Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[Dat2U]

If we let Ariza walk we are idiots
Keep Ariza
Keep Gooden
Keep Gortat

Try to trade Nene/Webster for whatever we can.

Ernie is the fleece master. He traded Kwame for Caron. I know he can trade Nene for someone useful and younger.

He traded Kwame for Caron in 2005. It's time to bring forth other examples.

Webster probably can be traded. Nene would likely be very hard to trade unless Beal was in the deal. Most likely, neither is being dealt because Ernie likely overvalues what they bring to the team.

Ernie typically overvalues his own assets until he totally devalues them and is forced to give them away or dump them with a pricey incentive (a draft pick). This will likely continue to happen.

[AFM]

If we let Ariza walk we are idiots
Keep Ariza
Keep Gooden
Keep Gortat

Try to trade Nene/Webster for whatever we can.

Ernie is the fleece master. He traded Kwame for Caron. I know he can trade Nene for someone useful and younger.

He traded Kwame for Caron in 2005. It's time to bring forth other examples.

Webster probably can be traded. Nene would likely be very hard to trade unless Beal was in the deal. Most likely, neither is being dealt because Ernie likely overvalues what they bring to the team.

Ernie typically overvalues his own assets until he totally devalues them and is forced to give them away or dump them with a pricey incentive (a draft pick). This will likely continue to happen.

Yeah but I think Ernie will be forced to make a move at the SF position. Either Webster or Ariza goes, or Porter will never get enough PT to develop.

[Upper Decker]

I certainly wouldn't press to move Beal, but if Washington was able to parlay a package including Beal into Love, I wouldn't be mad.

Beal has some flaws that are pretty apparent, but he's also incredible young with plenty of room to grow.

Short of acquiring a prime super star(and it takes adding value in those deals), I don't see a reason to move Beal. If you need young talent to make a smaller deal, I think Porter would be much better to trade.

I know he's incredibly young, but I think Beals league wide perception is way higher than his actual production / potential. He's a good shooter who has below average handles, average athleticism, struggles creating his own shot, doesn't get to the free throw line often, and loves 20 foot jumpers. I think he can correct his shot selection, but I don't see him becoming a great dribble drive guy who can consistently take the ball down the stretch and make things happen ala Gilbert, Kobe, Wade, Harden. That's a good player to have, but if the league values him for more than what he really is take advantage of that before his value declines.

[nate33]

This may be true, but I also think Beal is a prime candidate for a third year explosion like what Harden did. That would be a catastrophic setback if Beal blows up after he is traded this summer.

The bottom line is that the potential of Beal is still extremely high. Any trade would have to give us a superstar type of talent in return. We have no idea if such an offer is on the table.

It's really kind of pointless to discuss the wisdom of a Beal trade unless we know what the return is.

[dobrojim]

just for argument's sake, how do Beal's and Gilbert's numbers compare
age for age?

It was oh so long ago but I remember Nivek (before realgm) predicting that
Gil could become really good based on his production in his 1st 2 years, when
he was about the age Beal is now.

[stevemcqueen1]

I certainly wouldn't press to move Beal, but if Washington was able to parlay a package including Beal into Love, I wouldn't be mad.

Beal has some flaws that are pretty apparent, but he's also incredible young with plenty of room to grow.

Short of acquiring a prime super star(and it takes adding value in those deals), I don't see a reason to move Beal. If you need young talent to make a smaller deal, I think Porter would be much better to trade.

I know he's incredibly young, but I think Beals league wide perception is way higher than his actual production / potential. He's a good shooter who has below average handles, average athleticism, struggles creating his own shot, doesn't get to the free throw line often, and loves 20 foot jumpers. I think he can correct his shot selection, but I don't see him becoming a great dribble drive guy who can consistently take the ball down the stretch and make things happen ala Gilbert, Kobe, Wade, Harden. That's a good player to have, but if the league values him for more than what he really is take advantage of that before his value declines.

Beal is not an average athlete. He's a very strong and explosive athlete that's already a pretty powerful finisher. He's capable of becoming a devastating defensive player in time.

Beal isn't the ball handler those other guards were, but he's a better and more pure shooter than all of them. He's capable of scoring from every point on the floor and he can score on the ball or off the ball. He's going to keep getting better and more efficient, eventually he'll be a mid 20's per game scorer and potent second option.

He's not an incomplete player. He has the potential to be the best all around SG in the league in a few years.

