2014 Official FA Thread

jcsunsfan · Post #581 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:16 pm

scooter_22 wrote:Gambo thinks the Suns should look into Pau Gasol now that it will not cost them a 1st rd pick. He asked Saver about it in a radio interview and Savor said "yes" Gasol is someone the Suns will look into.

To be fair, Sarver said, "Yeah, sure, we would look at all the free agents." It sounded like a "it wouldn't hurt to kick the tires" kind of comment. It sure seems like they are going to go for the best possible FA this summer.

SunsFan1234 · Post #582 » by **SunsFan1234** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:07 am

Suns - Thunder Trade

Suns Get: Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones III

Thunder Get: Channing Frye, Marcus Morris

bigfoot · Post #583 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:08 am

SunsFan1234 wrote:Suns - Thunder Trade

Suns Get: Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones III

Thunder Get: Channing Frye, Marcus Morris

Such a crazy idea that this should almost belong in the trade thread instead of the FA thread. :banghead:

JDLAW · Post #584 » by **JDLAW** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:26 am

SunsFan1234 wrote:Suns - Thunder Trade

Suns Get: Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones III

Thunder Get: Channing Frye, Marcus Morris

We trade two important rotation player for unneeded garbage? Think again.

Post #585 » by **TASTIC** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:37 pm

I know he ends up on the end of a lot of posters, but he's a pro on the court and he can rebound/defend the post for 18-24mins a night, and get spot starts at PF/C, can't believe I'm saying it but for the minimum...Kris Humphries!

JTrain · Post #586 » by **JTrain** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:54 pm

bigfoot wrote:I see a couple options this free agent season depending on who opts out of contracts

Spend $20M on LeBron

JTrain · Post #587 » by **JTrain** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:31 pm

To me, Gasol seems obvious. We have a glaring weakness at center, particularly on the offensive side. When Dragic is tired or on the bench and Green/Frye/Keef are not hot, the half-court offense is brutally stagnant and painful to watch. A post player who can create for himself would be hugely beneficial-- that alone would have saved us from watching double digit leads slip away in a whole bunch of games this season due to that exact situation.

I'm probably missing some dynamic, but it seems by far the best fit. Gasol doesn't seem happy with the Lakers lately. I imagine playing with Dragic would be a huge and welcome difference from playing with Kobe. And just the young and excited energy in Phoenix right now might light a spark in him after a rough season.

Or, he could miss half the season with vertigo and completely f*** the team chemistry. But I think it's worth a shot.

JTrain · Post #588 » by **JTrain** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:19 am

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Post #589 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:26 am

JTrain wrote:To me, Gasol seems obvious. We have a glaring weakness at center, particularly on the offensive side. When Dragic is tired or on the bench and Green/Frye/Keef are not hot, the half-court offense is brutally stagnant and painful to watch. A post player who can create for himself would be hugely beneficial-- that alone would have saved us from watching double digit leads slip away in a whole bunch of games this season due to that exact situation.

I'm probably missing some dynamic, but it seems by far the best fit. Gasol doesn't seem happy with the Lakers lately. I imagine playing with Dragic would be a huge and welcome difference from playing with Kobe. And just the young and excited energy in Phoenix right now might light a spark in him after a rough season.

Or, he could miss half the season with vertigo and completely f*** the team chemistry. But I think it's worth a shot.

Maybe if you want to possibly mess with chemistry and further stunt development of Plumlee and Len and not build slowly. He would be a quick fix in some ways though to interior scoring.

I wouldn't sign him to more than a one year contract though, because I want the clean cap for 2015. I'd still lean toward keeping the cap space to look for opportunities where we can pick up assets for taking expiring contracts so others can create more cap space and let our players fully develop.

DRK · Post #590 » by **DRK** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:17 am

Would rather develop Markieff and Plumlee over the Summer than sign Gasol who would cry if he doesnt get 30Mins a night.

DRK · Post #591 » by **DRK** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:18 am

I've always liked Perkins. I think he gets alot of bad rep, but he's a solid post defender, something we could use in spot minutes off the bench.

I cant remember if he's a FA this season, or an expiring, but I wouldnt object to having him on our team. The guy was integral for the Celtic's playoff run.

Post #592 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:38 pm

JTrain, good post. I absolutely agree, and think Gasol would fix a lot of our problems with scoring on the interior, especially when our jump shooting team players aren't hitting their jump shots. Gasol would not stunt Plumlee's or Len's growth at all, this isn't Pokemon. PF/C is entirely different to develop, look at Aldridge, that man didn't come in the league with the mid-range shot or the post-skills resume that he has. He developed that over the years, and I think if anything, Gasol would just help all our PF/C guys improve that much faster. Plus, in LA, he is getting too many minutes, we could limit him to just 28-30 minutes a night, and keep everyone fresh.

gaspar · Post #593 » by **gaspar** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:59 pm

Our offense is just fine. Honestly, how many games have we lost because we couldn't score? Not too many. The Suns biggest weakness is defense and Pau would make it only worse. Much worse. Not to mention that he's old as dirt, injury prone, doesn't fit our playing style and would cost a fortune. No to Pau!

