2014 Free Agency Thread

[MasterIchiro]

If the Pistons pick carries over, free agency becomes the key way to improve as the Hornets. I'm very intrigued by this offseason and I'm still holding out hope for Lance Stephenson.

[BeesWax]

37-64 in 3 games
99-238 in the rest.

Averaging 21 points in the D League isn't impressive.

Seth Curry is averaging close to 20 and can't crack an NBA roster

Seth Curry is not near the athlete Hairston is and he is shooting worse percentages across the board. Hairston would be a better option for in the Henderson. That is not homer crap it is true. He at least spaces the floor as well as being able to drive and shooting better percentages than Henderson. You should go watch more than 15 games worth and see what he can do. Is he perfect? No but he is better than you give him credit for by a long shot. He would be the best player on the board at the Portland pick if he fell that far which is doubtful.

Remind me not to read what you post anymore. If you legitimately believe he's better than Hendo

Other than 3 games, he shoots the same from 3 as Gerald Henderson and a lower percentage overall. He plays against less talent in a league designed to showcase an offensive game

Since you want to use the numbers and are wrong about them I did the research you would not do. HE has shot over 40% from three in 9 out of 20 games in a glorified AAU game. This is hard since in game like this you never know when you will get the ball. Three other times he was about the 33% mark so that makes 60% of the games where he shot better than Henderson.

You don't have to read my posts but if you are going to bring numbers into be sure they are the right ones.

Less talent I will give you with his getting to the line more often because of stupid fouls. But shooting percentages are what they are. Henderson gets wide open shots and passes them up or misses them. The quality of other defenders has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: Also I am not saying Hairston is a better player right now than Henderson but a better fit for our team between Kemba and MKG. His ability to space the floor and play solid defense would fit well and Henderson provides defense and slashing at the back-up three while Neal spaces for that unit at the 2. It is more fit than better overall player.

[gehenherzog]

Seth Curry is not near the athlete Hairston is and he is shooting worse percentages across the board. Hairston would be a better option for in the Henderson. That is not homer crap it is true. He at least spaces the floor as well as being able to drive and shooting better percentages than Henderson. You should go watch more than 15 games worth and see what he can do. Is he perfect? No but he is better than you give him credit for by a long shot. He would be the best player on the board at the Portland pick if he fell that far which is doubtful.

Remind me not to read what you post anymore. If you legitimately believe he's better than Hendo

Other than 3 games, he shoots the same from 3 as Gerald Henderson and a lower percentage overall. He plays against less talent in a league designed to showcase an offensive game

Since you want to use the numbers and are wrong about them I did the research you would not do. HE has shot over 40% from three in 9 out of 20 games in a glorified AAU game. This is hard since in game like this you never know when you will get the ball. Three other times he was about the 33% mark so that makes 60% of the games where he shot better than Henderson.

You don't have to read my posts but if you are going to bring numbers into be sure they are the right ones.

Less talent I will give you with his getting to the line more often because of stupid fouls. But shooting percentages are what they are. Henderson gets wide open shots and passes them up or misses them. The quality of other defenders has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: Also I am not saying Hairston is a better player right now than Henderson but a better fit for our team between Kemba and MKG. His ability to space the floor and play solid defense would fit well and Henderson provides defense and slashing at the back-up three while Neal spaces for that unit at the 2. It is more fit than better overall player.

My numbers were wrong? I hit them directly from the nba Dleague site.

He's playing in a league with no defense. A majority of Henderson's shots are fadeaway jumpers with a hand in his face.

The ONLY people that want Hairston on this Bobcats team are unc fans. It's not practical to draft him anywhere but the second round. But unc fans are known to be smarter than the "experts" so I'll trust what you say over what the people that do it for a living. As I've said already, other than 3 games, Hairston has been mediocre in a league that doesn't play defense. No thank you

[KembaWalker]

I like where Cliffords new system is heading. Anyone who can shoot 40% on 3s and isn't a sieve on defense is good with me.

