OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

[JDR720]

Albeit far from conventional, MKG has a decent jump shot. MKG also has a confidence issue, whereas he's reluctant & petrified to even attempt a shot outside of the paint these days because of the way he's treated due to his lack of above average offensive skill sets. Anybody that remember the early part of the season remember MKG doing step back midrange jump shots & etc. at a honorable clip

He was shooting at around 40% before he broke his hand

[ball teacher]

Cant have a wing who can't even hit a 13 foot jumper. Hes probably the worst offensive player in the league. Hes going to need to make massive strides this summer

I cant take these arguments serious. This bordering on just plain hating on the guy now.

Not hating at all. Im actually a big fan.

Whens the last time a starting SF in the NBA was completely incapable of hitting a 3 and just as bad fron mid range? He has talent, but its not anyones fault that he cant shoot or create his own shot but the coaches he had growing up, and hes not good enough to build an offense around whatever strengths he has offensively.

When you say MKG is the worst offensive player in the league it's hard for me to believe you when you say you're a big fan. But the issue isnt about him not having a jump shot, there are alot of very good players who didnt have great jumpers. D Wade doesnt even atempt 3 pointers, his whole game is predicated on attacking the rim, look at how his career has gone. My beef is this coach ASSUMES MKG cant help us in the 4th quarter I say had we let him play his game and helped us in the clutch, we wouldve seen how talented he really is. It's a reason he was one of the best high school players in the country, a Mcdonald All American, a college champion who the coach said was the heart of the team, and it's a reason why he was drafted 2nd overall. MKG is a ball player, a very good ball player who knows how to play and help his team win. It's a travesty how we treated this guy this year to the point outsiders assume he's just a bust, no, he's just not properly utilised cause he doesnt fit the system.

And for all the talk about how he has no jumper, he sure does score at a efficient level. It's like another poster commented, there are many ways to score a basketball, it doesnt matter how he scores, it just matters that he scores. And I'm not saying he's a scoring machine, we all know he'll never be a great first scoring option, and we didnt draft him for that, but let's not let this coach make us believe hes a offensive liabilty or some scrub. The guy has game and he should be playing 30 minutes per game, I mean, the team only plays better with him out there, doesnt that matter for anything?

[BeesWax]

I cant take these arguments serious. This bordering on just plain hating on the guy now.

Not hating at all. Im actually a big fan.

Whens the last time a starting SF in the NBA was completely incapable of hitting a 3 and just as bad fron mid range? He has talent, but its not anyones fault that he cant shoot or create his own shot but the coaches he had growing up, and hes not good enough to build an offense around whatever strengths he has offensively.

When you say MKG is the worst offensive player in the league it's hard for me to believe you when you say you're a big fan. But the issue isnt about him not having a jump shot, there are alot of very good players who didnt have great jumpers. D Wade doesnt even atempt 3 pointers, his whole game is predicated on attacking the rim, look at how his career has gone. My beef is this coach ASSUMES MKG cant help us in the 4th quarter I say had we let him play his game and helped us in the clutch, we wouldve seen how talented he really is. It's a reason he was one of the best high school players in the country, a Mcdonald All American, a college champion who the coach said was the heart of the team, and it's a reason why he was drafted 2nd overall. MKG is a ball player, a very good ball player who knows how to play and help his team win. It's a travesty how we treated this guy this year to the point outsiders assume he's just a bust, no, he's just not properly utilised cause he doesnt fit the system.

And for all the talk about how he has no jumper, he sure does score at a efficient level. It's like another poster commented, there are many ways to score a basketball, it doesnt matter how he scores, it just matters that he scores. And I'm not saying he's a scoring machine, we all know he'll never be a great first scoring option, and we didnt draft him for that, but let's not let this coach make us believe hes a offensive liabilty or some scrub. The guy has game and he should be playing 30 minutes per game, I mean, the team only plays better with him out there, doesnt that matter for anything?

I think Clifford needs help in the off season on the offensive side. He has done well with our defense but he has zero flexibility on offense. I think this shows a lot when players get hurt. If anything changes on offense he can't adjust to it. I think he has done a good job but if when Al came out we picked up our speed we would be a much better offensive team.

