Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[Jamaaliver]

In all fairness if you expect more for Millsap than what Deng got (coming off a all-star appearance, 1 year younger than Millsap) your kidding yourself. Millsap will be a expiring contract at the deadline, Horford I get but he's coming off 2 season ending injuries. I do think he has more value because he's younger and locked into a longer contract.

So Horford I understand and presumably would need Ross in the deal. Millsap, however, I think is very doable without those pieces I mentioned.

I understand your point fo view, but Millsap is an All Star player on an expiring contract. We have cap flexibility as it is. We'd have no real benefit to trade him for scrap pieces or expiring pieces.

Especially since next season, he'd pair well (again!) with Horford and make us a playoff team.

Again, there has to be incentive on the receiving for us to make the trade. CHI was making a salary dump with Deng, since they could not afford him. That was there benfit. We need talent, players at any position. Giving up our best player for table scraps doesn't benefits the Hawks if there is no one on the roster or in the pipeline to takeover his spot on the team. Unless you want to trade us multiple first round draft picks, and even that likely doesn't get it done.

You're basically asking the franchise to do you guys a REALLY big favor just because you want him....doesn't work that way.

[theatlfan]

Any interest in a Pekovic, Budinger or LRMAM for Milsap and Korver deal?

I'm not as interested as many around here in Pekovic. Our current system demands that the bigs have a consistent midrange - or deeper - jump shot. For the things that Pekovic does well, a midrange game isn't one of them. The other thing about Pek's game is his D. From my limited exposure, I didn't think he was lost when playing m2m in the post, but he was no rim protector and he got lost somewhat on the perimeter. I'd think that I'd be much more amenable to a 3-way deal over a direct deal.

Even so, you're really asking for the moon in Pek: an AS, arguably the best shooter in the League, and the right to dump two bad contracts. For the price here, I would be expecting Love in the return over Pek. Even if I was amenable to aiding in helping a 3rd team land Pek, I would think that asking for this price for him should basically be a turnoff for anyone who would be interested.

[Rapsobsessed7]

In all fairness if you expect more for Millsap than what Deng got (coming off a all-star appearance, 1 year younger than Millsap) your kidding yourself. Millsap will be a expiring contract at the deadline, Horford I get but he's coming off 2 season ending injuries. I do think he has more value because he's younger and locked into a longer contract.

So Horford I understand and presumably would need Ross in the deal. Millsap, however, I think is very doable without those pieces I mentioned.

I understand your point fo view, but Millsap is an All Star player on an expiring contract. We have cap flexibility as it is. We'd have no real benefit to trade him for scrap pieces or expiring pieces.

Especially since next season, he'd pair well (again!) with Horford and make us a playoff team.

Again, there has to be incentive on the receiving for us to make the trade. CHI was making a salary dump with Deng, since they could not afford him. That was there benfit. We need talent, players at any position. Giving up our best player for table scraps doesn't benefits the Hawks if there is no one on the roster or in the pipeline to takeover his spot on the team. Unless you want to trade us multiple first round draft picks, and even that likely doesn't get it done.

You're basically asking the franchise to do you guys a REALLY big favor just because you want him....doesn't work that way.

I'm not saying for scraps, I was insinuating pick(s) much like what Deng got. He was a expiring, coming off a all-star appearance the exact same situation Millsap will be in come trade deadline.

[theatlfan]

In all fairness if you expect more for Millsap than what Deng got (coming off a all-star appearance, 1 year younger than Millsap) your kidding yourself. Millsap will be a expiring contract at the deadline, Horford I get but he's coming off 2 season ending injuries. I do think he has more value because he's younger and locked into a longer contract.

So Horford I understand and presumably would need Ross in the deal. Millsap, however, I think is very doable without those pieces I mentioned.

Let's be real: Deng brought a LOT for CHI. A probably late lotto over the next 3 drafts, 2 2nds, the ability to swap another, and the real gem of the deal from CHI's perspective: getting out of being an LT repeater. In all honesty, if someone would offer the 3 picks, the right to swap another, and the assets that would amount to ~$20M (note we wouldn't care about the $$ as much as the assets that would be worth that $$ - i.e., a late 1st is worth ~$3M, etc) then yeah, I think most here would be willing to trade Millsap. H3ll, we'll drop the $$ assets from $20M to $10M for the 1 year age difference - and whatever other reasons that one would denigrate Millsap to elevate Deng - and we'd still be interested...

[Mattya]

Any interest in a Pekovic, Budinger or LRMAM for Milsap and Korver deal?

I'm not as interested as many around here in Pekovic. Our current system demands that the bigs have a consistent midrange - or deeper - jump shot. For the things that Pekovic does well, a midrange game isn't one of them. The other thing about Pek's game is his D. From my limited exposure, I didn't think he was lost when playing m2m in the post, but he was no rim protector and he got lost somewhat on the perimeter. I'd think that I'd be much more amenable to a 3-way deal over a direct deal.