Trading Beal would be foolish. He's a future perennial AS that's three years younger than Wall. You keep those two together for the entirety of their careers and you will have a playoff team no matter who else you put around them.

[Ruzious]

If Henson is on the outs I'm curious to know what his value is. Assuming we're able to re-sign Ariza, could a package centered around Webster get it done?

Second question; if we aren't able to re-sign Ariza, what type of sign & trade value does he have?we can't let him leave and have nothing to show for it.

I have no idea what the problem is with Henson in Milwaukee. I thought he was management's favorite young player, and now he has to compete with Jeff Adrien for minutes. His PER was around 20 mid-way through the season; now it's under 18 - less than his rookie year. Part of the problem has been figuring out if he's a C or a PF. I think he's obviously a PF, but they prefer other guys at PF and have more of a need at 5 with Sanders being out and/or ineffective all season long. And there's no reason he can't get more range on his jump shot - he already had good form on his mid-range jumper at UNC. He also has a good longggg first step driving to the basket, but he rarely uses it. He's still got 2 years on his rookie deal, so he'd be a great asset to acquire.

Btw, I'm interested to see how DJ Stephens does for the Bucks if it's true they've signed him to a 10 day. He's a unique player with no jump shot but incredible leaping ability.

[stevemcqueen1]

If the Bucks are dumb enough to deal him, I would love to take Henson off their hands. He's a legit talent. Gifted rebounder. Massive defensive potential. Versatile offensive skill set.

He's just rail thin. If we got him, he could actually be everything the FO thought they were getting in Vesely. Only he won't be afraid to shoot FTs.

[Illmatic21]

I certainly wouldn't press to move Beal, but if Washington was able to parlay a package including Beal into Love, I wouldn't be mad.

Beal has some flaws that are pretty apparent, but he's also incredible young with plenty of room to grow.

Short of acquiring a prime super star(and it takes adding value in those deals), I don't see a reason to move Beal. If you need young talent to make a smaller deal, I think Porter would be much better to trade.

I know he's incredibly young, but I think Beals league wide perception is way higher than his actual production / potential. He's a good shooter who has below average handles, average athleticism, struggles creating his own shot, doesn't get to the free throw line often, and loves 20 foot jumpers. I think he can correct his shot selection, but I don't see him becoming a great dribble drive guy who can consistently take the ball down the stretch and make things happen ala Gilbert, Kobe, Wade, Harden. That's a good player to have, but if the league values him for more than what he really is take advantage of that before his value declines.

You named some of the best scoring SGs in league history, who said Beal would be that good? Kobe and Wade are top 5 all time at their position.. if people thought Beal was at that level, he'd be getting a lot more hype than he is.

Beal is touted as a talented young 2-guard with future All-Star potential. Is that not true? His perception is appropriate for a 20-year old guard with his skillset and production. Based on what he's done at every level of his playing career, he projects to be a very good NBA player.

Beal clearly has above average athleticism, and those other flaws you mentioned can be fixed with hard work and experience. Some are a product of his coaching/team situation, which hopefully will change for the better soon.

[mhd]

Posted my idea in the wrong thread:


Nene+Porter for Brook Lopez?

[Dark Faze]

Gotta wonder if there's any ability for us to trade into this draft. When you get outside of the top 5 of Wiggins, Jabari, Embiid, Smart, and Exum there's not a lot there that teams would really want. Sacramento can't be all that high on a guy like Randle, the Lakers can't be too excited about Vonleh, the Cavs aren't exactly livid about the prospects of Hood, Gary Harris, Ennis...

In particular I'm looking at both Randle and Vonleh...you have to think something like Porter + an 2015 pick might get it done to grab the 6th or 7th overall in this draft.

How would you guys feel about that?

[nate33]

Posted my idea in the wrong thread:


Nene+Porter for Brook Lopez?

I have no interest in Brook Lopez. You just can't count on him to be around in the playoffs.

[mhd]

Posted my idea in the wrong thread:


Nene+Porter for Brook Lopez?

I have no interest in Brook Lopez. You just can't count on him to be around in the playoffs.

Yeah, Lopez is probably too big a risk for us.

What about this 3-way deal:

Wiz trade Nene+Porter for Marcus Thornton+Henson
Nets trade Thornton+Lopez for Nene+Mayo+Porter
Bucks trade Mayo+Henson for Lopez

Bucks gamble on Lopez (they'll never get a FA to sign with them, and limit his PT with Sanders as a defensive anchor). They get rid of Mayo's deal, and will take Parker/Wiggins to be their "star" wing player.

