2013-14 German Bundesliga Thread: Bayern Champs Again

[Andi Obst]

deal for Ramos is for 9 million Euros. Zorc also made it known that Dortmund is still looking to buy another striker in addition to Ramos.

Drmic? Doubt he is going to stay in Nuremberg for much longer.

I think they should target someone with more international experience, but I also heard they are interested in Volland (Hoffenheim).

[ATL Boy]

Borussia Dortmund have officially exercised their purchase option on Turkish international midfielder, Nuri Sahin from Real Madrid for a fee of €7 million.

I love that we had this!

[ATL Boy]

deal for Ramos is for 9 million Euros. Zorc also made it known that Dortmund is still looking to buy another striker in addition to Ramos.

Drmic? Doubt he is going to stay in Nuremberg for much longer.

Drmic, Ciro Immobile, and the dude in my avi are all possibilities.

http://soccer.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar ... shortlist/

[cgf]

deal for Ramos is for 9 million Euros. Zorc also made it known that Dortmund is still looking to buy another striker in addition to Ramos.

Drmic? Doubt he is going to stay in Nuremberg for much longer.

Either him or Volland would be my guess, with Volland the more likely of the two.

[Det the Threat]

Some reports yesterday stated that Borussia Dortmund has signed Freiburg's Matthias Ginter.

If so, then I believe Gladbach will buy Fabian Schär of FC Basel.

Also, Drmic has been linked to Gladbach as well and reports say that he has an opt out of 8.5 mil euros, if Nuremberg avoids relegation. If they are relegated, then he'll only cost something like 3.5 mil euros.

[Foye]

People around here are complaining that Bayern is destroying the other Bundesliga teams by buying their best players.

Reality is Dortmund is the team buying other teams stars and high potential players.

Reus from Gladbach.
Ginter from Freiburg.
Gündogan from Nürnberg.
Subotic from Mainz.
Ramos from Hertha.
Sokratis from Bremen.
Bender from 1860 Munich.
Hummels from Bayern.

+Volland or Drmic

If I was a Bundesliga manager I would much rather sell to Bayern because they are at least buying at a good price. Basically all players Dortmund is buying are bought below market value. Ginter for 8 and Ramos for 9 mil. € are laughable transfer prices.

Especially, Ginter is hilarious. Even if Freiburg might get back Sarr in the deal.

[cgf]

People around here are complaining that Bayern is destroying the other Bundesliga teams by buying their best players.

Reality is Dortmund is the team buying other teams stars and high potential players.

Reus from Gladbach.
Ginter from Freiburg.
Gündogan from Nürnberg.
Subotic from Mainz.
Ramos from Hertha.
Sokratis from Bremen.
Bender from 1860 Munich.
Hummels from Bayern.

+Volland or Drmic

If I was a Bundesliga manager I would much rather sell to Bayern because they are at least buying at a good price. Basically all players Dortmund is buying are bought below market value. Ginter for 8 and Ramos for 9 mil. € are laughable transfer prices.

Especially, Ginter is hilarious. Even if Freiburg might get back Sarr in the deal.

Many of those guys weren't stars when they moved. Hummels, Subotic, Ilkay, Lars, Sokratis, Ramos, Jojic and even Ginter weren't stars when bought.

[cgf]

Some reports yesterday stated that Borussia Dortmund has signed Freiburg's Matthias Ginter.

If so, then I believe Gladbach will buy Fabian Schär of FC Basel.

Also, Drmic has been linked to Gladbach as well and reports say that he has an opt out of 8.5 mil euros, if Nuremberg avoids relegation. If they are relegated, then he'll only cost something like 3.5 mil euros.

Yep, hopefully Dortmund go after Volland and Wolfsburg go after Morata or Lukaku and leave you guys with Drmic, he and Schar would really cap off a phenomenal window.

[Foye]

Many of those guys weren't stars when they moved. Hummels, Subotic, Ilkay, Lars, Sokratis, Ramos, Jojic and even Ginter weren't stars when bought.

They might not be stars when they moved but the transfer sums paid for them were sometimes criminally low. Not compared to todays market value but compared to the market value when they were sold.

Anything below 12 mil. € + future incentives for Ginter is highway robbery considering he is probably the best CB prospect Germany has had in quite some time.

Same with Ramos. The guy has shown the complete package at Hertha this year. Easily worth double digits.

[Det the Threat]

Yep, hopefully Dortmund go after Volland and Wolfsburg go after Morata or Lukaku and leave you guys with Drmic, he and Schar would really cap off a phenomenal window.

Maybe I jumped the gun a little bit too early.
Both the club and Ginter have denied that he's signed with Dortmund. The club even said that there's no offer for him at the moment.

I guess it's still a fight for him between the two Borussia's.

Also, there are some rumors that Newcastle won't use the option to buy de Jong for 8 mil euros. That's not really surprising, given that he hasn't scored so far for them, but they're said to still be interested at a lower price, which is said to be something between 5 - 6 mil euros.
It's not all that great for Gladbach, but give that the loan was for 2 mil euros and that we've saved at least 500k on his salary, it might still be something to think about.

If that happens, then Drmic might be an option after all.

Anything below 12 mil. € + future incentives for Ginter is highway robbery considering he is probably the best CB prospect Germany has had in quite some time.

