Zach LaVine

miltk · Post #161 » by **miltk** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:57 am

Mark_83 wrote:
miltk wrote:he has not completed an ally oop yet this season.

2:03-2:06

http://www.uclabruins.com/mediaPortal/p ... id=3113617

ahhh, a game i never saw...BUT he STILL caught the ball with TWO hands

miltk · Post #162 » by **miltk** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:17 am

tonight, adams and anderson have been suspended for the game against oregon. so zach plays all 40 minutes, maybe at both guard spots,,,who knows. it's an important game for UCLA to stay in 2nd place and oregon is good but not l'ville or 'cuse.

MellowRose · Post #163 » by **MellowRose** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:57 am

LaVine playing really well right now. Missed 2 easy bunnies. He seriously needs to learn how to finish around the rim, because he can't do it at all right now.

ManualRam · Post #164 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:26 am

i thought he played well. had a solid floor game, flashed some playmaking, breakdown ability, got to spots on the floor. no TOs was nice. didn't shoot it as well as he can. finishing was hit and miss, more miss early but made a few layups in the 2nd half. defense was good though, albeit mostly in a zone. he's so quick laterally.

miltk · Post #165 » by **miltk** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:52 am

the kid is quick on quick, physically and mentally, but i have a problem with his lack of cajones. there ARE players who never get the hang of that mano a mano stuff.

MellowRose · Post #166 » by **MellowRose** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:21 am

ManualRam wrote:i thought he played well. had a solid floor game, flashed some playmaking, breakdown ability, got to spots on the floor. no TOs was nice. didn't shoot it as well as he can. finishing was hit and miss, more miss early but made a few layups in the 2nd half. defense was good though, albeit mostly in a zone. he's so quick laterally.

Yea, LaVine = quick.

Why do you guys think that LaVine can't make those "contact" layups consistently? In the first half, he missed like 2-3 easy layups that he should've made.

Also, is this something he can correct, given time?

Finally, how well do you think a backcourt of LaVine and Oladipo would do? Personally, I think they'd be one of the best, and also have one of the highest ceilings.

MellowRose · Post #167 » by **MellowRose** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:23 am

miltk wrote:the kid is quick on quick, physically and mentally, but i have a problem with his lack of cajones. there ARE players who never get the hang of that mano a mano stuff.

If he did do more of that ISO stuff, people would be quick to call him J.R. and he'd drop like a fly on the boards. Glad he's so unselfish and a willing passer. I see him making a transition in the NBA to a PG easily. So smooth with the ball - poetry in motion.

GANGSTERDOG · Post #168 » by **GANGSTERDOG** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:54 pm

I love and Oladipo Lavine Combo. So much Untapped Talent. 2 Years from now I can see

Oladipo- 17/4.9/5.1
Lavine- 16/2.5/4.5

Points/Rbs/Assists

ManualRam · Post #169 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:14 pm

MellowRose wrote:
ManualRam wrote:i thought he played well. had a solid floor game, flashed some playmaking, breakdown ability, got to spots on the floor. no TOs was nice. didn't shoot it as well as he can. finishing was hit and miss, more miss early but made a few layups in the 2nd half. defense was good though, albeit mostly in a zone. he's so quick laterally.

Yea, LaVine = quick.

Why do you guys think that LaVine can't make those "contact" layups consistently? In the first half, he missed like 2-3 easy layups that he should've made.

Also, is this something he can correct, given time?

Finally, how well do you think a backcourt of LaVine and Oladipo would do? Personally, I think they'd be one of the best, and also have one of the highest ceilings.

one reason he doesn't finish through contact is obvious: he's physically weak. zach doesn't know how to play to contact either. he had a drive in the 2nd half where it looked like he was trying to create contact, and if it wasn't for a cheap reach in, it would've been a clear offensive foul on his part. there are subtle movements that good finishers have that enable them to create the contact without barreling into the defense, just getting a piece of them, while protecting the ball and maneuvering to get off a clean release. zach doesn't have that and i don't know how much of that is correctable, since a lot of that is instinctual. he also doesn't know how to slow his momentum down when he gets to to the rim. he takes his momentum straight to the backboard resulting in hard shots off the backboard. better footwork around the painted area would probably help in this area as zach's footwork in that area is pretty poor. just compare his finishing to that of someone like delon wright, who is equally thin but has amazing footwork and is more clever in how he uses his body. it's like night and day. until he gets stronger and improves his footwork he should probably look to use more floaters (of which he has in his arsenal), flop or look to dump it off. he's lightning fast so he can collapse the D pretty easily, but he should drive to pass more imo.

an oladipo/lavine backcourt would be super athletic to say the least, i think they'd be fantastic on defense and transition, but i'd worry about the decision making there. i still think lavine's future is at the 2. i feel the same way about oladipo.

