Terrence Ross is unbelievable

[Toni]

He will be a good 6th man but I don't see him having All-Star potential or anything like that. Maybe a couple more years of experience and some size will change my opinion, because he has a lot of tools and is a good ball player.

[mrsocko]

Draft Express says Ross is 6 ft 7 in shoes 6.6 no shoes Taller than Derozan who measured 6 ft 5.5 no shoes. I think Ross is tall enough to be a SF.

Pretty thin though but what he lacks in weight he makes up in quickness.

[UnderdogRaptors]

Ross has all the tools to become a superstar in this league. He is easily more talented then Derozan. His athleticism is off the charts and his outside stroke is elite.

The question obviously is whether he has the IQ and work ethic to put it altogether.

Only thing that worries me sometimes is that he plays passive at times and doesn't demand the ball enough. He also needs to drive more and not shy away from contact.

I don't like the fact that Casey is limiting his impact in terms of minutes played and not setting up enough plays for him. This might be slowing his development, but may be good in the long-run.

I guess time will tell.

thank you i think he will be a superstar too just so much potential, imagine he was getting more touches

[Chriscross]

He will be a good 6th man but I don't see him having All-Star potential or anything like that. Maybe a couple more years of experience and some size will change my opinion, because he has a lot of tools and is a good ball player.

hmm I'm not really understanding these 6th man comments. One of Ross main strengths is defense. Don't you want his defense in the starting lineup?

I think his main weakness right now is being able to create his own shot, well isn't that what you want from your 6th man?

[dballislife]

people saying ross has SUPERSTAR potential is crazy, hes in his 2nd year but hes a old 2nd year player...a player is usually who he is around 25ish, like u can improve after 25 but ur game is still pretty much defined....so ross got 2 years to show us what he really is...hes not going from a great role player as of right now to a top 5ish wing in nba imo, hes obviously got his main skills which we all know what they are but he does have a lot of skills to improve on, like A LOT

[6ixSideSniper]

Ross has all the tools to become a superstar in this league. He is easily more talented then Derozan. His athleticism is off the charts and his outside stroke is elite.

The question obviously is whether he has the IQ and work ethic to put it altogether.

Only thing that worries me sometimes is that he plays passive at times and doesn't demand the ball enough. He also needs to drive more and not shy away from contact.

I don't like the fact that Casey is limiting his impact in terms of minutes played and not setting up enough plays for him. This might be slowing his development, but may be good in the long-run.

I guess time will tell.

And there's the problem with the ridiculously exaggerated posts about Ross being a future superstar; indeed I have questions about whether he'll ever be a borderline All-star, but what the heck.

The above points, good ones at that, could have been cut and pasted from a quick assessment of Gerald Green about 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. Athleticism off the charts, dunk contest champ, good shooting stroke, the physical ability to be a good defender (as in, why not, he's got hops and length and quickness, etc.). He was getting limited minutes throughout his career, though part of which may have been a reputation as not being the sharpest tool in the toolbox. He got drafted really young, out of high school, which was clearly a big mistake. But now he seems to be turning it around.

To be honest, I would not be unhappy if Ross turned into today's version of Gerald Green, who is producing about 20 pts per 36 mpg and shooting 39% from 3, 85% from the line and a .580 TS%. Plus, as so many people are saying, Ross is going to become a very good defender (we can only hope), so there should be no reason he isn't playing 36 mpg. So, for those who scoff at the 2014 Gerald Green comparisons (as if it was an insult), are you seriously saying you expect MORE than 20 ppg on good 3pt and FT shooting?

Ross can create better then Gerald Green can. Don't get me wrong, Green as of today is a solid NBA player, but i think Ross has a higher ceiling then that.

[BangerBrotha]

Ross has all the tools to become a superstar in this league. He is easily more talented then Derozan. His athleticism is off the charts and his outside stroke is elite.

The question obviously is whether he has the IQ and work ethic to put it altogether.

Only thing that worries me sometimes is that he plays passive at times and doesn't demand the ball enough. He also needs to drive more and not shy away from contact.