MKG would be a very good fast paced 3 because of his defense and ability to handle the ball. He has a nice game as he sweeps through the middle and puts up something like a little half hook. If Clifford spends his off season working on his offensive flexibility like the players work on their game we could take a good step forward next season.

[catch20two]

MKG is far from the worst offensive player in the league. I'm almost always confident when he attacks the rim that he'll finish or get fouled (even though he doesn't get many calls).

[ball teacher]

Not hating at all. Im actually a big fan.

Whens the last time a starting SF in the NBA was completely incapable of hitting a 3 and just as bad fron mid range? He has talent, but its not anyones fault that he cant shoot or create his own shot but the coaches he had growing up, and hes not good enough to build an offense around whatever strengths he has offensively.

When you say MKG is the worst offensive player in the league it's hard for me to believe you when you say you're a big fan. But the issue isnt about him not having a jump shot, there are alot of very good players who didnt have great jumpers. D Wade doesnt even atempt 3 pointers, his whole game is predicated on attacking the rim, look at how his career has gone. My beef is this coach ASSUMES MKG cant help us in the 4th quarter I say had we let him play his game and helped us in the clutch, we wouldve seen how talented he really is. It's a reason he was one of the best high school players in the country, a Mcdonald All American, a college champion who the coach said was the heart of the team, and it's a reason why he was drafted 2nd overall. MKG is a ball player, a very good ball player who knows how to play and help his team win. It's a travesty how we treated this guy this year to the point outsiders assume he's just a bust, no, he's just not properly utilised cause he doesnt fit the system.

And for all the talk about how he has no jumper, he sure does score at a efficient level. It's like another poster commented, there are many ways to score a basketball, it doesnt matter how he scores, it just matters that he scores. And I'm not saying he's a scoring machine, we all know he'll never be a great first scoring option, and we didnt draft him for that, but let's not let this coach make us believe hes a offensive liabilty or some scrub. The guy has game and he should be playing 30 minutes per game, I mean, the team only plays better with him out there, doesnt that matter for anything?

I think Clifford needs help in the off season on the offensive side. He has done well with our defense but he has zero flexibility on offense. I think this shows a lot when players get hurt. If anything changes on offense he can't adjust to it. I think he has done a good job but if when Al came out we picked up our speed we would be a much better offensive team.

MKG would be a very good fast paced 3 because of his defense and ability to handle the ball. He has a nice game as he sweeps through the middle and puts up something like a little half hook. If Clifford spends his off season working on his offensive flexibility like the players work on their game we could take a good step forward next season.

Catch20two, I agree with your post you mentioned about being confident mkg scoring inside. I feel the same way, especially when he's on a fast break.

JDM3, I'm not trying to come off as a hater, but what has Cliff done to make us better defensively? I'm honestly asking because I dont see it. Maybe I havent been focusing in enough to notice. But I've always attributed our defense to our perimeter players, their leadership, their influence, their positive behavior, and how they make others wanna follow suit.

We all know MKG hustles, plays hard, and gives 100 percent, and we dont have the locker room cancers like Tyrus or BG anymore, so with a good group of guys like we have, I think they feed off the energy of MKG, and Kemba who even though is small and struggles often with keeping guards in front of him, he is very good team defender by nature. He helps out alot, he hustles, he plays the passing lanes, and this adds to the team defense that we have. Then you add in Hendo, a tough fiesty perimeter player who takes charges, and has no problem playing dirty himself, these are the cornerstones off our defense, theyre also our leaders, so this is who I give credit to for our overall defense improvements. I maybe wrong, but I dont see what Cliff does that caters to defense.

We also have one of the leagues best shot blockers in Biz. I think the only thing Cliff has brought is the demand for floor spacing, ball movement, and perimeter shooting. How can a defensive minded coach say screw defense and go solely for perimeter jump shooting in the final quarter of every game? Again, I might be wrong, but I dont see what he's done to improve our defense.