MellowRose · Post #170 » by **MellowRose** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:58 pm

IDK I can't explain it. I'm just in love with LaVine's game, and can't stop thinking about the potential he has.

Yall ever had a player you fell in love with like this before lol?

reanimator · Post #171 » by **reanimator** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:05 pm

I like his game.

Another one of those 6'5'' - 6'6'' comboguards that seem to be trending : Wright, Exum, LeVert, Clarkston, Smart, Selden, Payton, Harrisons, Dinwiddie..

Just needs to come back for his sophomore year and add strength and get more minutes/reps

miltk · Post #172 » by **miltk** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:29 pm

MellowRose wrote:IDK I can't explain it. I'm just in love with LaVine's game, and can't stop thinking about the potential he has.

Yall ever had a player you fell in love with like this before lol?

yeah, rose and westbrook.

zach's style points is transcendent. there isn't one small thing he does that doesn't have style and flash. he's attractive to watch, like you want to see him do something every time he has the ball, because you know it'll be entertaining.

EMG518 · Post #173 » by **EMG518** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 3:03 am

Im curious to see what his decision is for the draft. I dont see a team taking him in the lottery but for someone who wasnt highly touted coming out of high school I imagine the allure of going in the 1st round might be enough for him.

Jazzfan12 · Post #174 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 3:04 am

Terrence Ross/Gerald Green seems like a likely scenario or is he too small to reach that level?

ManualRam · Post #175 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 3:38 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:Terrence Ross/Gerald Green seems like a likely scenario or is he too small to reach that level?

he's not as tall as either. lengthwise he's probably longer than ross, with a similar thin build. i think he's more similar to b.mclemore size wise and athletically, looks a little longer too. what he has over all 3 of the aforementioned is that he's comfortable handling the ball and has some shake to him. what the latter translates to, who knows, but that ability does open up more possibilities for him.

miltk · Post #176 » by **miltk** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 5:31 am

EMG518 wrote:Im curious to see what his decision is for the draft. I dont see a team taking him in the lottery but for someone who wasnt highly touted coming out of high school I imagine the allure of going in the 1st round might be enough for him.

it might be different since he's had a taste of possibly something better than just being a 1st rounder.

Dr Positivity · Post #177 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 10:37 pm

He's the type of prospect I worry about for wing players. First, he's a player drafted for his athleticism, but his game doesn't have an athletic impact on the game - meaning he's not attacking the basket off the dribble. Secondly, I don't trust a shooting prospect who's shaky at FTs (currently <70% albeit SSS), in addition 3.6 3pt attempts a game is hardly elite volume. It doesn't mean he can't be a good shooter but it does mean it's not a Stauskas or McDermott situation where you're cashing that cheque as a shooter ahead of time

MellowRose · Post #178 » by **MellowRose** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 11:18 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:He's the type of prospect I worry about for wing players. First, he's a player drafted for his athleticism, but his game doesn't have an athletic impact on the game - meaning he's not attacking the basket off the dribble. Secondly, I don't trust a shooting prospect who's shaky at FTs (currently <70% albeit SSS), in addition 3.6 3pt attempts a game is hardly elite volume. It doesn't mean he can't be a good shooter but it does mean it's not a Stauskas or McDermott situation where you're cashing that cheque as a shooter ahead of time

He's playing within the system and extremely unselfishly. I'd say his potential is the bigger reason teams will draft him. More so than his athleticism alone.

DirtyDez · Post #179 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Mar 1, 2014 11:31 pm

Anderson and Adams are probably leaving so it's his team next year. He should dominate like Curry at Davidson.

miltk · Post #180 » by **miltk** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 12:45 am

DirtyDez wrote:Anderson and Adams are probably leaving so it's his team next year. He should dominate like Curry at Davidson.

adams isn't on the radar. and with an inconsistent 3, there's nothing to really hang his hat on except steals and court smarts but that doesn't get it done in the nba. he came it at around 40 > 60 ranked hs player, those guys don't leave unless they explode. he's playing as a solid 40>60 player should and therefore should leave just as a 40 > 60 player should.

note: the scouts who frequent pauley and sit together in the bleachers are not looking at him.
note: isaac hamilton, who is sitting out the year, is the superior frosh in practice.
note: curry stayed 3yrs