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Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1121 » by hege53190 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:56 pm

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hege53190 wrote:So from a Bucks perspective, what is Teague's trade value this summer. Would you do just a salary dump? Salary Dump plus a second? Would we need to throw in a future first?

Just trying to gauge his cost.

It definitely won't be just a salary dump, if it was that then we wouldn't have matched him last summer in the first place. I think a mid to late first would have to be given for Teague: he's still young, has been very good (albeit inconsistent at times) and is signed into a team friendly contract which the Bucks themselves gave to him.


So no salary going back and a mid to late first round pick. Would the #31 pick work?
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Post#1122 » by theatlfan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:21 pm

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hege53190 wrote:So from a Bucks perspective, what is Teague's trade value this summer. Would you do just a salary dump? Salary Dump plus a second? Would we need to throw in a future first?

Just trying to gauge his cost.

It definitely won't be just a salary dump, if it was that then we wouldn't have matched him last summer in the first place. I think a mid to late first would have to be given for Teague: he's still young, has been very good (albeit inconsistent at times) and is signed into a team friendly contract which the Bucks themselves gave to him.


So no salary going back and a mid to late first round pick. Would the #31 pick work?

I can't see this working - no. For some reference, Jrue Holiday pulled down 2 lotto picks without $$ coming back last year. I'm not asking for a similar return for Teague, but the disparity on the court doesn't describe the disparity in return either.

Personally, I'm waiting for the draft to fall out before attempting a Teague to MIL deal. The deals I see are either something along the lines of Teague + a protected 1st for Sanders or Teague for Ilyasova + the protected 1st.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1123 » by parson » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:32 am

theatlfan wrote:Personally, I'm waiting for the draft to fall out before attempting a Teague to MIL deal. The deals I see are either something along the lines of Teague + a protected 1st for Sanders or Teague for Ilyasova + the protected 1st.

Cannot understand Ilyasova's attraction for us. Are we going to start him at PF? At SF over Carroll? Will he replace Scott as backup scoring PF?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1124 » by theatlfan » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:51 am

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theatlfan wrote:Personally, I'm waiting for the draft to fall out before attempting a Teague to MIL deal. The deals I see are either something along the lines of Teague + a protected 1st for Sanders or Teague for Ilyasova + the protected 1st.
Cannot understand Ilyasova's attraction for us. Are we going to start him at PF? At SF over Carroll? Will he replace Scott as backup scoring PF?
First and foremost, it could be a buy low opportunity and that's always a good trade. One option is a three way trade; if not that, then our end game would obviously be to deal Millsap to open up the minutes to rehab Ilyasova. Just think that having Korver and Ilyasova together in the same lineup would literally stretch opposing D to the breaking point which, in turn, would give each of them each more open shots and an open lane for the other 3. Down the road, that could only mean that Ilyasova and Korver would have more value if we were re-packaging either down the road. In the end, it's all about amassing the assets to make the move for the star / superstar level player and I think we could end up with more trade value in trading Millsap now and getting Ilyasova+ in for Teague than we would by holding Millsap and dealing Teague to someone else.

Even having said all the above, my preference would be to deal for Sanders. I find Sanders a much bigger risk than Ilyasova (think the injuries are more of a sign of things to come than a 1-year blip), but I'd still take the chance on Sanders right now. Considering the value difference (I'd expect to get sweetener on the Ilyasova deal while I'd expect to give it up in the Sanders deal) it's a near thing though.
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Post#1125 » by FCNATL85 » Sun Mar 2, 2014 11:21 pm

Moving forward...
Atl sends Horford + 2nd to OKC and future 1st to ORL (or Jenkins)

OKC sends Perkins + 1st rd (currently #22 0r 29) to ORL + Adams to ATL

ORL sends Nelson and Vucevic to ATL

ATL: Horford + 14 2nd + future 1st for Adams, Vucevic and Nelson
Rebuild with young talent at C + cap when time to resign them

OKC gets rid of a salary and get a good complement to Ibaka to make a run now!

ORL trades cap space (Nelson-Perkins) and rebuild with youth. Gets 2 first: one from OKC now and then one from us later to help their rebuilding process...Could ask for Muscala if he finishes the year well for us.
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Teague- Schroeder- Mack
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1126 » by dms269 » Mon Mar 3, 2014 1:49 am

I don't see there being enough going back to Orlando to warrant them giving up Vucevic.
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Post#1127 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 3, 2014 7:45 am

uga_dawgs24 wrote:I don't see there being enough going back to Orlando to warrant them giving up Vucevic.


Agreed. Vucevic is one of the top young Centers in this league. This trade has him being given up for Perkins and a couple of middling draft picks. Even if they get the #1 pick and draft Embiid, they could get more value for Vucevic in trade than table scraps.
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Post#1128 » by theatlfan » Tue Mar 4, 2014 4:48 am

FCNATL85 wrote:Moving forward...
Atl sends Horford + 2nd to OKC and future 1st to ORL (or Jenkins)

OKC sends Perkins + 1st rd (currently #22 0r 29) to ORL + Adams to ATL

ORL sends Nelson and Vucevic to ATL

IF we strike out in FA this season, then I wouldn't mind revisiting this deal except with cutting out ORL.

I'd think something along the lines Horford for Perkins + Adams + other assets could be interesting from both teams. OKC ends up with a front court of Ibaka / Horford and we get a young C along with more youth to build around. There are significant holes here (e.g., "other assets"), but I like that framework as a starting point.
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Post#1129 » by FCNATL85 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 1:42 am

Or we could unload Perkins to a 3rd team or keep him as cap space while getting #22 from OKC.