I don't like the fact that Casey is limiting his impact in terms of minutes played and not setting up enough plays for him. This might be slowing his development, but may be good in the long-run.

I guess time will tell.

And there's the problem with the ridiculously exaggerated posts about Ross being a future superstar; indeed I have questions about whether he'll ever be a borderline All-star, but what the heck.

The above points, good ones at that, could have been cut and pasted from a quick assessment of Gerald Green about 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. Athleticism off the charts, dunk contest champ, good shooting stroke, the physical ability to be a good defender (as in, why not, he's got hops and length and quickness, etc.). He was getting limited minutes throughout his career, though part of which may have been a reputation as not being the sharpest tool in the toolbox. He got drafted really young, out of high school, which was clearly a big mistake. But now he seems to be turning it around.

To be honest, I would not be unhappy if Ross turned into today's version of Gerald Green, who is producing about 20 pts per 36 mpg and shooting 39% from 3, 85% from the line and a .580 TS%. Plus, as so many people are saying, Ross is going to become a very good defender (we can only hope), so there should be no reason he isn't playing 36 mpg. So, for those who scoff at the 2014 Gerald Green comparisons (as if it was an insult), are you seriously saying you expect MORE than 20 ppg on good 3pt and FT shooting?

Ross can create better then Gerald Green can. Don't get me wrong, Green as of today is a solid NBA player, but i think Ross has a higher ceiling then that.

Ross is also a much better defender than Gerald Green right now.

[hillbilly hare]

Ross has all the tools to become a superstar in this league. He is easily more talented then Derozan. His athleticism is off the charts and his outside stroke is elite.

The question obviously is whether he has the IQ and work ethic to put it altogether.

Only thing that worries me sometimes is that he plays passive at times and doesn't demand the ball enough. He also needs to drive more and not shy away from contact.

I don't like the fact that Casey is limiting his impact in terms of minutes played and not setting up enough plays for him. This might be slowing his development, but may be good in the long-run.

I guess time will tell.

And there's the problem with the ridiculously exaggerated posts about Ross being a future superstar; indeed I have questions about whether he'll ever be a borderline All-star, but what the heck.

The above points, good ones at that, could have been cut and pasted from a quick assessment of Gerald Green about 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. Athleticism off the charts, dunk contest champ, good shooting stroke, the physical ability to be a good defender (as in, why not, he's got hops and length and quickness, etc.). He was getting limited minutes throughout his career, though part of which may have been a reputation as not being the sharpest tool in the toolbox. He got drafted really young, out of high school, which was clearly a big mistake. But now he seems to be turning it around.

To be honest, I would not be unhappy if Ross turned into today's version of Gerald Green, who is producing about 20 pts per 36 mpg and shooting 39% from 3, 85% from the line and a .580 TS%. Plus, as so many people are saying, Ross is going to become a very good defender (we can only hope), so there should be no reason he isn't playing 36 mpg. So, for those who scoff at the 2014 Gerald Green comparisons (as if it was an insult), are you seriously saying you expect MORE than 20 ppg on good 3pt and FT shooting?

Ross can create better then Gerald Green can. Don't get me wrong, Green as of today is a solid NBA player, but i think Ross has a higher ceiling then that.

Yeah, but there's a difference between a "higher ceiling" than a guy scoring around 20 pts per 36 mpg on very good 3pt and FT shooting, and an almost surefire (as per many posters) All-NBA superstar.

I agree that Ross has a higher ceiling than the current Green, but I've seen nothing that indicates a potential superstar or even a potential All-star. The same applies to Ross as it applied to Demar and has applied to 80% of the super athletic wings who've made it to the NBA over the last several decades: "all" they need to do is work hard, develop a consistently good 3pt shot and FT shooting, learn to be good defenders, grow a pair of balls, and learn their roles within the team's offensive and defensive schemes, including passing, driving and dishing off to big men. Obvious? Sure. But it's what we were saying about Demar for 3 or 4 years every off season.