[JDR720]

We have went from the worst defense 2 years in a row to a top 5 defense and the only major differences are Al and Clifford and im 99% sure Al isn't the reason for that change so it has to be Clifford and his defensive system, but i will agree that its weird he benches our best defender in the 4th for #spacing hopefully he wont do this next season and also MKG is probably the 2nd reason our defense is so good, when he was hurt the defense was pretty average when he is back its top 5 so he is probably the most undervalued member of the team

[BeesWax]

Catch20two, I agree with your post you mentioned about being confident mkg scoring inside. I feel the same way, especially when he's on a fast break.

JDM3, I'm not trying to come off as a hater, but what has Cliff done to make us better defensively? I'm honestly asking because I dont see it. Maybe I havent been focusing in enough to notice. But I've always attributed our defense to our perimeter players, their leadership, their influence, their positive behavior, and how they make others wanna follow suit.

We all know MKG hustles, plays hard, and gives 100 percent, and we dont have the locker room cancers like Tyrus or BG anymore, so with a good group of guys like we have, I think they feed off the energy of MKG, and Kemba who even though is small and struggles often with keeping guards in front of him, he is very good team defender by nature. He helps out alot, he hustles, he plays the passing lanes, and this adds to the team defense that we have. Then you add in Hendo, a tough fiesty perimeter player who takes charges, and has no problem playing dirty himself, these are the cornerstones off our defense, theyre also our leaders, so this is who I give credit to for our overall defense improvements. I maybe wrong, but I dont see what Cliff does that caters to defense.

We also have one of the leagues best shot blockers in Biz. I think the only thing Cliff has brought is the demand for floor spacing, ball movement, and perimeter shooting. How can a defensive minded coach say screw defense and go solely for perimeter jump shooting in the final quarter of every game? Again, I might be wrong, but I dont see what he's done to improve our defense.

What he has done is put our players in position to do well. We added a sloth to our defense this year and have still improved to a top tier D. The fact that we have done so well with our most minutes at the 4 and 5 going to three guys who are not even average individual defenders is amazing. He has worked with McRoberts and Al on positioning and off ball defense and it shows. Both are still not great defenders but much better than they have been in the past.

I am not a fan of his lack of offense but he has rounded this team in to a good defensive unit as a whole.

[ball teacher]

Catch20two, I agree with your post you mentioned about being confident mkg scoring inside. I feel the same way, especially when he's on a fast break.

JDM3, I'm not trying to come off as a hater, but what has Cliff done to make us better defensively? I'm honestly asking because I dont see it. Maybe I havent been focusing in enough to notice. But I've always attributed our defense to our perimeter players, their leadership, their influence, their positive behavior, and how they make others wanna follow suit.

We all know MKG hustles, plays hard, and gives 100 percent, and we dont have the locker room cancers like Tyrus or BG anymore, so with a good group of guys like we have, I think they feed off the energy of MKG, and Kemba who even though is small and struggles often with keeping guards in front of him, he is very good team defender by nature. He helps out alot, he hustles, he plays the passing lanes, and this adds to the team defense that we have. Then you add in Hendo, a tough fiesty perimeter player who takes charges, and has no problem playing dirty himself, these are the cornerstones off our defense, theyre also our leaders, so this is who I give credit to for our overall defense improvements. I maybe wrong, but I dont see what Cliff does that caters to defense.

We also have one of the leagues best shot blockers in Biz. I think the only thing Cliff has brought is the demand for floor spacing, ball movement, and perimeter shooting. How can a defensive minded coach say screw defense and go solely for perimeter jump shooting in the final quarter of every game? Again, I might be wrong, but I dont see what he's done to improve our defense.

What he has done is put our players in position to do well. We added a sloth to our defense this year and have still improved to a top tier D. The fact that we have done so well with our most minutes at the 4 and 5 going to three guys who are not even average individual defenders is amazing. He has worked with McRoberts and Al on positioning and off ball defense and it shows. Both are still not great defenders but much better than they have been in the past.

I am not a fan of his lack of offense but he has rounded this team in to a good defensive unit as a whole.