[MKGsMotor]

Remind me not to read what you post anymore. If you legitimately believe he's better than Hendo

Other than 3 games, he shoots the same from 3 as Gerald Henderson and a lower percentage overall. He plays against less talent in a league designed to showcase an offensive game

Since you want to use the numbers and are wrong about them I did the research you would not do. HE has shot over 40% from three in 9 out of 20 games in a glorified AAU game. This is hard since in game like this you never know when you will get the ball. Three other times he was about the 33% mark so that makes 60% of the games where he shot better than Henderson.

You don't have to read my posts but if you are going to bring numbers into be sure they are the right ones.

Less talent I will give you with his getting to the line more often because of stupid fouls. But shooting percentages are what they are. Henderson gets wide open shots and passes them up or misses them. The quality of other defenders has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: Also I am not saying Hairston is a better player right now than Henderson but a better fit for our team between Kemba and MKG. His ability to space the floor and play solid defense would fit well and Henderson provides defense and slashing at the back-up three while Neal spaces for that unit at the 2. It is more fit than better overall player.

My numbers were wrong? I hit them directly from the nba Dleague site.

He's playing in a league with no defense. A majority of Henderson's shots are fadeaway jumpers with a hand in his face.

The ONLY people that want Hairston on this Bobcats team are unc fans. It's not practical to draft him anywhere but the second round. But unc fans are known to be smarter than the "experts" so I'll trust what you say over what the people that do it for a living. As I've said already, other than 3 games, Hairston has been mediocre in a league that doesn't play defense. No thank you

You're just as biased as UNC fans. Either way in North Carolina, you either love or hate UNC and both sides have vested interests in UNC players. UNC haters discount players just as much if not more than fans hype them up. Analysts generally have Hairston going mid-late first round, which is probably his talent level.

[gehenherzog]

Since you want to use the numbers and are wrong about them I did the research you would not do. HE has shot over 40% from three in 9 out of 20 games in a glorified AAU game. This is hard since in game like this you never know when you will get the ball. Three other times he was about the 33% mark so that makes 60% of the games where he shot better than Henderson.

You don't have to read my posts but if you are going to bring numbers into be sure they are the right ones.

Less talent I will give you with his getting to the line more often because of stupid fouls. But shooting percentages are what they are. Henderson gets wide open shots and passes them up or misses them. The quality of other defenders has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: Also I am not saying Hairston is a better player right now than Henderson but a better fit for our team between Kemba and MKG. His ability to space the floor and play solid defense would fit well and Henderson provides defense and slashing at the back-up three while Neal spaces for that unit at the 2. It is more fit than better overall player.

My numbers were wrong? I hit them directly from the nba Dleague site.

He's playing in a league with no defense. A majority of Henderson's shots are fadeaway jumpers with a hand in his face.

The ONLY people that want Hairston on this Bobcats team are unc fans. It's not practical to draft him anywhere but the second round. But unc fans are known to be smarter than the "experts" so I'll trust what you say over what the people that do it for a living. As I've said already, other than 3 games, Hairston has been mediocre in a league that doesn't play defense. No thank you

You're just as biased as UNC fans. Either way in North Carolina, you either love or hate UNC and both sides have vested interests in UNC players. UNC haters discount players just as much if not more than fans hype them up. Analysts generally have Hairston going mid-late first round, which is probably his talent level.

Absolutely not. I don't pimp up players based on 3 games. Me agreeing with experts =/= me being bias. It is = to me being practical.

Maybe he'll prove people wrong but the Bobcats would be crucified if they took him with Detroit's pick. Like the above suggested.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Saying that "only" UNC fans like Hairston is pretty hyperbolic.

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[BeesWax]

Remind me not to read what you post anymore. If you legitimately believe he's better than Hendo

Other than 3 games, he shoots the same from 3 as Gerald Henderson and a lower percentage overall. He plays against less talent in a league designed to showcase an offensive game

Since you want to use the numbers and are wrong about them I did the research you would not do. HE has shot over 40% from three in 9 out of 20 games in a glorified AAU game. This is hard since in game like this you never know when you will get the ball. Three other times he was about the 33% mark so that makes 60% of the games where he shot better than Henderson.

You don't have to read my posts but if you are going to bring numbers into be sure they are the right ones.