[Indeed]

Draft Express says Ross is 6 ft 7 in shoes 6.6 no shoes Taller than Derozan who measured 6 ft 5.5 no shoes. I think Ross is tall enough to be a SF.

Pretty thin though but what he lacks in weight he makes up in quickness.

And Hayes is 6'8" Center, which means Ross can play C as well?
Ross is a SG, DeRozan is a SF in the size of SG.

[Attonitus]

And there's the problem with the ridiculously exaggerated posts about Ross being a future superstar; indeed I have questions about whether he'll ever be a borderline All-star, but what the heck.

The above points, good ones at that, could have been cut and pasted from a quick assessment of Gerald Green about 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. Athleticism off the charts, dunk contest champ, good shooting stroke, the physical ability to be a good defender (as in, why not, he's got hops and length and quickness, etc.). He was getting limited minutes throughout his career, though part of which may have been a reputation as not being the sharpest tool in the toolbox. He got drafted really young, out of high school, which was clearly a big mistake. But now he seems to be turning it around.

To be honest, I would not be unhappy if Ross turned into today's version of Gerald Green, who is producing about 20 pts per 36 mpg and shooting 39% from 3, 85% from the line and a .580 TS%. Plus, as so many people are saying, Ross is going to become a very good defender (we can only hope), so there should be no reason he isn't playing 36 mpg. So, for those who scoff at the 2014 Gerald Green comparisons (as if it was an insult), are you seriously saying you expect MORE than 20 ppg on good 3pt and FT shooting?

Ross can create better then Gerald Green can. Don't get me wrong, Green as of today is a solid NBA player, but i think Ross has a higher ceiling then that.

Yeah, but there's a difference between a "higher ceiling" than a guy scoring around 20 pts per 36 mpg on very good 3pt and FT shooting, and an almost surefire (as per many posters) All-NBA superstar.

I agree that Ross has a higher ceiling than the current Green, but I've seen nothing that indicates a potential superstar or even a potential All-star. The same applies to Ross as it applied to Demar and has applied to 80% of the super athletic wings who've made it to the NBA over the last several decades: "all" they need to do is work hard, develop a consistently good 3pt shot and FT shooting, learn to be good defenders, grow a pair of balls, and learn their roles within the team's offensive and defensive schemes, including passing, driving and dishing off to big men. Obvious? Sure. But it's what we were saying about Demar for 3 or 4 years every off season.

Ross is a better defender and three point shooter in year two than DeMar will likely ever be and you could probably say the same for confidence. He has also had to earn his minutes were as DeMar was given a guaranteed starter spot from day one.

I am not saying he is some sure fire superstar but I think it's foolish of you to say he doesn't have a legitimate shot at becoming a all-star calibre player.

[hillbilly hare]

As I said, I've seen little up to now to project Ross as an All-star or superstar. He is not young or getting younger. He, like dozens before him, has the physical gifts to get it done, so it's up to him from here on out.

And I don't know about him having to "earn" his minutes, as opposed to Demar. When Gay was traded, who did Ross have to compete with for the SF job? Fields? Salmons? If he couldn't start ahead of those below average journeyman, what would that say about his future superstardom?

[Indeed]

As I said, I've seen little up to now to project Ross as an All-star or superstar. He is not young or getting younger. He, like dozens before him, has the physical gifts to get it done, so it's up to him from here on out.

And I don't know about him having to "earn" his minutes, as opposed to Demar. When Gay was traded, who did Ross have to compete with for the SF job? Fields? Salmons? If he couldn't start ahead of those below average journeyman, what would that say about his future superstardom?

He is not SF, he is SG. DeRozan is playing his position right now, which will slightly limit his opportunity.
It was better since the Wolfs game, where he has more pick and roll opportunities, or one on one opportunities. However, he will be limited on the offense at this point. I believe he can do what Salmons can do with pick and roll, his passing can further improve by learning from Salmons.

