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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1241 » by jbk1234 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:42 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Show me a player who could become Horford that late from this class?
You don't think anyone in this class can get injured every year?


I just don't think you can keep adding two (or more) 19 to 20-year old rookies to the roster year after year and be successful. You are stuck developing the new guys and trying to decide if you should extend the 23-year old veterans and for how much. Do you pay TT as though he's a starter? Should TT be your starting PF? If you think TT is still developing, does that mean we are going to have to wait for four years after this draft to see how good those players are? When exactly are the Cavs going to be a good team?

Everyone who cites the OKC model ignores the fact that OKC happened to land Kevin Durant. But for that once-a-decade pick, OKC is lucky to be a .500 team.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1242 » by BossHoggin » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:20 am

Horford isn't going to help when he tears his pec again next December.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1243 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:17 pm

Why would we go after Horford when we should be going after a center?
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1244 » by JDR720 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:07 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Why would we go after Horford when we should be going after a center?

Horford has played basically his whole career at C, he'd probably be better at PF but he is still border line All-Star at C
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1245 » by fart » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:49 pm

Jabari Parker wrote:After losing in the NCAA tournament, I needed to clear my mind. I was incredibly disappointed and blamed myself. I didn't watch basketball or go to the gym for several days. But I soon realized the real test is how we handle defeat and I laced my shoes and headed to the student rec center to play some pick-up.
It reminded me of how much I loved the game, but it was only a temporary reprieve. As soon as I got back, I turned my attention to one of the hardest decisions I've had to make up to this point in my life: whether to remain in school or enter the NBA draft.
Lately I haven't slept much. Although my dream is to play in the NBA, I've gotten pretty attached to life at Duke and I don't want to utter the word goodbye.
For starters, my teammates -- guys like Rasheed Sulaimon and Rodney Hood -- have become like brothers. One season together doesn't feel long enough. Second, I have thrived in the classroom and my professors have opened my mind to other areas of interest, such as film, writing, and business. Third, my assistant coaches -- Wojo, Nate, my uncle Jon, and my mentor Jeff Capel -- have become important men in my life.
JEFF BENEDICT: The education of Jabari Parker
Then there's Coach K, the godfather of college basketball. He's much more than a coach to me. He's been a father figure. He's taught me a lot about the game and what it will take to succeed in the NBA. But he's taught me even more about life. In our discussions he has made no attempt to talk me into staying. He has simply told me the pros and cons.
There is one other thing tugging at me to remain in Durham. Next year my good friend Jahlil Okafor is coming, along with three other top recruits. The prospect of playing with such a talented big man is pretty tempting. Together we could help put up another banner in Cameron.
I haven't consulted many people during this process. I talked to my parents, though. They simply said it was my decision and they would stand behind me either way. They just want me to be happy.
Ultimately, I boiled my decision down to two simple questions:
Which environment -- college or the NBA -- offers me the best opportunity to grow as a basketball player?
Which environment -- college or the NBA -- offers me the best opportunity to grow and develop off the court?
The answer to both questions is undeniably the NBA.
There is something else. My father, Sonny, played in the NBA. I know firsthand that the career span of a pro basketball player is finite. The lucky ones play until their mid-30s. With that perspective, I shrink my professional career with each year that I remain in college. It's ironic, but true.
I have lived with great expectations ever since I dunked for the first time at age 14. I take losing very personally because I don't like letting people down. Not fans. Not teammates. Especially not Coach K. That's another reason why this decision has been so tough. I wanted to go out on a winning note.
Growing up I couldn't afford the newest gym shoes or the latest fashion fads. But I always had my milk crate nailed to a light post in the alley near my home in Chicago. That's where I fell in love with the game that has brought excitement and passion to my life. I am now ready to take the leap to the NBA. It's a dream come true.
On Tuesday I thanked Coach K for preparing me to become a professional. I expressed my appreciation to him for helping me grow so much as a person and a basketball player. And he reminded me how successful a season it was for our team and me personally. I told him that he is always going to be my coach. But the time has come for me to join the best basketball league in the world.
Coach K told me I needed to do what's best for me and that I will always be a part of the Duke family. We talked about the next steps. We discussed everything from agents, to workouts to USA Basketball. What I appreciated most was his support and friendship.
Today I sent my letter of intent to the NBA. That makes it official -- my days as a Duke basketball player are over.
But my days as a Duke student are not. I intend to graduate from Duke while I'm in the NBA. I was an honor student when I arrived at Duke, and I'd like to graduate as one.
BENEDICT: Parker is the best high school basketball player since LeBron James
I know some people will say this is unrealistic. Others will say, why bother? The fact is that I have many interests beyond basketball. I'd like to write a children's book. I am interested in various business aspects of the entertainment industry. And I'd like to work with corporate America in one way or another. A college degree from Duke will help with each of these aspirations.
I've had to make one other major decision recently. It is well known that I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where it is common -- even expected -- to serve a two-year mission at age 19. I just turned 19. And I come from a family with a legacy of missionary service. My mother, Lola, served a mission before she married my father. My older brother, Christian, recently completed a mission in Atlanta. And although my father is not a Mormon, he attends church with our family every Sunday and he has made it clear that he would fully support me if I chose to go on a mission.
I've been weighing this question for the past two years. After talking with my family, my local church leaders and a couple close friends I'm at peace with my decision to forego a mission for now and join the NBA. I don't consider myself an exception to the rule. At this point in my life I know this is the right decision.
I want to follow in my father's footsteps as a role model to youth, especially those kids who need the most help. My dad created the Sonny Parker Youth Foundation, which has helped countless boys -- including me -- develop into manhood and stay out of trouble.
I realize how much of a privilege and an honor it is to join the ranks of the NBA. I will do everything in my power to help deliver championships to the franchise that drafts me. At the same time, I recognize the obligation to represent the league in an admirable way off the court.
Up to this point I haven't given any thought to agents. But now that I've declared, I will turn my attention to the process of choosing someone to represent me. Money was not a factor in my decision to go pro. It won't be a factor in my choice of an agent. My number one criterion in choosing a college coach was an impeccable reputation for integrity. I'm looking for the same thing in an agent.
This past year at Duke has been a cherished chapter in my life. I'm very fortunate to have worn the blue and white. And I will always carry with me the memories of playing in front of the Crazies at Cameron. Now it's time to write the next chapter. I can't wait to get started.