Less talent I will give you with his getting to the line more often because of stupid fouls. But shooting percentages are what they are. Henderson gets wide open shots and passes them up or misses them. The quality of other defenders has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: Also I am not saying Hairston is a better player right now than Henderson but a better fit for our team between Kemba and MKG. His ability to space the floor and play solid defense would fit well and Henderson provides defense and slashing at the back-up three while Neal spaces for that unit at the 2. It is more fit than better overall player.

My numbers were wrong? I hit them directly from the nba Dleague site.

He's playing in a league with no defense. A majority of Henderson's shots are fadeaway jumpers with a hand in his face.

The ONLY people that want Hairston on this Bobcats team are unc fans. It's not practical to draft him anywhere but the second round. But unc fans are known to be smarter than the "experts" so I'll trust what you say over what the people that do it for a living. As I've said already, other than 3 games, Hairston has been mediocre in a league that doesn't play defense. No thank you

You said he did it all in 3 games. I showed you were wrong. If you don't like him that is fine but what you said was fundamentally wrong just to cast a bad light. HE has had some rough games and he has had some good games. He is shooting better from 3 than Henderson and that has nothing to do with the fade aways. Henderson does not shoot threes unless he is wide open and even then he won't always take them. We need a guy willing to shoot 3s who can hit them at a decent clip. Hairston fits that bill.

Your numbers may have been right but you presented them in a false way. You said he only had three good shooting games when in reality 60% of the time he is shooting over 33% from three and 45% of the time he is shooting above 40% from 3. Those are the real numbers looked at the correct way.

Also you don't agree with the experts you agree with some of the experts. A number of experts have him in the mid to late teens right now and that is pre-combine. This is like your numbers argument you pick what you like then try to say it is the gospel. There are mixed opinions on him so I just went by the numbers and presented them on a game by game basis. You took out his best games then lumped the solid in with the bad to imply they were all bad. Shady math man shady math.

[gehenherzog]

Since you want to use the numbers and are wrong about them I did the research you would not do. HE has shot over 40% from three in 9 out of 20 games in a glorified AAU game. This is hard since in game like this you never know when you will get the ball. Three other times he was about the 33% mark so that makes 60% of the games where he shot better than Henderson.

You don't have to read my posts but if you are going to bring numbers into be sure they are the right ones.

Less talent I will give you with his getting to the line more often because of stupid fouls. But shooting percentages are what they are. Henderson gets wide open shots and passes them up or misses them. The quality of other defenders has nothing to do with that.

EDIT: Also I am not saying Hairston is a better player right now than Henderson but a better fit for our team between Kemba and MKG. His ability to space the floor and play solid defense would fit well and Henderson provides defense and slashing at the back-up three while Neal spaces for that unit at the 2. It is more fit than better overall player.

My numbers were wrong? I hit them directly from the nba Dleague site.

He's playing in a league with no defense. A majority of Henderson's shots are fadeaway jumpers with a hand in his face.

The ONLY people that want Hairston on this Bobcats team are unc fans. It's not practical to draft him anywhere but the second round. But unc fans are known to be smarter than the "experts" so I'll trust what you say over what the people that do it for a living. As I've said already, other than 3 games, Hairston has been mediocre in a league that doesn't play defense. No thank you

You said he did it all in 3 games. I showed you were wrong. If you don't like him that is fine but what you said was fundamentally wrong just to cast a bad light. HE has had some rough games and he has had some good games. He is shooting better from 3 than Henderson and that has nothing to do with the fade aways. Henderson does not shoot threes unless he is wide open and even then he won't always take them. We need a guy willing to shoot 3s who can hit them at a decent clip. Hairston fits that bill.

Your numbers may have been right but you presented them in a false way. You said he only had three good shooting games when in reality 60% of the time he is shooting over 33% from three and 45% of the time he is shooting above 40% from 3. Those are the real numbers looked at the correct way.

Also you don't agree with the experts you agree with some of the experts. A number of experts have him in the mid to late teens right now and that is pre-combine. This is like your numbers argument you pick what you like then try to say it is the gospel. There are mixed opinions on him so I just went by the numbers and presented them on a game by game basis. You took out his best games then lumped the solid in with the bad to imply they were all bad. Shady math man shady math.

No, I said he's had 3 good games. Then pointed out that other than his 3 explosive games, his shooting has been mediocre at best. Those are facts, not me "putting out wrong numbers." It proves he's inconsistent. I'm not saying I dint like him. He's just not first round talent. 3 great games that significantly alter his overall stats.

