Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

Nivek · Post #181 » by **Nivek** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 9:03 pm

Hidden Eye wrote:Ryan Anderson is the same player as Harrington,

Huh?

I guess...you know, if Harrington was ever as good as he was believed to be.

Post #182 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 9:41 pm

Elmore Smith was the same player as Lew Alcindor.

Nivek · Post #183 » by **Nivek** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:50 pm

Ruzious wrote:Elmore Smith was the same player as Lew Alcindor.

I preferred Elmore Leonard.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #184 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:19 am

Leonard - Hearns was one of the best fights ever

Post #185 » by **montestewart** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 1:38 pm

Nivek wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Elmore Smith was the same player as Lew Alcindor.

I preferred Elmore Leonard.

I liked Elmore Fudd.

Nivek · Post #186 » by **Nivek** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:18 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Leonard - Hearns was one of the best fights ever

Yes it was. I told my sons the legend of this fight not long ago. This is the one where Hearns detached Leonard's retina, and Leonard came back and knocked him out. I used to love boxing.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #187 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 6:07 pm

Nivek wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Leonard - Hearns was one of the best fights ever

Yes it was. I told my sons the legend of this fight not long ago. This is the one where Hearns detached Leonard's retina, and Leonard came back and knocked him out. I used to love boxing.

I'm with you on this. It makes you wonder if, in a couple decades, we'll look back at football and wonder how we allowed ourselves to enjoy it. This line of reasoning is undoubtedly behind the NFL's gradual removal of hitting from the game.

Of course, non of this has anything to do with NBA trades.

So, I'll conclude by saying that Leonard Nimoy was a fine Spock.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #188 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 9:40 pm

Trade thread. ..boxing....Carmelo retreated/ran from Jeffries but now trains in boxing....

MMA has completely captivated me.

Now, I am a lot less enamored with the repeated blows to the head aspect of boxing. I don't enjoy low level boxing at all any more. MMA has a whole lot more going on. It's IMO even more of a science than "the sweet science" of boxing.

One caveat: I still enjoy seeing two world-class boxers getting after each other. Pacquio, Morales, Bradley, Mayweather, etc. I can appreciate.

Sugar Elmore?

Who remembers Elmore Smith?

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Post #189 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 11:30 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Trade thread. ..boxing....Carmelo retreated/ran from Jeffries but now trains in boxing....

MMA has completely captivated me.

Now, I am a lot less enamored with the repeated blows to the head aspect of boxing. I don't enjoy low level boxing at all any more. MMA has a whole lot more going on. It's IMO even more of a science than "the sweet science" of boxing.

One caveat: I still enjoy seeing two world-class boxers getting after each other. Pacquio, Morales, Bradley, Mayweather, etc. I can appreciate.

Sugar Elmore?

Who remembers Elmore Smith?

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Elmore Smith was part of one of the biggest trades in history - Lew Alcindor for Smith, hustling PF Dave Meyers, smoooooth swingman Junior Bridgeman, and sweet shooting Brian Winters. Smith was a legit huge talent - he led the NBA 2 straight years in blocked shots (shortly after they started tracking blocks) and was credited for setting the record for most in a game - I think 17. And he wasn't bad on offense. But he became the Joe Barry Carroll (barely caring) of his day - fairly or not, I don't know - he got a lousy reputation and barely made a dent with the Bucks.

jivelikenice · Post #190 » by **jivelikenice** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:09 am

Are we allowed to deal our first rd pick in '15 after the draft?

verbal8 · Post #191 » by **verbal8** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 1:14 pm

jivelikenice wrote:Are we allowed to deal our first rd pick in '15 after the draft?

I think the only way to deal the '15 pick is completing the trade after that draft. There may be some exclusion if the Wizards acquire another 1st rounder, but I don't see that happening with the current GM.

jivelikenice · Post #192 » by **jivelikenice** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 3:16 pm

Ahh...so even after the '14 draft concludes, we're absolutely restricted from dealing our '15 pick until after we pick in June '15...

JAR69 · Post #193 » by **JAR69** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 3:43 am

That's not how I read Larry Coon's FAQ on the Stepien Rule:

The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2011-12 season, then a team can trade its 2012 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2011 pick, since their 2011 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2012 and 2013 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years, or by giving one team the right to swap picks with the other.

verbal8 · Post #194 » by **verbal8** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 12:55 pm

JAR69 wrote:That's not how I read Larry Coon's FAQ on the Stepien Rule:

The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2011-12 season, then a team can trade its 2012 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2011 pick, since their 2011 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2012 and 2013 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years, or by giving one team the right to swap picks with the other.