[pkiskool]

I made a thread awhile ago about trading Ross and Val for wiggins but with the way things are going I could see a derozan for wiggins deal being possible. I love derozan he is my favourite player but think of having tross and wiggins on the wings. A lot like VC and T-mac, and having Val in the post, a lot like Chris Bosh.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZY6UysYF4[/youtube]

No wonder your still a rookie.
Val and Bosh has NOTHING in common.

[Sina24]

You can put this in your sig, avatar whatever. Terrence ross will be the best SG in the NBA in a few years if he can stay healthy. I haven't seen anyone with his bounce, speed with the ball and going north/south, east/west with his size (he is almost on the same level as russell westbrook in terms of that). Once he puts on some more muscle and learns the game, add that with very good jumper only getting better, he will literally be unstoppable.

im sorry please do not put him in the same sentence as a top 5 point guard in the league only thing he has better than westbrook is his 3 point shot his ball handling skills are no were near Russell and can not go east/west or north/south like westbrook that just a simple joke

[hillbilly hare]

As I said, I've seen little up to now to project Ross as an All-star or superstar. He is not young or getting younger. He, like dozens before him, has the physical gifts to get it done, so it's up to him from here on out.

And I don't know about him having to "earn" his minutes, as opposed to Demar. When Gay was traded, who did Ross have to compete with for the SF job? Fields? Salmons? If he couldn't start ahead of those below average journeyman, what would that say about his future superstardom?

He is not SF, he is SG. DeRozan is playing his position right now, which will slightly limit his opportunity.
It was better since the Wolfs game, where he has more pick and roll opportunities, or one on one opportunities. However, he will be limited on the offense at this point. I believe he can do what Salmons can do with pick and roll, his passing can further improve by learning from Salmons.

Well, he took over for Gay, the starting SF, when Gay was traded.

But in truth we can say that in today's NBA there's a fine and probably unnecessary line between SG and SF. Better to say generic wing. But whatever. The starting spot opened up when Gay was traded, Ross stepped in.

If you're saying Ross is a more natural SG, so be it. With Demar on the team Ross better learn to play in tandem with him, as generic wings, and if Ross is as good defensively as he's alleged to be here, he better learn to lock down on bigger wings, because Demar will not be paid for his D.

Taking all this into account, who realistically thinks Ross has "superstar" potential?

[Indeed]

As I said, I've seen little up to now to project Ross as an All-star or superstar. He is not young or getting younger. He, like dozens before him, has the physical gifts to get it done, so it's up to him from here on out.

And I don't know about him having to "earn" his minutes, as opposed to Demar. When Gay was traded, who did Ross have to compete with for the SF job? Fields? Salmons? If he couldn't start ahead of those below average journeyman, what would that say about his future superstardom?

He is not SF, he is SG. DeRozan is playing his position right now, which will slightly limit his opportunity.
It was better since the Wolfs game, where he has more pick and roll opportunities, or one on one opportunities. However, he will be limited on the offense at this point. I believe he can do what Salmons can do with pick and roll, his passing can further improve by learning from Salmons.

Well, he took over for Gay, the starting SF, when Gay was traded.

But in truth we can say that in today's NBA there's a fine and probably unnecessary line between SG and SF. Better to say generic wing. But whatever. The starting spot opened up when Gay was traded, Ross stepped in.

If you're saying Ross is a more natural SG, so be it. With Demar on the team Ross better learn to play in tandem with him, as generic wings, and if Ross is as good defensively as he's alleged to be here, he better learn to lock down on bigger wings, because Demar will not be paid for his D.

Taking all this into account, who realistically thinks Ross has "superstar" potential?

I think you mistaken 10 years ago. There is a fine and probably unnecessary line between PG and SG (6th man) these days, because many teams run duo PG for the ball handling and passing at the guard positions. Thus, the SF became a defensive position.

Meanwhile, if you want to keep DeRozan, you just have to say it. I disagree that you have to force Ross to guard bigger wings and DeRozan doesn't need to play defense.