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Give whatever is necessary to land a top 3 pick and draft this guy. Either trade Kyrie straight up or go after him with a package surrounded around Waiters/9th pick/Memphis pick.

Imagine a Irving/Jabari duo or a Waiters/Jabari duo, ,and flip Tristan to Houstong for Asik.

Waiters
CJ
Jabari
Bennett
Asik

Plus a max contract and the 9th pick to play with
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1246 » by Okada » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:59 pm

fart wrote:Give whatever is necessary to land a top 3 pick and draft this guy. Either trade Kyrie straight up or go after him with a package surrounded around Waiters/9th pick/Memphis pick.

Imagine a Irving/Jabari duo or a Waiters/Jabari duo, ,and flip Tristan to Houstong for Asik.

Waiters
CJ
Jabari
Bennett
Asik

Plus a max contract and the 9th pick to play with


1. I'd rather have Kyrie than Jabari.

2. That team doesn't even look good to me honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if they performed the same or worse than this year's team did.

3. Houston would not make that trade.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1247 » by fart » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:02 am

Okada wrote:
fart wrote:Give whatever is necessary to land a top 3 pick and draft this guy. Either trade Kyrie straight up or go after him with a package surrounded around Waiters/9th pick/Memphis pick.

Imagine a Irving/Jabari duo or a Waiters/Jabari duo, ,and flip Tristan to Houstong for Asik.

Waiters
CJ
Jabari
Bennett
Asik

Plus a max contract and the 9th pick to play with


1. I'd rather have Kyrie than Jabari.

2. That team doesn't even look good to me honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if they performed the same or worse than this year's team did.