Puff · Post #594 » by **Puff** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:44 pm

gaspar wrote:Our offense is just fine. Honestly, how many games have we lost because we couldn't score? Not too many. The Suns biggest weakness is defense and Pau would make it only worse. Much worse. Not to mention that he's old as dirt, injury prone, doesn't fit our playing style and would cost a fortune. No to Pau!

I am convinced

I have been on the Gasol bandwagon for a while but have seen the light. We really do not need the nonsense he mutters when he doesn't get his way or his physical problems. He will probably criticize Hornacek's coaching style if he struggles. It surely will not be his fault. He has already committed to his national team this summer even though he struggled to stay on the court for the Lakers the past two seasons. I would think his goal should be to get healthy this summer.

We really need someone like Aaron Gordon that can finish in traffic rebound and place defense. I see him as a young Amare, just better. If we get him and he figures out how to make a jump shot he could be real special.

I think that is the type of player we could use most. I hope we can move up in the draft to get that Aaron or someone like him.

I am also a James Young fan and would take him prior to spending the family fortune on Deng.

JTrain · Post #595 » by **JTrain** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:06 pm

Our overall offensive numbers are good, but the problem comes in the second half. With Dragic tired or on the bench, our offense relies almost solely on jump shooters getting hot. And when we go through periods where the jump shooters aren't hot, we have no way of stopping the bleeding by penetrating, drawing fouls or creating in the post. And our offense looks absolutely worthless for four, five, six minutes at time. And that's enough time to give up big leads or fall behind too much to come back.

When healthy, I don't know that Pau is much if any worse than many or our current players on defense. And 33 is really not old as dirt in today's game. There's no reason to think he can't play at a high level if he gets fully healthy this summer.

Puff · Post #596 » by **Puff** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:09 pm

JTrain wrote:Our overall offensive numbers are good, but the problem comes in the second half. With Dragic tired or on the bench, our offense relies almost solely on jump shooters getting hot. And when we go through periods where the jump shooters aren't hot, we have no way of stopping the bleeding by penetrating, drawing fouls or creating in the post. And our offense looks absolutely worthless for four, five, six minutes at time. And that's enough time to give up big leads or fall behind too much to come back.

When healthy, I don't know that Pau is much if any worse than many or our current players on defense. And 33 is really not old as dirt in today's game. There's no reason to think he can't play at a high level if he gets fully healthy this summer.

Getting healthy in both mind and body is a big question mark in my book.

However he does has some skills that could be handy.

Scutt · Post #597 » by **Scutt** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:24 pm

[quote="JTrain"]Our overall offensive numbers are good, but the problem comes in the second half. With Dragic tired or on the bench, our offense relies almost solely on jump shooters getting hot. And when we go through periods where the jump shooters aren't hot, we have no way of stopping the bleeding by penetrating, drawing fouls or creating in the post. And our offense looks absolutely worthless for four, five, six minutes at time. And that's enough time to give up big leads or fall behind too much to come back. [quote]

Yes we do, his name is Archie Goodwin...

RunDogGun · Post #598 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:40 pm

Scutt wrote:
JTrain wrote:Our overall offensive numbers are good, but the problem comes in the second half. With Dragic tired or on the bench, our offense relies almost solely on jump shooters getting hot. And when we go through periods where the jump shooters aren't hot, we have no way of stopping the bleeding by penetrating, drawing fouls or creating in the post. And our offense looks absolutely worthless for four, five, six minutes at time. And that's enough time to give up big leads or fall behind too much to come back.

Yes we do, his name is Archie Goodwin...

Not exactly true either. Often the real points Archie was getting was off ball movement, where guys found him. There were many shots this season by Archie, where he released the ball while under the basket (with zero chance of it going in) or had that shot blocked.

Now maybe (hopefully) that changes, and he not only controls his drives, and where he releases the ball, but gets better at driving and dishing as well. He is young and I understand we have high hopes for him, but let's not kid ourselves at this point, or underestimate the coaching staff's ability to evaluate their players, which they see every single practice and game.

JTrain · Post #599 » by **JTrain** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:31 pm

I don't deny there is a risk involved. I don't see any slam dunks on the table. But if we can get him for $10 million or less without giving up anything, I think it's a risk worth taking. It sounds like the Knicks can't afford to spend much on him (although I don't know what the exact number would be) so perhaps beating their offer won't be difficult.

It's not something we should rush into, of course, but if him and Horny speak at length about expectations and how he will fit in, and both parties are optimistic and excited, I think it could work out very well. Pau might be ecstatic to be on a playoff team that could very well be a 2 or 3 seed with good health and a little luck. The difference in purpose and cohesion from this year's Lakers team to the Suns would be huge, and I don't think Pau's whiny side would come out much being on a team that was actually making some noise and having fun.

BurningHeart · Post #600 » by **BurningHeart** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:31 pm

Puff wrote:
gaspar wrote:Our offense is just fine. Honestly, how many games have we lost because we couldn't score? Not too many. The Suns biggest weakness is defense and Pau would make it only worse. Much worse. Not to mention that he's old as dirt, injury prone, doesn't fit our playing style and would cost a fortune. No to Pau!

We really need someone like Aaron Gordon that can finish in traffic rebound and place defense. I see him as a young Amare, just better. If we get him and he figures out how to make a jump shot he could be real special.

"A young Amare, just better."

Do you realize how GOOD a young Amare Stoudemire was?!