Ah so once the 2014 draft occurs the Wizards could deal their 2015 1st rounder.

Also it has to be a 1st rounder, not the team's first rounder:

Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their own first round pick. Teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.

jivelikenice · Post #195 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 5:43 pm

That's interesting. A first coupled with either Ariza in a S&T or Webster (assuming in that scenario Ariza re-signs) could be a valuable in terms of finding a young 4 to start next to Gortat. It could open the door to guys like Faried/Thad Young or maybe someone in the RFA market (Monroe revisited?)....

Post #196 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 7:42 pm

jivelikenice wrote:That's interesting. A first coupled with either Ariza in a S&T or Webster (assuming in that scenario Ariza re-signs) could be a valuable in terms of finding a young 4 to start next to Gortat. It could open the door to guys like Faried/Thad Young or maybe someone in the RFA market (Monroe revisited?)....

If anything, the Wizards should be getting a pick back, not trading a valuable piece in Ariza or Webster and trading a pick as well.

I think you can find a market for Webster, 2 yr deal for about $11 mil. Reasonable, good locker room guy.

verbal8 · Post #197 » by **verbal8** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 7:46 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:That's interesting. A first coupled with either Ariza in a S&T or Webster (assuming in that scenario Ariza re-signs) could be a valuable in terms of finding a young 4 to start next to Gortat. It could open the door to guys like Faried/Thad Young or maybe someone in the RFA market (Monroe revisited?)....

If anything, the Wizards should be getting a pick back, not trading a valuable piece in Ariza or Webster and trading a pick as well.

I think you can find a market for Webster, 2 yr deal for about $11 mil. Reasonable, good locker room guy.

I think the point would be to get a better/younger player in return - especially someone at PF.

deneem4 · Post #198 » by **deneem4** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 11:08 pm

verbal8 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:That's interesting. A first coupled with either Ariza in a S&T or Webster (assuming in that scenario Ariza re-signs) could be a valuable in terms of finding a young 4 to start next to Gortat. It could open the door to guys like Faried/Thad Young or maybe someone in the RFA market (Monroe revisited?)....

If anything, the Wizards should be getting a pick back, not trading a valuable piece in Ariza or Webster and trading a pick as well.

I think you can find a market for Webster, 2 yr deal for about $11 mil. Reasonable, good locker room guy.

I think the point would be to get a better/younger player in return - especially someone at PF.

I think webster can fetch us that Sacramento contract for thompson...they bigs are set with cousins, evans, landry, Williams and they just signed on Joyce wright....thompson not the best big but he does play next to cousins and he's a big guy...maybe he just needs a change of scenery....

Post #199 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 11:14 pm

deneem4 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
If anything, the Wizards should be getting a pick back, not trading a valuable piece in Ariza or Webster and trading a pick as well.

I think you can find a market for Webster, 2 yr deal for about $11 mil. Reasonable, good locker room guy.

I think the point would be to get a better/younger player in return - especially someone at PF.

I think webster can fetch us that Sacramento contract for thompson...they bigs are set with cousins, evans, landry, Williams and they just signed on Joyce wright....thompson not the best big but he does play next to cousins and he's a big guy...maybe he just needs a change of scenery....

Thompson isn't terrible, but he's not worth his contract - over 6 mil a year for the next 2 seasons plus 2.5 mil buyout the season after that.

Dat2U · Post #200 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Mar 6, 2014 11:15 pm

deneem4 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
If anything, the Wizards should be getting a pick back, not trading a valuable piece in Ariza or Webster and trading a pick as well.

I think you can find a market for Webster, 2 yr deal for about $11 mil. Reasonable, good locker room guy.

I think the point would be to get a better/younger player in return - especially someone at PF.

I think webster can fetch us that Sacramento contract for thompson...they bigs are set with cousins, evans, landry, Williams and they just signed on Joyce wright....thompson not the best big but he does play next to cousins and he's a big guy...maybe he just needs a change of scenery....

Thompson is just a guy. A guy that isn't starter quality by any means, but yet gets paid by one. He isn't better than Webster, his performance at his position is far inferior than Webster playing at SG or SF. We can do better.