3. Houston would not make that trade.
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yeah you are right a Waiters/Irving/Tristan trio is so much better, Imagine how many games they would win together!!!.........Oh only 33? :lol:
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1248 » by Okada » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:21 am

fart wrote:yeah you are right a Waiters/Irving/Tristan trio is so much better, Imagine how many games they would win together!!!.........Oh only 33? :lol:


Like I've said, there are so many more factors involved in this stuff than you acknowledge. You just like to blame everything on Irving which is a massive oversimplification. And like I just said, that Waiters/Parker/Asik (which wouldn't happen with Asik anyways) looks like a 33 win squad to me.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1249 » by fart » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:50 am

Jabari will be a top 5 player in the league. Irving was not even top 10 at his position last season. I don't blame everything on irving. I just call it as I see it, irving is a shoot first combo guard, a very good one too. He iw not someone who can be the best player on a serious contender.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1250 » by Okada » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:01 am

fart wrote:Jabari will be a top 5 player in the league. Irving was not even top 10 at his position last season. I don't blame everything on irving. I just call it as I see it, irving is a shoot first combo guard, a very good one too. He iw not someone who can be the best player on a serious contender.


I'm obviously not even close to as high on Jabari as you are. Just because you have a boner for the kid doesn't mean everyone else does, and that's still ignoring the fact that he's a complete unknown.

And like I've said to you, multiple times, a max player and the best player on a contender (not even a serious one) are NOT THE SAME THING.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1251 » by fart » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:20 am

Okada wrote:
fart wrote:Jabari will be a top 5 player in the league. Irving was not even top 10 at his position last season. I don't blame everything on irving. I just call it as I see it, irving is a shoot first combo guard, a very good one too. He iw not someone who can be the best player on a serious contender.


I'm obviously not even close to as high on Jabari as you are. Just because you have a boner for the kid doesn't mean everyone else does, and that's still ignoring the fact that he's a complete unknown.

And like I've said to you, multiple times, a max player and the best player on a contender (not even a serious one) are NOT THE SAME THING.


Who said they were? Why do you want to keep the same core together that couldn't even win 35 games? I love how people automatically assume that their players are going to play much better next season then they did the previous season. Why would they? They gained so much more experience this season that it will drastically improve the team next season? Experience in what, losing? Lol.... they gained some kind of chemistry or what? This is the same team that just lost to the Bucks last week and for some reason, you want to keep this "core" together.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1252 » by Okada » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:52 am

fart wrote:Who said they were? Why do you want to keep the same core together that couldn't even win 35 games? I love how people automatically assume that their players are going to play much better next season then they did the previous season. Why would they? They gained so much more experience this season that it will drastically improve the team next season? Experience in what, losing? Lol.... they gained some kind of chemistry or what? This is the same team that just lost to the Bucks last week and for some reason, you want to keep this "core" together.


You are pretty much. There's no other reason to repeatedly say Kyrie isn't worth the max BECAUSE he can't be the best player on a contender.

And I want to keep the core because that entire core is 22 years old or younger, obviously. Blowing it up this early is foolish. I'm not saying the option of tinkering with it shouldn't be evaluated but it's at least too soon to trade Kyrie, that's for sure. I didn't even say I assume that they're going to be all that much better next year, but I think they'll improve next year for reasons that should be obvious. They're all young and for that reason alone, it's likely that they'll improve. They'll likely have a 2nd year of practice in their new system. They probably won't be dealing with another Bynum debacle which I believe hurt the team a lot more than you acknowledge, especially since we were practicing for the offense to be centered around the guy until he got suspended. And you don't even seem to realize that this team significantly improved from last year. Yes, the season was disappointing and frustrating, but the team was also better than they were by a significant margin.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1253 » by fart » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:29 am

Welp, who knows.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1254 » by Okada » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:43 am

I do find it interesting that the Blazers went from 33-49 to 54-28 in one year with the same 4 man core and I know many of the players said a lot of it had to do with having a 2nd year in Stotts' system and growing chemistry. They did upgrade at center and bolstered the bench, but still. I think there's a lot to be said for an extra year of growing into a new system, a new coach, and growing with your teammates, especially for younger guys. And please don't take this to mean I think the Cavs are going to come within a mile of 54-28 lol.
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Post#1255 » by BossHoggin » Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:09 pm