Al for Perk, Adams and #22, and fillers as need o both sides
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Post#1130 » by FCNATL85 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 3:06 am

Here is an idea:

Al. Jenkins and 2nd

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Perkins (cap), Adams, Lamb and #29
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Post#1131 » by FCNATL85 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 3:08 am

PS: we could get 1 or 2 nd back in a trade for Perk, just with 8M+ on one year left in his contract...
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Post#1132 » by lakerhater » Fri Mar 7, 2014 11:47 pm

theatlfan wrote:
FCNATL85 wrote:Moving forward...
Atl sends Horford + 2nd to OKC and future 1st to ORL (or Jenkins)

OKC sends Perkins + 1st rd (currently #22 0r 29) to ORL + Adams to ATL

ORL sends Nelson and Vucevic to ATL

IF we strike out in FA this season, then I wouldn't mind revisiting this deal except with cutting out ORL.

I'd think something along the lines Horford for Perkins + Adams + other assets could be interesting from both teams. OKC ends up with a front court of Ibaka / Horford and we get a young C along with more youth to build around. There are significant holes here (e.g., "other assets"), but I like that framework as a starting point.


Is that really all you guys would want for Horford? That looks like a total steal for OKC. Adams is a decent center but he's likely a backup most of his career and if he does start he'd probably always reside in the lower tier of starting centers. Neither he or any of the other parts Okc could put into such a deal look like a centerpiece part to me. If Atl is looking to deal Horford for backups, low draft picks and expiring contracts there should be a lot of teams wanting in on that bidding.
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Post#1133 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Mar 8, 2014 1:19 am

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Is that really all you guys would want for Horford? That looks like a total steal for OKC. Adams is a decent center but he's likely a backup most of his career and if he does start he'd probably always reside in the lower tier of starting centers. Neither he or any of the other parts Okc could put into such a deal look like a centerpiece part to me. If Atl is looking to deal Horford for backups, low draft picks and expiring contracts there should be a lot of teams wanting in on that bidding.


Dude, thank you. We go a few weeks without seeing him play and we completely forget how valuable, effective, efficient he is. Dude's been All Star, All NBA, but we're ready to give him up for scraps and unproven players and make Millsap our building block. We just gotta get AL Horford healthy and playing his preferred position of PF. We've had little no depth in the front court for most of the last decade.

Thank you for that unbiased input. It boggles the mind how quickly we forget just how good this dude is.
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Post#1134 » by ATL Boy » Sat Mar 8, 2014 1:43 am

lakerhater wrote:Is that really all you guys would want for Horford? That looks like a total steal for OKC. Adams is a decent center but he's likely a backup most of his career and if he does start he'd probably always reside in the lower tier of starting centers. Neither he or any of the other parts Okc could put into such a deal look like a centerpiece part to me. If Atl is looking to deal Horford for backups, low draft picks and expiring contracts there should be a lot of teams wanting in on that bidding.

Co-Signed. This isn't close to what Horford would be worth. Adams, Lamb, and a really late first? And then Perkins who's not worth his contract? Come on guys.
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Post#1135 » by FCNATL85 » Sat Mar 8, 2014 1:49 am

Perkins + 2nd would get us a good player for a team in search of cp room for the following year...
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Post#1136 » by FCNATL85 » Sat Mar 8, 2014 2:12 am

Adding a Jeff Green from BOS, Ryan Anderson from NO, Thaddeus Young from Phil, teams looking for bigger fish in FA...
so you end up trading Al+ Jenkins+ a couple of 2nd for Lamb, Adams (he will be huge before get healthy for good!), # 22 or 29 and one of the above...
Not bad IMO...
PS: i am not suggesting that we are building around Sap who only has one year left ... I talking a bout bringing youth with experience, a pick (in addition to ours) + a SF vet...To me it seems quite fair and up to value with Al
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Post#1137 » by azuresou1 » Sat Mar 8, 2014 2:12 am

I don't know if that's true. The teams that are looking to make big moves in 2016 are already working on their cap situation. And that's too much of a 'maybe' even if it is true.

As for Adams, I like him but IMO he really is a Gortat-like C - a very solid two way C who nevertheless will never be anything special. Great for a team like OKC which currently has a very immobile and offensively challenged Perk, but not so great if we're sending out Al Horford for him, who is simply better.
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Post#1138 » by FCNATL85 » Sun Mar 9, 2014 6:35 am

Adams is already bigger and stronger than Gortat and is still very raw...
I think he has more potential than Gortat but he would not be coming alone...

Adams, Lamb, Thad (or one of the 2 mentioned) and #22 or 29 for Al and Jen

Considering that you could pack 22 and current to move up, could turn up to be Adams, Lamb, Thad and a young stud for Al + JJ2...Not bad if you ask me...

Always better to have multiple assets as we are not done yet...Give you flex in trades but also in Draft
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Post#1139 » by MaceCase » Sun Mar 9, 2014 3:38 pm

I do not remember the exact line that TheATLFan used before but it was something along the lines of he'd rather trade a dollar for 4 quarters than 100 pennies. This looks like a 100 pennies type of trade where there are a just a lot of low to mid tier at best assets being moved for Al. If you're moving Al you have to look a top 10 pick and/or young player that has actually strung together more than a few good games. Adams is the centerpiece of this deal and he's meh, he's not doing himself any favors either with his performances starting in the place of a currently injured Perkins.
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Post#1140 » by Vator » Sun Mar 9, 2014 7:37 pm

So out of your 2 starting PF, I'm seeing more and more of you thinking about giving up Horford instead of Millsap...yes?

Curious as to what the reasoning is behind this.

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