Even so, you're really asking for the moon in Pek: an AS, arguably the best shooter in the League, and the right to dump two bad contracts. For the price here, I would be expecting Love in the return over Pek. Even if I was amenable to aiding in helping a 3rd team land Pek, I would think that asking for this price for him should basically be a turnoff for anyone who would be interested.

1. Pek is good in pick and roll d, but he isn't great at help defense because of his size. Like I said he looks worse because he plays next to Love.

2. I think Pek>Milsap, so something would need to be added for the Wolves.

3. LRMAM is an expiring contract, so he isn't a bad contract. I think you could make an argument for Bud being a questionable contract because of the injuries, but those were extremely unlucky injuries. When he is healthy he can stretch the floor and move off the ball. I put him in more because I thought the Hawks would have some sort shooting coming back.

[theatlfan]

1. Pek is good in pick and roll d, but he isn't great at help defense because of his size. Like I said he looks worse because he plays next to Love.

2. I think Pek>Milsap, so something would need to be added for the Wolves.

3. LRMAM is an expiring contract, so he isn't a bad contract. I think you could make an argument for Bud being a questionable contract because of the injuries, but those were extremely unlucky injuries. When he is healthy he can stretch the floor and move off the ball. I put him in more because I thought the Hawks would have some sort shooting coming back.

Not real sure where you're going with 1. I said he doesn't fit on our O and you're agreeing that he's not someone that you rebuild your D around... Are you agreeing that he wouldn't be a fit here?

Look, I don't particularly care to debate values (with 30 different teams there should be at least 30 different opinions on how to compare dissimilar - yet productive - players and every opinion is valid for that situation) but still, it's a far cry between saying you want a little more and saying the other team should give up a key piece to their marketing campaign AND take on nearly $15M for players best served not playing. Expiring or no, neither Budinger, when healthy, nor Mbah a Moute have been net positive players for the last 2-3 seasons; I'd prefer to commit that $$ to FAs in this year's class than give it to eat someone else's mistakes. You can try to spin this however you like, but the fact is that cap relief - even for expiring contracts - has proven to be the more valuable asset to trade in this CBA and $14+M is a whole lot of jack to expect to be dumping on someone, 2x so when you're eating your cake with productive players too.

[Mattya]

1. Pek is good in pick and roll d, but he isn't great at help defense because of his size. Like I said he looks worse because he plays next to Love.

2. I think Pek>Milsap, so something would need to be added for the Wolves.

3. LRMAM is an expiring contract, so he isn't a bad contract. I think you could make an argument for Bud being a questionable contract because of the injuries, but those were extremely unlucky injuries. When he is healthy he can stretch the floor and move off the ball. I put him in more because I thought the Hawks would have some sort shooting coming back.

Not real sure where you're going with 1. I said he doesn't fit on our O and you're agreeing that he's not someone that you rebuild your D around... Are you agreeing that he wouldn't be a fit here?

Look, I don't particularly care to debate values (with 30 different teams there should be at least 30 different opinions on how to compare dissimilar - yet productive - players and every opinion is valid for that situation) but still, it's a far cry between saying you want a little more and saying the other team should give up a key piece to their marketing campaign AND take on nearly $15M for players best served not playing. Expiring or no, neither Budinger, when healthy, nor Mbah a Moute have been net positive players for the last 2-3 seasons; I'd prefer to commit that $$ to FAs in this year's class than give it to eat someone else's mistakes. You can try to spin this however you like, but the fact is that cap relief - even for expiring contracts - has proven to be the more valuable asset to trade in this CBA and $14+M is a whole lot of jack to expect to be dumping on someone, 2x so when you're eating your cake with productive players too.

Who are you going to find as a center that is going to fit both your offensive and defensive requirements? I don't agree with your view of Pekovic's fit at all. So it's going to be tough to come close to an agreement here and I will leave it at that.

[theatlfan]

Who are you going to find as a center that is going to fit both your offensive and defensive requirements? I don't agree with your view of Pekovic's fit at all. So it's going to be tough to come close to an agreement here and I will leave it at that.

?? Where did I say I had to have both? At this point, just one of the 2 is fine and there are plenty of guys at all caliber of players who can supply 1 of 2. Hence, why I was so open up front in my first post in my thinking MIN would be better off in using us as a 3rd team in a deal involving Pekovic.