Nets get more established vets in Nene, Mayo, while getting Porter who is a young.

We get Henson, a statistical ace, as a young PF, while clearing some longterm cap to possibly make a run at Love if we play our cards right in FA.

[LyricalRico]

I'd much rather resign Gortat than trade for Lopez. Really not interested in him at all.

Henson is an interesting name, although I wonder what it would take to get him. Porter and change would be nice.

[stevemcqueen1]

Lopez is really good but flawed. Foot issues and bad rebounding. Otherwise he'd be the best center in the league.

[Ruzious]

And even when he was healthy and putting up huge numbers, Brooklyn was losing in ugly fashion. They've played better without him. On a very slow team, he was probably the slowest player.

[stevemcqueen1]

Something is wrong with a losing team that has a C and PG that are as good as Williams and Lopez. Something wrong with the competitive character of it. They were losers with loser leadership.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If Henson is on the outs I'm curious to know what his value is. Assuming we're able to re-sign Ariza, could a package centered around Webster get it done?

Second question; if we aren't able to re-sign Ariza, what type of sign & trade value does he have?we can't let him leave and have nothing to show for it.

I have no idea what the problem is with Henson in Milwaukee. I thought he was management's favorite young player, and now he has to compete with Jeff Adrien for minutes. His PER was around 20 mid-way through the season; now it's under 18 - less than his rookie year. Part of the problem has been figuring out if he's a C or a PF. I think he's obviously a PF, but they prefer other guys at PF and have more of a need at 5 with Sanders being out and/or ineffective all season long. And there's no reason he can't get more range on his jump shot - he already had good form on his mid-range jumper at UNC. He also has a good longggg first step driving to the basket, but he rarely uses it. He's still got 2 years on his rookie deal, so he'd be a great asset to acquire.

Btw, I'm interested to see how DJ Stephens does for the Bucks if it's true they've signed him to a 10 day. He's a unique player with no jump shot but incredible leaping ability.

Imagine the Wizards next season with both Henson and DJ Stephens.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gotta wonder if there's any ability for us to trade into this draft. When you get outside of the top 5 of Wiggins, Jabari, Embiid, Smart, and Exum there's not a lot there that teams would really want. Sacramento can't be all that high on a guy like Randle, the Lakers can't be too excited about Vonleh, the Cavs aren't exactly livid about the prospects of Hood, Gary Harris, Ennis...

In particular I'm looking at both Randle and Vonleh...you have to think something like Porter + an 2015 pick might get it done to grab the 6th or 7th overall in this draft.

How would you guys feel about that?

If Washington could simply trade the rights to Otto Porter for Doug McDermott, I would be thrilled.

Maybe I am wrong, but at least I am excited about McDermott as a shooter.

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[barelyawake]

Gotta wonder if there's any ability for us to trade into this draft. When you get outside of the top 5 of Wiggins, Jabari, Embiid, Smart, and Exum there's not a lot there that teams would really want. Sacramento can't be all that high on a guy like Randle, the Lakers can't be too excited about Vonleh, the Cavs aren't exactly livid about the prospects of Hood, Gary Harris, Ennis...

In particular I'm looking at both Randle and Vonleh...you have to think something like Porter + an 2015 pick might get it done to grab the 6th or 7th overall in this draft.

How would you guys feel about that?

If Washington could simply trade the rights to Otto Porter for Doug McDermott, I would be thrilled.

Maybe I am wrong, but at least I am excited about McDermott as a shooter.

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The 2015 draft is filled with big men. This draft? Not so much. I would much rather trade for a vet and a 2015 pick or an underperforming younger player than a 2014 pick (especially considering how valuable 2014 picks are perceived to be). I think Nate had it right with BOYD trades. If we can't get a star big now (with cap and future picks), we should get past stars on contracts that end in 2016.

I'm really focused on Shumpert (as a back-up) and Chandler, as the rim protector to make us a top defensive team. I understand both are dipping. Thus, why we can probably get them. Rumors have both gone this summer. Chandler would not cement our future. But, he may carry us past the second round with a healthy Nene. And that would attract the real free agents in 2016.

Wall/Miller
Beal/Shump
Ariza/Otto
Nene/Booker
Chandler/vet center

Is a top defensive team. Haven't figured the numbers, or trade scenarios yet, to see what is possible.