pg, a highly skilled high post C, and and shooters to open the court up, he would look a lot better. However, he's not a 3 and D guy - at least not good enough to leapfrog Ariza and Webster.

go'stags · Post #1023 » by **go'stags** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:23 am

There's nothing clear about anything. We have hardly seen him play.

gambitx777 · Post #1024 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:26 am

Would any one be willing to trade him away now while he still has that upside? I think he will end up being a good player but would any one be willing to use him in a trade for Greg Monroe ?
Monroe and Jerebko for Porter, Jan, Singleton and some 2ed round picks or assets ? and could that get the trade done ?

mhd · Post #1025 » by **mhd** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:18 pm

Is Porter what Josh Childress was? I remember the fervent ABC (Anybody but Childress) chorus when he came out.

Childress' stats during his last year (junior):
30 MPG
16 PPG
49% FG
40% 3PT
82% FT
3 assist
8 boards
2 blocks
1 steal

Porter:
35 MPG
16 PPG
48% FG
42% 3pt
77% FT
8 boards
3 assists
2 steals
1 block

mohammed10 · Post #1026 » by **mohammed10** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:42 am

gambitx777 wrote:Would any one be willing to trade him away now while he still has that upside? I think he will end up being a good player but would any one be willing to use him in a trade for Greg Monroe ?
Monroe and Jerebko for Porter, Jan, Singleton and some 2ed round picks or assets ? and could that get the trade done ?

For Monroe? I would trade Otto in a heartbeat. Roll with Webster and TA...

JonathanJoseph · Post #1027 » by **JonathanJoseph** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:33 am

go'stags wrote:There's nothing clear about anything. We have hardly seen him play.

+1

gambitx777 · Post #1028 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:06 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Would any one be willing to trade him away now while he still has that upside? I think he will end up being a good player but would any one be willing to use him in a trade for Greg Monroe ?
Monroe and Jerebko for Porter, Jan, Singleton and some 2ed round picks or assets ? and could that get the trade done ?

For Monroe? I would trade Otto in a heartbeat. Roll with Webster and TA...

Well I think that is a realistic trade too, because both teams address needs. It fixes a lot of the pistons line up problems. and they get ride of the floundering Jerebko. Plus the picks could help them too. For use it clearly helps out play off push and clears a spot to bring in a free agent back up guard.

dckingsfan · Post #1029 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:14 pm

JonathanJoseph wrote:
go'stags wrote:There's nothing clear about anything. We have hardly seen him play.

+1

And if his cap hit wasn't so large, that wouldn't be a problem at all...

verbal8 · Post #1030 » by **verbal8** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:04 pm

I would be curious to see where Nivek had Childress rated. From a quick look, he looks like he was a good prospect.

IMO the biggest issue with Childress' NBA career has been the lack of a 3 point shot. His 2 point% has been very good and he gets to the line. I think Childress with a decent 3 point shot, could have increased his usage to a normal level and still been very efficient closer in.

Maybe not the superstar you are hoping for, but a player that can help a team win games.

mhd wrote:Is Porter what Josh Childress was? I remember the fervent ABC (Anybody but Childress) chorus when he came out.

Childress' stats during his last year (junior):
30 MPG
16 PPG
49% FG
40% 3PT
82% FT
3 assist
8 boards
2 blocks
1 steal

Porter:
35 MPG
16 PPG
48% FG
42% 3pt
77% FT
8 boards
3 assists
2 steals
1 block

Dark Faze · Post #1031 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:26 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Would any one be willing to trade him away now while he still has that upside? I think he will end up being a good player but would any one be willing to use him in a trade for Greg Monroe ?
Monroe and Jerebko for Porter, Jan, Singleton and some 2ed round picks or assets ? and could that get the trade done ?

id rather just see if he's a bust or not

The center position is such that it's really not that hard to get a decent starting C these days. Look around the league and count how many teams have terrible centers--there aren't that many anymore. And it's just going to become a stronger position next year with Okafor.

Strong two way wings are much harder to get imo so I'd rather sit on Porter and see whats happening than to trade him.

gambitx777 · Post #1032 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:21 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Would any one be willing to trade him away now while he still has that upside? I think he will end up being a good player but would any one be willing to use him in a trade for Greg Monroe ?
Monroe and Jerebko for Porter, Jan, Singleton and some 2ed round picks or assets ? and could that get the trade done ?

id rather just see if he's a bust or not

The center position is such that it's really not that hard to get a decent starting C these days. Look around the league and count how many teams have terrible centers--there aren't that many anymore. And it's just going to become a stronger position next year with Okafor.