[BeesWax]

My numbers were wrong? I hit them directly from the nba Dleague site.

He's playing in a league with no defense. A majority of Henderson's shots are fadeaway jumpers with a hand in his face.

The ONLY people that want Hairston on this Bobcats team are unc fans. It's not practical to draft him anywhere but the second round. But unc fans are known to be smarter than the "experts" so I'll trust what you say over what the people that do it for a living. As I've said already, other than 3 games, Hairston has been mediocre in a league that doesn't play defense. No thank you

You said he did it all in 3 games. I showed you were wrong. If you don't like him that is fine but what you said was fundamentally wrong just to cast a bad light. HE has had some rough games and he has had some good games. He is shooting better from 3 than Henderson and that has nothing to do with the fade aways. Henderson does not shoot threes unless he is wide open and even then he won't always take them. We need a guy willing to shoot 3s who can hit them at a decent clip. Hairston fits that bill.

Your numbers may have been right but you presented them in a false way. You said he only had three good shooting games when in reality 60% of the time he is shooting over 33% from three and 45% of the time he is shooting above 40% from 3. Those are the real numbers looked at the correct way.

Also you don't agree with the experts you agree with some of the experts. A number of experts have him in the mid to late teens right now and that is pre-combine. This is like your numbers argument you pick what you like then try to say it is the gospel. There are mixed opinions on him so I just went by the numbers and presented them on a game by game basis. You took out his best games then lumped the solid in with the bad to imply they were all bad. Shady math man shady math.

No, I said he's had 3 good games. Then pointed out that other than his 3 explosive games, his shooting has been mediocre at best. Those are facts, not me "putting out wrong numbers." It proves he's inconsistent. I'm not saying I dint like him. He's just not first round talent. 3 great games that significantly alter his overall stats.

Ok even though it makes me cringe to use shady math like this I will use your style of math.

I will drop his three lowest games because obviously they are the out-lires and then he has shooting percentages of 45.5/39.3/89.7 for the season. See how this is shady math if you remove one of the extremes it slants your data in whatever direction you want. I feel creepy and like I am dishonoring my degrees by doing this.

If you want to discount the top three then we should most likely remove the bottom three as well even though that math is not much better. In that case you will see numbers of 43.8/35.5/91 which is still very respectable.

Over the course of a season you are never as good as your best and never as bad as your worst. Normally it is somewhere in the middle which seems to be those last number I gave. Even in the last scenerio when you take out his best and worst games he is putting up 21.3 in an unstructured offense with other player who are trying to show off for contracts, like you said.

If you don't like him that is fine but I checked some mocks and he was first round in half second in half and as high as 10 and low as middle second. I think the thing we can draw from this is until the combine and interviews it will be hard to get a ready on where he falls. Talent puts him in the first (nba body and range and good athlete) the question is where will the off court stuff land him.

[yosemiteben]

Hairston huh?

[gehenherzog]

Take his top 3 and bottom 3 out. He's mediocre. Back to the whole DLeague thing. Have you watched a DLeague game? There's more talent in the ACC alone than the DLeague

[BeesWax]

Take his top 3 and bottom 3 out. He's mediocre. Back to the whole DLeague thing. Have you watched a DLeague game? There's more talent in the ACC alone than the DLeague

You mean where he averaged 14.6 points in 23 minutes and shot 39.6% from 3? Henderson never shot that well in college and only outscore Hairston his last season and he was playing about 30 minutes a game that year.

Top three and bottom three out show he is better than Henderson % wise right now and better for our team spacing. Also if you say his players defending him are worse you have to consider that the guys he is playing with are worse so trying to get and offensive flow would be tough. I have watched the game and it amazes me that anyone puts up anything resembling a decent stat line percent wise with such a miserable flow.

[gehenherzog]

Take his top 3 and bottom 3 out. He's mediocre. Back to the whole DLeague thing. Have you watched a DLeague game? There's more talent in the ACC alone than the DLeague

You mean where he averaged 14.6 points in 23 minutes and shot 39.6% from 3? Henderson never shot that well in college and only outscore Hairston his last season and he was playing about 30 minutes a game that year.

