Doug McDermott

[doordoor123]

I'm convinced he's going to be really good.

[KillMonger]

Beasting on people, would Peja Stojakovic be a good comp for him?

[Mik317]

not to single him out,,,but if gordon hayward can make it (and there's plenty more like him), mcderm will make it in spades. so everyone can froth over these bouncing athletes, but mcD can shoot and he's 6'8", who DOESN'T want that package = kiki V

Hayward is a pretty damn good athlete tho.......one also could argue he hasn't actually made it yet.

[DashGlobal]

Beasting on people, would Peja Stojakovic be a good comp for him?

More versatile than Peja imo. ie Has a better mid range and post up game. Peja was primarily a spot up shooter.

A poor man's Dirk is the best I got.

[Bernman]

Beasting on people, would Peja Stojakovic be a good comp for him?

Ooh, that's an interesting one. I can see it as a realistic best case.

Most realistic for level is like Tobias Harris. I know Tobias isn't that good of a shooter, but I see a lot of similarities, in their post-game, rebounding, body-type, defense, intensity, etc. McDermott is a considerably better shooter, Tobias considerably better athlete in the leaping department (lateral quickness they aren't that much different). So maybe it averages out. They are more similar than different, IMO.

Realistic worst is like Jason Kapono. We pretty much know he can snipe on an NBA level. He's got no range limitations, and a quick release. He is a decent rebounder, and scores in other ways besides shooting at the college level (post, cuts, occasional drive, etc.), but it might not translate given athleticism limitations.

[jmnvcavs]

Beasting on people, would Peja Stojakovic be a good comp for him?

More versatile than Peja imo. ie Has a better mid range and post up game. Peja was primarily a spot up shooter.

A poor man's Dirk is the best I got.

What?

[KillMonger]

Beasting on people, would Peja Stojakovic be a good comp for him?

More versatile than Peja imo. ie Has a better mid range and post up game. Peja was primarily a spot up shooter.

A poor man's Dirk is the best I got.

Peja in his prime was more than that, iirc one season he averaged like 25 a game. Peja is taller but the similarities to me is the shooting obviously but more so the constant movement that made Peja hard to guard. Mcdermott has a better post game i believe though, Mcdermott is an interesting prospect for sure and i will be watching to see what team he ends up with.

[shangrila]

His numbers are eerily similar to Luke Babbitt's in college, and he's even projected to get drafted in the same range (Babbitt was 16th IIRC, while McDermott is a late lottery pick so far).

Honestly, I don't think he'll translate. He doesn't look athletic at all and there's a certain point where all the skill in the world can't overcome that fact. I could see him maybe becoming a small ball stretch 4 in a few years once he's put muscle on, like Babbitt kind of has, but I just don't think he'll be as good as a bunch of guys that will inevitably be drafted after him.

[DashGlobal]

I should have prefaced, my only memory of peja was from his last few years.

I think mcderm's is most like a poor mans dirk with a post game.

[No-Man]

I should have prefaced, my only memory of peja was from his last few years.

I think mcderm's is most like a poor mans dirk with a post game.

dirk post game is fantastic

[greenandgold]

His numbers are eerily similar to Luke Babbitt's in college, and he's even projected to get drafted in the same range (Babbitt was 16th IIRC, while McDermott is a late lottery pick so far).

Honestly, I don't think he'll translate. He doesn't look athletic at all and there's a certain point where all the skill in the world can't overcome that fact. I could see him maybe becoming a small ball stretch 4 in a few years once he's put muscle on, like Babbitt kind of has, but I just don't think he'll be as good as a bunch of guys that will inevitably be drafted after him.

Babbitt killed it in college. Better rebounding, assists, steals and blocks numbers than McDermott, and yet he's still barely hanging on in the NBA.

Babbitt with better height, wingspan and athleticism than McDermott, too.

[dballislife]

i dont see anything more than a better korver with less shooting

[Tave]

His numbers are eerily similar to Luke Babbitt's in college, and he's even projected to get drafted in the same range (Babbitt was 16th IIRC, while McDermott is a late lottery pick so far).