Well, given that he's "only" playing for Freiburg and with the prices in Germany still somewhat solid, I doubt he'll cost more then 10 mil euros.
In fact, some papers are already stating something around 7 mil as a transfer fee.

[cgf]

Many of those guys weren't stars when they moved. Hummels, Subotic, Ilkay, Lars, Sokratis, Ramos, Jojic and even Ginter weren't stars when bought.

They might not be stars when they moved but the transfer sums paid for them were sometimes criminally low. Not compared to todays market value but compared to the market value when they were sold.

Anything below 12 mil. € + future incentives for Ginter is highway robbery considering he is probably the best CB prospect Germany has had in quite some time.

Same with Ramos. The guy has shown the complete package at Hertha this year. Easily worth double digits.

Ramos is a 28 year old with one big season and only one year left on his contract. 9M is a very handsome fee for a player in those circumstances, one that some BVB fans have been bitching about.

Ginter for 8 is a little low, but for a kid who's breakout was last year and who plays for Freiburg it's a healthy fee. Especially relative to everyone they lost last season.

I really feel like you're reaching on this when it comes to everyone other than Reus and Mkh.

[Foye]

Ramos is a 28 year old with one big season and only one year left on his contract. 9M is a very handsome fee for a player in those circumstances, one that some BVB fans have been bitching about.

Ginter for 8 is a little low, but for a kid who's breakout was last year and who plays for Freiburg it's a healthy fee. Especially relative to everyone they lost last season.

I really feel like you're reaching on this when it comes to everyone other than Reus and Mkh.

With all respect. Anything below 12 mil. € for Ginter is laughable.
Barrying injuries he'll be worth double that in no time so Freiburg should really get the benefit for producing an awesome player.

Can already see the lowball offers from Dortmund for Johannes Geis coming. The player will be convinced to join Dortmund in no time. And all the small club can do is eventually approve the players wish.

I understand that you think Ramos is a bit old. But in todays market a guy below 30 single handedly saving his team from relegation trouble is worth double digit millions, IMO.

[cgf]

Look man, you're picking you're fight with the wrong guy on this topic, in germany especially, the smaller clubs have no way to get good money for the their top stars when they want to leave. But that's the modern game, so I don't see why you'd pick out Dortmund here. Ginter is really the only guy they've gotten who they underpaid on, and even if his current value is closer to the 12 you believe than the 10 I think he's worth now, then that's still only 4M which is a serious chunk of change, but if the one real example you have is them underpaying the developing club by 4M, that's reasonably benign for a giant in today's game.

I totally get you not wanting to see Geis sold for less than he's worth, but he probably will be unless you sell him to Hoppenheim, or some other big money club still needing to pay for their lack of prestige. That's what happens when you can't offer a player with big ambitions the same opportunity and money as the clubs above you.

Disagree with you big time on Ramos, but I'd love for his play to prove that the transfer fee was truly below his value.

[Foye]

The only real example? Dortmund got Gündogan for a bag of peanuts after a really good season in Nürnberg.

Same with Subotic who was a regular starter for Mainz 05 at age of 18 in the 2nd league.
You can say the 4.5 mil. € were his market value at the time but everybody in Mainz knew that it won't take long until this guy is one of the best CB's in the Bundesliga. If we had a choice we would've never sold him for 4.5 mil. €.

The small clubs just don't have enough power to keep their talents these days.

Goretzka is another example of a big club robbing a small one. I'm sure in Bochum they knew they were getting robbed well before they even had to agree to sell him. 3 mil. € is nothing for a player with his talent.

[Ted Lasso]

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/phil- ... 17996.html

If Ginter were British, he'd go for 20 million euros minimum. These things generally depend on the sanity of the local market.

On the other hand, 9 million euros for a one season wonder 28 year old striker who has one year left on his contract is actually great money.

[Point forward]

Hannover and Freiburg get huge wins, Stuttgart and Hamburg are in yet more s***.

BTW: Bayern REALLY does not care about the Bundesliga anymore. After shafting Mainz for giving a game to Augsburg, they are shafting Schalke for giving the game to Dortmund. 55 minutes and already 0:3 AT HOME.

[Foye]

Bayern-Dortmund 0:3

[Man of Steel]

Nice to see that we aren't the only team that Dortmund bring down to earth. Robbery have been looking frustrated. At the Allianz too hehehe

So this is what got Rafinha sent off today. Yuck.

[ATL Boy]

3-0 in Munich, this is a dream result.

[Det the Threat]

3-0 in Munich, this is a dream result.

Well, as Pep stated two weeks ago.
Bundesliga's over and Bayern just doesn't care about it anymore.

I hope he's not going to play just the juniors the rest of the way(which he didn't do today), cause that would leave a really bad taste in the mouth, just like the game at Augsburg.

Hannover and Freiburg get huge wins, Stuttgart and Hamburg are in yet more s***.

Well, we didn't deserve that point today but I'll gladly take it.
Hopefully Augsburg doesn't win at Hoffenheim and Kaiserslautern doesn't surprise Bayern.
That would mean we'd still be at least six points clear of Augsburg, while 7th place would be enough to qualify for europe.

BTW: Bayern REALLY does not care about the Bundesliga anymore. After shafting Mainz for giving a game to Augsburg, they are shafting Schalke for giving the game to Dortmund. 55 minutes and already 0:3 AT HOME.

Yeah, all that after telling other teams that they don't work hard enough nor train well enough.