Still, as someone who doesn't care to acquire Pekovic, I still have to say that I'd think MIN would be better off dealing Love than Pekovic. There are 3 problems with trying to deal Pekovic. The 1st is that he's a very unique player in today's NBA. In and of itself, that's not necessarily a bad thing but it does mean the acquiring team has to take a year or two and surround him with pieces to ensure the best team possible. For someone like Love, he performs at an MVP level offensively so you can swallow taking a hit here and there to surround Love with complementary talent, but Pekovic is no MVP candidate. This is the bigger reason no one bothered to bid on him during his RFA period - there just aren't too many GMs who'd be willing to tie himself to building around someone who isn't a top tier player. The 2nd problem is that next offseason's FA class is the best C FA class we've seen in some time. Gasol, Hibbert, Chandler, Vucevic, Lopez, Asik, Big Al, Jordan - several starting quality (or better) C's that could be had for cap room alone without giving up talent or having to take on bad contracts. Why pay a ransom demand for Pekovic now (and effectively take us out of the bidding for these FAs) when we could be better faster by simply waiting? We won't be the only team asking that same ? either. The third, and perhaps biggest, problem is that everyone knows MIN's situation with Love is getting desperate if the ship hasn't sailed already. As you've pointed out, there is a questionable fit between Love and Pekovic in the front court. No GM pays top dollar to a desperate team trying to deal off questionable fits(see PHI @ the deadline). It's one thing if you can acquire a superstar, but quite another when it's a 2nd to 3rd tier C. At some point, MIN will either have to readjust their sights on the return for Pekovic or just deal Love.

Look, if you're looking to surround Love with pieces and are willing to pay for those pieces, then I think we have pieces we'd be wiling to sell. If you decide to deal Love, then I'd have no problem trying to piece together a competitive offer for him. But if you're looking for a deal where you want a king's ransom for a 2nd or 3rd tier C, then nah, keep looking.

[jbk1234]

If you guys are considering moving Horford, could Cleveland entice you with let's say three first rounders and Verajeo? Cavs 2014 1st, Memphis 2015 1st, and Miami 2015 1st?

[MaceCase]

If you guys are considering moving Horford, could Cleveland entice you with let's say three first rounders and Verajeo? Cavs 2014 1st, Memphis 2015 1st, and Miami 2015 1st?

What kind of protections are we talking about here on the Cleveland pick specifically?

Either way that's pretty amazing value there. Hawks can go any direction with picks ~9 and their own 15: stand pat, trade up, etc.

Varejao is intriguing. His deal can be waived if the team has any free agent targets this summer or he can be held on and there will be max cap space in 2015.

From Cleveland's standpoint having a resigned Deng to go along with Al could be the kick in the ass that Irving and Waiters need. Bring back Hawes and the only thing really standing in the way of the team not just cracking into the playoffs but rising to a top seed would be Irving/Waiters development.

Really don't see a reason that I would say no at not 1 but 3 1sts but I'm honestly waiting for you to pull the rug out from under me.

[jbk1234]

If you guys are considering moving Horford, could Cleveland entice you with let's say three first rounders and Verajeo? Cavs 2014 1st, Memphis 2015 1st, and Miami 2015 1st?

What kind of protections are we talking about here on the Cleveland pick specifically?

Either way that's pretty amazing value there. Hawks can go any direction with picks ~9 and their own 15: stand pat, trade up, etc.

Varejao is intriguing. His deal can be waived if the team has any free agent targets this summer or he can be held on and there will be max cap space in 2015.

From Cleveland's standpoint having a resigned Deng to go along with Al could be the kick in the ass that Irving and Waiters need. Bring back Hawes and the only thing really standing in the way of the team not just cracking into the playoffs but rising to a top seed would be Irving/Waiters development.

Really don't see a reason that I would say no at not 1 but 3 1sts but I'm honestly waiting for you to pull the rug out from under me.

Memphis is top 15 protected and Miami is top 10 protected. There are Cleveland fans that will scream that this offer as an overpay but Cleveland needs to upgrade their front court.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Would there be anything on the Raptors that could entice the Hawks to trade Horford?

[ATL Boy]

Would there be anything on the Raptors that could entice the Hawks to trade Horford?

I don't think we're willing to trade Al but if we were, then talks would start with Valanciunas

[Rapsobsessed7]

Would there be anything on the Raptors that could entice the Hawks to trade Horford?

I don't think we're willing to trade Al but if we were, then talks would start with Valanciunas

Well that wouldn't happen obviously from a TOR standpoint. The idea would be to pair the two together. I had in mind a deal let me know what you think. Toronto is most likely drafting a swingman with #20, someone like McDaniels or Hood based on DXs mock.

To TOR: Al Horford

To ATL: Greg Monroe (S&T) + Harrison Barnes

To DET: Lou Williams + Mareese Speights + Julyan Stone + *Rights to #20 (Hood/McDaniels)

To GSW: Amir Johnson + 2016 NYK 1st (TOR)

Here's my thinking for ATL
- draft James Young @ #15 (DX has him there so I'll go off that)
- draft Jordan Clarkson @ #43 (DX has him there)
- resign Antic/Scott
- offer sheet Ed Davis (I'm a Raptor fan and from watching him during his time here I think he would be a great addition and insurance for Millsap. Also think he compliments Monroe nicely.)