Top three and bottom three out show he is better than Henderson % wise right now and better for our team spacing. Also if you say his players defending him are worse you have to consider that the guys he is playing with are worse so trying to get and offensive flow would be tough. I have watched the game and it amazes me that anyone puts up anything resembling a decent stat line percent wise with such a miserable flow.

Now you're just reaching, grasping for something.

Why do you come back to college? Henderson has been out of school for 5 years. You don't have to be a 3 point shooter to provide space. You're also pointing out college 3 point statistics which aren't comparable to the NBA. You go back ti college but then you say he's better than Henderson now...make up your mind

Are you taking Hairston over Warren?

[BeesWax]

Take his top 3 and bottom 3 out. He's mediocre. Back to the whole DLeague thing. Have you watched a DLeague game? There's more talent in the ACC alone than the DLeague

You mean where he averaged 14.6 points in 23 minutes and shot 39.6% from 3? Henderson never shot that well in college and only outscore Hairston his last season and he was playing about 30 minutes a game that year.

Top three and bottom three out show he is better than Henderson % wise right now and better for our team spacing. Also if you say his players defending him are worse you have to consider that the guys he is playing with are worse so trying to get and offensive flow would be tough. I have watched the game and it amazes me that anyone puts up anything resembling a decent stat line percent wise with such a miserable flow.

Now you're just reaching, grasping for something.

Why do you come back to college? Henderson has been out of school for 5 years. You don't have to be a 3 point shooter to provide space. You're also pointing out college 3 point statistics which aren't comparable to the NBA. You go back ti college but then you say he's better than Henderson now...make up your mind

Are you taking Hairston over Warren?

You brought up college saying the ACC is better than the D-league. I said he was better for us then Henderson. Percentages prove me right you are trying to talk out both sides of your mouth. His competition is weak so it does not count but when I bring up his help being weak you question it? So which is it weak D-league or quality because you seem to say both.

You stretch your "facts" to fit your needs and ignore the face of the argument. He was a solid college player last year and will be a good pro next year. I think I take Warren over Hairston but it would not be by much. The numbers Hairston put up after moving into the starting line up last season were great. If he had been eligible to play this season he would have challenged Warren for POY in ACC.

You don't like him for some reason and that is fine but the stats back me up. He is a better floor spacer and has an NBA ready frame right now. I said he may not be the better all round player but he is the better fit for us.

[gehenherzog]

You mean where he averaged 14.6 points in 23 minutes and shot 39.6% from 3? Henderson never shot that well in college and only outscore Hairston his last season and he was playing about 30 minutes a game that year.

Top three and bottom three out show he is better than Henderson % wise right now and better for our team spacing. Also if you say his players defending him are worse you have to consider that the guys he is playing with are worse so trying to get and offensive flow would be tough. I have watched the game and it amazes me that anyone puts up anything resembling a decent stat line percent wise with such a miserable flow.

Now you're just reaching, grasping for something.

Why do you come back to college? Henderson has been out of school for 5 years. You don't have to be a 3 point shooter to provide space. You're also pointing out college 3 point statistics which aren't comparable to the NBA. You go back ti college but then you say he's better than Henderson now...make up your mind

Are you taking Hairston over Warren?

You brought up college saying the ACC is better than the D-league. I said he was better for us then Henderson. Percentages prove me right you are trying to talk out both sides of your mouth. His competition is weak so it does not count but when I bring up his help being weak you question it? So which is it weak D-league or quality because you seem to say both.

You stretch your "facts" to fit your needs and ignore the face of the argument. He was a solid college player last year and will be a good pro next year. I think I take Warren over Hairston but it would not be by much. The numbers Hairston put up after moving into the starting line up last season were great. If he had been eligible to play this season he would have challenged Warren for POY in ACC.

You don't like him for some reason and that is fine but the stats back me up. He is a better floor spacer and has an NBA ready frame right now. I said he may not be the better all round player but he is the better fit for us.

What does the ACC currently having more talent have to do auth Henderson 6 years ago? You have a hard time with current ACC vs Current DLeague. Comparing stats dleague vs college, or nba vs college is impossible but you continue to do it. Dleague vs nba isn't even comparable. If his help is weak, he should be averaging 40 points per game

I'm done. It's obvious you're a Carolina fan which automatically makes you incapable of being reasonable.