Honestly, I don't think he'll translate. He doesn't look athletic at all and there's a certain point where all the skill in the world can't overcome that fact. I could see him maybe becoming a small ball stretch 4 in a few years once he's put muscle on, like Babbitt kind of has, but I just don't think he'll be as good as a bunch of guys that will inevitably be drafted after him.

Their numbers aren't really that similar. Dougie Buckets is scoring significantly more points on better efficiency in a much tougher conference.

[JrueHK]

i dont see anything more than a better korver with less shooting

Seriously he's nothing like Korver.

Doug is more like Love than he is like to Korver.

[DashGlobal]

I should have prefaced, my only memory of peja was from his last few years.

I think mcderm's is most like a poor mans dirk with a post game.

dirk post game is fantastic

unless you are talking about a back to player fade away i dont see dirk doing much posting up.

[Talent Chaser]

i dont see anything more than a better korver with less shooting

Seriously he's nothing like Korver.

Doug is more like Love than he is like to Korver.

He can't hold a candle to Love's athleticism

[DashGlobal]

i dont see anything more than a better korver with less shooting

Seriously he's nothing like Korver.

Doug is more like Love than he is like to Korver.

He can't hold a candle to Love's athleticism

when did love become athletic?

[ManualRam]

His numbers are eerily similar to Luke Babbitt's in college, and he's even projected to get drafted in the same range (Babbitt was 16th IIRC, while McDermott is a late lottery pick so far).

Honestly, I don't think he'll translate. He doesn't look athletic at all and there's a certain point where all the skill in the world can't overcome that fact. I could see him maybe becoming a small ball stretch 4 in a few years once he's put muscle on, like Babbitt kind of has, but I just don't think he'll be as good as a bunch of guys that will inevitably be drafted after him.

Babbitt killed it in college. Better rebounding, assists, steals and blocks numbers than McDermott, and yet he's still barely hanging on in the NBA.

Babbitt with better height, wingspan and athleticism than McDermott, too.

babbitt had more in common with adam morrison offensively than he has with mcdermott. like morrison, babbitt was very reliant on his own shot-creating ability at the college level. that ability did not translate to the nba. the good thing about mcdermott is that, although he's a prolific scorer at the college level, he already has the offensive game of an nba role player. he's a much better spot up shooter than either of the aforementioned and he does the overwhelming majority of his work off the ball, which makes him better equipped to both play with stars and fit in systems.

[reignfire]

Seriously he's nothing like Korver.

Doug is more like Love than he is like to Korver.

He can't hold a candle to Love's athleticism

when did love become athletic?

Love has amazing strength. There's no one in the NBA that can move Love out of position.

If Doug was 6'10'' or 6'11'', he could be a starter along side a defensive center. But if he was that, he would have left college after one or two years.

I just can't see anything more than a backup big off the bench for scoring. That's actually his ceiling to me.

[Bernman]

Their numbers aren't really that similar. Dougie Buckets is scoring significantly more points on better efficiency in a much tougher conference.

Yep, numbers are only as useful as the person's interpretation of them, and theirs were very poor.

What you said about their differences is VERY significant. They should go compare their numbers against major competition and then reevaluate. It's not even close. Babbitt struggled when he had to step up in competition, whereas McDermott has performed even better if anything. He's proving it almost every game against borderline major competition on average. Babbitt played in the WAC for God's sake, and Nevada's OOC schedule was inferior too. He was a great mid major player. McDermott is an even greater major player.

I'll add in terms of their most projectible skill supposedly, 3-point shooting, the difference was pretty stark even without factoring in competition. Babbitt averaged 42% on 3 attempts per game. McDermott has shot 45% on 6 attempts per game. Back when he was a 3-4 attempt guy, he shot 49%. And this is while playing 4-5 less minutes per game to distribute those 3-point shots in. So he's been far less selective than Babbitt, yet still has shot a significantly higher percentage. It's the difference between a guy who is minor factor in terms of his 3-point shooting, and a guy who is a major factor.

Basically some people are just seeing another white American in the first round, assuming he'll bust because many others with that trait have in the past, then trying to rationalize that those players compare in a more significant way rather than that trivial one.