We have went from the worst defense 2 years in a row to a top 5 defense and the only major differences are Al and Clifford and im 99% sure Al isn't the reason for that change so it has to be Clifford and his defensive system, but i will agree that its weird he benches our best defender in the 4th for #spacing hopefully he wont do this next season and also MKG is probably the 2nd reason our defense is so good, when he was hurt the defense was pretty average when he is back its top 5 so he is probably the most undervalued member of the team

well said guys, then count me as one of those who acknowledges Cliff for helping improve the defense.

[fatlever]

clifford came in preaching two things about defense and he delivered on both.

1). we will not give up transition baskets.
a). clifford absolutely does not tolerate players not getting back on defense.
b). clifford preaches low turnovers to prevent fast break points
c). clifford does not allow anyone but jefferson and mkg to crash the offensive glass. he happily concedes offensive rebounds at the expense of getting back on defense.

result: the cats are among league leaders in fewest fast break points allowed, fewest turnovers and fewest offensive rebounds

2). we will not foul on defense
a). pack the paint, overload the strong side and force teams to shoot jumpers
b). run at shooters on the 3pt line w/out fouling

result: we lead the league in fewest fouls

he had a plan and got the team to follow. the results are clear.

[ball teacher]

clifford came in preaching two things about defense and he delivered on both.

1). we will not give up transition baskets.
a). clifford absolutely does not tolerate players not getting back on defense.
b). clifford preaches low turnovers to prevent fast break points
c). clifford does not allow anyone but jefferson and mkg to crash the offensive glass. he happily concedes offensive rebounds at the expense of getting back on defense.

result: the cats are among league leaders in fewest fast break points allowed, fewest turnovers and fewest offensive rebounds

2). we will not foul on defense
a). pack the paint, overload the strong side and force teams to shoot jumpers
b). run at shooters on the 3pt line w/out fouling

result: we lead the league in fewest fouls

he had a plan and got the team to follow. the results are clear.

OK, I gotta give him his props then. I never heard anything specific about his defensive views before this. He gets respect in that regard from me.

[Radu_Hornets]

Washington vs Chicago 22/04/2014.

Jimmy Butler (24y, 3rd season): 53 minutes (=48+5) --> 6pts --> 2/9 --> 7reb --> 2 ast.

[JDR720]

Washington vs Chicago 22/04/2014.

Jimmy Butler (24y, 3rd season): 53 minutes (=48+5) --> 6pts --> 2/9 --> 7reb --> 2 ast.

But he is somehow a future star and MKG is a bust

[mrknowitall215]

Jimmy Butler play valuable minutes for Chicago without the need to score

I wish Clifford could see MKG the way Thibodeau see Butler

Shooting mechanics aside, I think MKG is a much better player than Butler

I'm not stating that Clifford need to play MKG 48 minutes, but he should be guaranteed 30 minutes per game

[fatlever]

MKG couldnt play 53 minutes w/out fouling out if his life depended on it. thats once difference.

[mrknowitall215]

MKG couldnt play 53 minutes w/out fouling out if his life depended on it. thats once difference.

MKG average 3.5 fouls per 36 minutes. That's 4.7 fouls per 48 minutes. Let's not over exaggerate how prone he is to foul. Either way, if he foul out, he foul out. It's not like he ever play in the 4th quarter anyway

[HornetJail]

MKG couldnt play 53 minutes w/out his coach taking him out if his life depended on it. thats once difference.

fixed

[BeesWax]

MKG couldnt play 36 minutes w/out his coach taking him out if his life depended on it. thats one difference.

fixed

Fixed even more

[JDR720]

MKG couldnt play one whole quarter w/out his coach taking him out if his life depended on it. thats one difference.

fixed

Fixed even more

Fixed even more

[Snidely FC]

Man, my DVR schizzed out and didn't record Game 2 and I am seriously bummed I did not get to see MKG's breakout. Any chance Lamar or someone can put together a vid or MKG's highlights from last night's game would be majorly appreciated.

[catch20two]

Like I've been saying, MKG is capable of these type of games if he's given the minutes which basically mean given the chance.