Okada wrote:I do find it interesting that the Blazers went from 33-49 to 54-28 in one year with the same 4 man core and I know many of the players said a lot of it had to do with having a 2nd year in Stotts' system and growing chemistry. They did upgrade at center and bolstered the bench, but still. I think there's a lot to be said for an extra year of growing into a new system, a new coach, and growing with your teammates, especially for younger guys. And please don't take this to mean I think the Cavs are going to come within a mile of 54-28 lol.

take that logic elsewhere, we don't need any of that in here
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Post#1256 » by Okada » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:34 pm

BossHoggin wrote:take that logic elsewhere, we don't need any of that in here


By the looks of you, you just don't want any kind of logic anywhere.
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Post#1257 » by BossHoggin » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:29 pm

Okada wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:take that logic elsewhere, we don't need any of that in here


By the looks of you, you just don't want any kind of logic anywhere.

you're the one arguing with fart champ
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1258 » by gflem » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:05 pm

Okada wrote:I do find it interesting that the Blazers went from 33-49 to 54-28 in one year with the same 4 man core and I know many of the players said a lot of it had to do with having a 2nd year in Stotts' system and growing chemistry. They did upgrade at center and bolstered the bench, but still. I think there's a lot to be said for an extra year of growing into a new system, a new coach, and growing with your teammates, especially for younger guys. And please don't take this to mean I think the Cavs are going to come within a mile of 54-28 lol.

How close are they going to come in your opinion? I mean, they aren't the same guys as in Portland, but we should expect improvement? Oh, but not the same improvement, so what is your point exctly?
We have seen three seasons (one strike season of 66 games) of TT and Kyrie, and so far the best the team has looked is when Kyrie got hurt after trading for Hawes. Its like you wont even accept that any opinion other than yours has any chance of being correct. I get that they are young, but that doesn't exonerate them of any blame for the lack of effort on way too many nights this season.
There is no real proof to me that either guy really cares about winning on a consistent basis. Of course they are competitors, nobody gets to this level without being a competitor, but the fact that they are the "core", and on too many, let alone any, nights they are disinterested seems to me that they would rather enjoy the benefits of being an NBA player without accepting the responsibility to the team and fans that comes with the benefits. Maybe its just me.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1259 » by Okada » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:42 am

gflem wrote:How close are they going to come in your opinion? I mean, they aren't the same guys as in Portland, but we should expect improvement? Oh, but not the same improvement, so what is your point exctly?
We have seen three seasons (one strike season of 66 games) of TT and Kyrie, and so far the best the team has looked is when Kyrie got hurt after trading for Hawes. Its like you wont even accept that any opinion other than yours has any chance of being correct. I get that they are young, but that doesn't exonerate them of any blame for the lack of effort on way too many nights this season.
There is no real proof to me that either guy really cares about winning on a consistent basis. Of course they are competitors, nobody gets to this level without being a competitor, but the fact that they are the "core", and on too many, let alone any, nights they are disinterested seems to me that they would rather enjoy the benefits of being an NBA player without accepting the responsibility to the team and fans that comes with the benefits. Maybe its just me.


I stated my point very directly, so I don't see what you're missing here. I'll just say the exact same words again - "I think there's a lot to be said for an extra year of growing into a new system, a new coach, and growing with your teammates, especially for younger guys."

If that's when you think then ok, there's nothing I can say about it considering it's your interpretation of body language. I'm not even saying you're wrong, it's just that there's no debating that 'logic.' And I never said youth exonerated them of anything. I didn't say these guys were perfect.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1260 » by Captain_Obvious » Tue May 6, 2014 11:28 am

Hi Dallas fan here,

wondering what it would take to get Varejao to Dallas?

I would put any combination of cap space, picks, Dalembert, our rookie PG on the table - for starts. Do you see any way this could work for both teams?

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