[hillbilly hare]

He is not SF, he is SG. DeRozan is playing his position right now, which will slightly limit his opportunity.
It was better since the Wolfs game, where he has more pick and roll opportunities, or one on one opportunities. However, he will be limited on the offense at this point. I believe he can do what Salmons can do with pick and roll, his passing can further improve by learning from Salmons.

Well, he took over for Gay, the starting SF, when Gay was traded.

But in truth we can say that in today's NBA there's a fine and probably unnecessary line between SG and SF. Better to say generic wing. But whatever. The starting spot opened up when Gay was traded, Ross stepped in.

If you're saying Ross is a more natural SG, so be it. With Demar on the team Ross better learn to play in tandem with him, as generic wings, and if Ross is as good defensively as he's alleged to be here, he better learn to lock down on bigger wings, because Demar will not be paid for his D.

Taking all this into account, who realistically thinks Ross has "superstar" potential?

I think you mistaken 10 years ago. There is a fine and probably unnecessary line between PG and SG (6th man) these days, because many teams run duo PG for the ball handling and passing at the guard positions. Thus, the SF became a defensive position.

Meanwhile, if you want to keep DeRozan, you just have to say it. I disagree that you have to force Ross to guard bigger wings and DeRozan doesn't need to play defense.

I'll have to disagree with you re. generic wings and 10 years ago and so on, but that's just me. Guys like Durant and George and Batum and Leonard, and to a different degree guys like Parsons and Gay and Ariza and Wilson Chandler - to say nothing of Lebron Himself - are listed as small forwards, but could slot into a SG/SF position with little problem. And hold their own defensively. How many guys listed as SGs would the above guys not be able to defend? Harden? I don't see much problem there.

As to small forward becoming a "defensive position", I don't get your point at all. Guys like Lebron and Durant and Melo and George, to name four, are producing some decent offense. They also play good to great D (apart from Melo), but that's what superstars do.

I don't understand the part about Demar. Are you saying you'd prefer to trade him and keep Ross? Then you should say so. But as long as Demar and Ross are playing at the same time, and their minutes on court are sure to trend upwards to 30 or more, Ross will have to pick up the defensive slack, because Demar is a below average defender. Saying that does not mean that Demar "doesn't need to play defense", a weird phrase that I obviously never said.

And by the way, that's 2 quotes you attributed to me, without my having said that. Believe me when I say, if I have something to say, I'll say it. Don't need anyone else interpreting my words or, worse, putting words in my mouth.

[djsunyc]

watch the 3rd video here (assist to amir):

http://on.nba.com/1kqq80t

it's a drop off pass from ross to amir. gonna sound a little crazy but he might be our 2nd best pick n roll passer after vasquez.

[team edward]

I made a thread awhile ago about trading Ross and Val for wiggins but with the way things are going I could see a derozan for wiggins deal being possible. I love derozan he is my favourite player but think of having tross and wiggins on the wings. A lot like VC and T-mac, and having Val in the post, a lot like Chris Bosh.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZY6UysYF4[/youtube]

No wonder your still a rookie.
Val and Bosh has NOTHING in common.

Agreed, Val doesn't have the face up game or athleticism, even compared to Bosh's first few years. To be fair though, Jonas himself compared his game to Chris Bosh on his draft night.

Jonas' game is closer to Rasho's then Bosh's.

As for Ross, all I know is that he's not as good as Drummond, and that's all he'll ever mean to me.

[JWiLL02]

As I said, I've seen little up to now to project Ross as an All-star or superstar. He is not young or getting younger. He, like dozens before him, has the physical gifts to get it done, so it's up to him from here on out.

And I don't know about him having to "earn" his minutes, as opposed to Demar. When Gay was traded, who did Ross have to compete with for the SF job? Fields? Salmons? If he couldn't start ahead of those below average journeyman, what would that say about his future superstardom?

He just turned 23, he IS young.

What the hell is it with this board and writing off potential on rookies/sophomores who aren't one and done players? It's ridiculous. NBA experience matters.