Hairston wouldn't have been the best player on unc's roster

[Elden Payton]

Guys, with all due respect, can you please take your debate to the draft prospects thread?

I think both of you have great points and it is a worthy discussion to have in the appropriate thread.

[BeesWax]

Now you're just reaching, grasping for something.

Why do you come back to college? Henderson has been out of school for 5 years. You don't have to be a 3 point shooter to provide space. You're also pointing out college 3 point statistics which aren't comparable to the NBA. You go back ti college but then you say he's better than Henderson now...make up your mind

Are you taking Hairston over Warren?

You brought up college saying the ACC is better than the D-league. I said he was better for us then Henderson. Percentages prove me right you are trying to talk out both sides of your mouth. His competition is weak so it does not count but when I bring up his help being weak you question it? So which is it weak D-league or quality because you seem to say both.

You stretch your "facts" to fit your needs and ignore the face of the argument. He was a solid college player last year and will be a good pro next year. I think I take Warren over Hairston but it would not be by much. The numbers Hairston put up after moving into the starting line up last season were great. If he had been eligible to play this season he would have challenged Warren for POY in ACC.

You don't like him for some reason and that is fine but the stats back me up. He is a better floor spacer and has an NBA ready frame right now. I said he may not be the better all round player but he is the better fit for us.

What does the ACC currently having more talent have to do auth Henderson 6 years ago?

I'm done. It's obvious you're a Carolina fan which automatically makes you incapable of being reasonable.

Hairston wouldn't have been the best player on unc's roster

Obviously you are a Duke fan which makes you incapable of looking at numbers impartially. You bring up points I shoot them down and you ask why I shot them down. This is hilarious. I showed you how he performed in what you said was a tougher place and how he performs now and you just bounce back and forth and can't argue anything.

He is a first round talent and the number bear that out. His mediocre numbers are better than Henderson are right now percentage wise. FT are the same in either league and Hairston shoots better. Henderson shoots nothing but open threes and so there is no way to defend that any worse, yet Hairston shoots better. Obviously you are unwilling to look at this in any fair way so you are right no reason to argue with someone who won't look at facts but instead likes to make his own up.

[gehenherzog]

You brought up college saying the ACC is better than the D-league. I said he was better for us then Henderson. Percentages prove me right you are trying to talk out both sides of your mouth. His competition is weak so it does not count but when I bring up his help being weak you question it? So which is it weak D-league or quality because you seem to say both.

You stretch your "facts" to fit your needs and ignore the face of the argument. He was a solid college player last year and will be a good pro next year. I think I take Warren over Hairston but it would not be by much. The numbers Hairston put up after moving into the starting line up last season were great. If he had been eligible to play this season he would have challenged Warren for POY in ACC.

You don't like him for some reason and that is fine but the stats back me up. He is a better floor spacer and has an NBA ready frame right now. I said he may not be the better all round player but he is the better fit for us.

What does the ACC currently having more talent have to do auth Henderson 6 years ago?

I'm done. It's obvious you're a Carolina fan which automatically makes you incapable of being reasonable.

Hairston wouldn't have been the best player on unc's roster

Obviously you are a Duke fan which makes you incapable of looking at numbers impartially. You bring up points I shoot them down and you ask why I shot them down. This is hilarious. I showed you how he performed in what you said was a tougher place and how he performs now and you just bounce back and forth and can't argue anything.

He is a first round talent and the number bear that out. His mediocre numbers are better than Henderson are right now percentage wise. FT are the same in either league and Hairston shoots better. Henderson shoots nothing but open threes and so there is no way to defend that any worse, yet Hairston shoots better. Obviously you are unwilling to look at this in any fair way so you are right no reason to argue with someone who won't look at facts but instead likes to make his own up.

Umm what? Every point I've made, you've twisted into something that wasn't said.

Henderson shoots nothing but open 3s? He rarely shoots 3s at all.

You continue to bring opinion into the conversation, not facts.


http://nbadraft.net

Weird, their mock, I don't see Hairston in the first round.

I don't like Henderson, but he's better and better for this team than Hairston. Plus he's not an idiot.

[JDR720]

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