Jeff Teague / Dennis Schroder / Jordan Clarkson
Kyle Korver / James Young / John Jenkins
Harrison Barnes / DeMarre Carroll
Paul Millsap / Ed Davis / Mike Scott
Greg Monroe / Pero Antic / Mike Muscala

I think that's an interesting team with tons of potential. Monroe is a true C, better defensively there and I like how he fits there.

Detroit - get spacing/future SF with Hood/McDaniels, draft a guy like Gordon so getting something for Monroe makes sense.

Golden State - Amir is the perfect big off the bench for them. Top 6 analytic PF in RPM, goes closer to home (this makes it easier for me to trade him because he's loved by Toronto), plays PF/C. Get a future asset to use as well In the NYK pick.

Toronto - need post play. However since Amir is our best defender we need someone with defense as good as his but also more post offense. Horford does that IMO.

[azuresou1]

Doesn't make any sense for ATL, we can just sign Greg Monroe outright if we want to, assuming he's getting around $10-11M a year. Barnes has regressed and isn't even starter caliber right now.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Doesn't make any sense for ATL, we can just sign Greg Monroe outright if we want to, assuming he's getting around $10-11M a year. Barnes has regressed and isn't even starter caliber right now.

I don't believe you have enough cap room (based on the cap threads on your board and the trade board) and I see Monroe getting 12-14 million. Would it change your mind to send Barnes Detroits way and you get the player at #20?

[Jamaaliver]

Doesn't make any sense for ATL, we can just sign Greg Monroe outright if we want to, assuming he's getting around $10-11M a year. Barnes has regressed and isn't even starter caliber right now.

I don't believe you have enough cap room (based on the cap threads on your board and the trade board) and I see Monroe getting 12-14 million. Would it change your mind to send Barnes Detroits way and you get the player at #20?

Not really, cause Horford is better than Monroe and only makes $12 million himself.

Again, we'll only break up our frontcourt if we can get an upgraded player.

[dms269]

It really doesn't make any sense for Atlanta to give up Horford and risk having to pay Monroe a max deal (someone will offer it to him). Barnes doesn't have enough value to swing it in favor of Atlanta who is already giving up the better player on a very friendly contract.

[theatlfan]

To TOR: Al Horford

To ATL: Greg Monroe (S&T) + Harrison Barnes

To DET: Lou Williams + Mareese Speights + Julyan Stone + *Rights to #20 (Hood/McDaniels)

To GSW: Amir Johnson + 2016 NYK 1st (TOR)

Why on Earth would GSW and TOR be cut in on this deal? DET is getting Lou + #20 for Monroe. Hence, when the trade breaks down we're trading Horford for our #15 pick and Harrison Barnes since we have the cap to put a $12-14M offer without Lou. The counter here is Lou+15 straight up for Monroe. If we decide to move Horford after landing Monroe, then we can do it in a separate deal where we can get more than 15+Barnes for him.

I'm with ATL Boy, if TOR wants Horford then I'd have to think TOR's package centers around either Valanciunas or possibly Derozan. This trying to steal someone by making an overly complex deal just isn't something that works in reality unless you can truly find a sucker. I just don't think Ferry is that dumb.

[Rapsobsessed7]

To TOR: Al Horford

To ATL: Greg Monroe (S&T) + Harrison Barnes

To DET: Lou Williams + Mareese Speights + Julyan Stone + *Rights to #20 (Hood/McDaniels)

To GSW: Amir Johnson + 2016 NYK 1st (TOR)

Why on Earth would GSW and TOR be cut in on this deal? DET is getting Lou + #20 for Monroe. Hence, when the trade breaks down we're trading Horford for our #15 pick and Harrison Barnes since we have the cap to put a $12-14M offer without Lou. The counter here is Lou+15 straight up for Monroe. If we decide to move Horford after landing Monroe, then we can do it in a separate deal where we can get more than 15+Barnes for him.

I'm with ATL Boy, if TOR wants Horford then I'd have to think TOR's package centers around either Valanciunas or possibly Derozan. This trying to steal someone by making an overly complex deal just isn't something that works in reality unless you can truly find a sucker. I just don't think Ferry is that dumb.

Neither of them would happen. It simply doesnt make sense, the idea is to pair Horford with those two guys & Lowry. I cant see Val being traded under any circumstances to be quite honest, and Demar being a 1st time all-star and proving his play in the playoffs also makes it highly unlikely.

Now if you wanted to talk Terrence Ross, Amir Johnson (3rd team), picks, maybe that sparks Masai's interest but i cant see him dealing the two players you outlined.