Strong two way wings are much harder to get imo so I'd rather sit on Porter and see whats happening than to trade him.

You are not getting Monroe for the 5 , you are getting him for the 4, then you can bring nene off the bench. also it clears a spot so we can bring in a PG.

FAH1223 · Post #1033 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:23 pm

With Webster hobbling, we should play Otto about 10 minutes or so...

gambitx777 · Post #1034 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:11 pm

Well he should have been in the D league the whole time. ! but for some reason E.G. has a thing where he does not like to send players down.

Kanyewest · Post #1035 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:12 pm

verbal8 wrote:I would be curious to see where Nivek had Childress rated. From a quick look, he looks like he was a good prospect.

IMO the biggest issue with Childress' NBA career has been the lack of a 3 point shot. His 2 point% has been very good and he gets to the line. I think Childress with a decent 3 point shot, could have increased his usage to a normal level and still been very efficient closer in.

Maybe not the superstar you are hoping for, but a player that can help a team win games.

mhd wrote:Is Porter what Josh Childress was? I remember the fervent ABC (Anybody but Childress) chorus when he came out.

Childress' stats during his last year (junior):
30 MPG
16 PPG
49% FG
40% 3PT
82% FT
3 assist
8 boards
2 blocks
1 steal

Porter:
35 MPG
16 PPG
48% FG
42% 3pt
77% FT
8 boards
3 assists
2 steals
1 block

I remember being anti Childress. Maybe it wasn't Childress so much but it was the fact that there were better prospects on the board IMO like Iguodala (who I would have taken if the Wizards instead of the Jamison trade) or Deng.

Dark Faze · Post #1036 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:03 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Would any one be willing to trade him away now while he still has that upside? I think he will end up being a good player but would any one be willing to use him in a trade for Greg Monroe ?
Monroe and Jerebko for Porter, Jan, Singleton and some 2ed round picks or assets ? and could that get the trade done ?

id rather just see if he's a bust or not

The center position is such that it's really not that hard to get a decent starting C these days. Look around the league and count how many teams have terrible centers--there aren't that many anymore. And it's just going to become a stronger position next year with Okafor.

Strong two way wings are much harder to get imo so I'd rather sit on Porter and see whats happening than to trade him.

You are not getting Monroe for the 5 , you are getting him for the 4, then you can bring nene off the bench. also it clears a spot so we can bring in a PG.

Monroe is just above average at the 4--not worth the max he'd cost

He's only all star worthy at center--his true position

Mizerooskie · Post #1037 » by **Mizerooskie** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:39 am

Apologies if this has been posted, but as far as I can tell, since 1983, there's been one top-3 pick to average under 10 minutes per game his rookie season.

That player?

Darko Milicic.

Otto is on track to join an exclusive group.

Post #1038 » by **nate33** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:01 am

Mizerooskie wrote:Apologies if this has been posted, but as far as I can tell, since 1983, there's been one top-3 pick to average under 10 minutes per game his rookie season.

That player?

Darko Milicic.

Otto is on track to join an exclusive group.

Although to be fair, it's not a coincidence that Darko also happened to be drafted by a team with a "win now" mentality. Most top 3 picks go to rebuilding teams.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #1039 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:02 am

Mizerooskie wrote:Apologies if this has been posted, but as far as I can tell, since 1983, there's been one top-3 pick to average under 10 minutes per game his rookie season.

That player?

Darko Milicic.

Otto is on track to join an exclusive group.

Milicic probably didn't start out his career injured, with two high quality players ahead of him on the depth chart from the jump though.

Mizerooskie · Post #1040 » by **Mizerooskie** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:58 am

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Mizerooskie wrote:Apologies if this has been posted, but as far as I can tell, since 1983, there's been one top-3 pick to average under 10 minutes per game his rookie season.

That player?

Darko Milicic.

Otto is on track to join an exclusive group.

Milicic probably didn't start out his career injured, with two high quality players ahead of him on the depth chart from the jump though.

I'm failing to see who the two 'high quality' players are. I see a whole lot of average on the Wizards' roster.

And you don't think over the course of 30 years, other top-3 picks have had to beat out average/decent players for playing time?