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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#301 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:30 am

VanDamme wrote:KnickerBonkerz is right though because this guy has been outted as a racist for a long damn time. He's acted on his racist beliefs and was even fined 2.7 Mil for his discriminatory behaviour. (Fine was not league related.)

The league said... meh... as an owner he's great so whatever. (Not my opinion, it's not even a fact, but this is how the league has reacted in the past)


The league doesn't have a mechanism to force someone to sell as far as i know. There have long been rumours that the league has pushed to have him sell for several decades behind the scenes, but Sterling loves being an NBA owner in LA too much.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#302 » by KnickerBonkerz » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:32 am

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KnickerBonkerz wrote:Okay let me rephrase.

The NBA would much much MUCH rather leave Sterling as the owner than have to go out and find a new one just because of some bad press.


No they really wouldn't. Sterling is a terrible owner and has been universally recognized as such by basically everyone in the game. The Clippers were a league wide joke for decades. They wouldn't have to go out and find a new owner. Potential buyers would be lining up for the Clippers. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the league has received calls to see if there's anyway to force Sterling to sell in the wake of his latest debacle.


KnickerBonkerz is right though because this guy has been outted as a racist for a long damn time. He's acted on his racist beliefs and was even fined 2.7 Mil for his discriminatory behaviour. (Fine was not league related.)

The league said... meh... as an owner he's great so whatever. (Not my opinion, it's not even a fact, but this is how the league has reacted in the past)

People don't seem to understand that the process of changing ownership is just one big pain in the ass for the league. They have to go through a rigorous process of making sure the new owner will be suitable ever since that dude bought the Islanders when he didn't have the money to pay for them lol. If they didn't they could end up with someone worse than Sterling, or just someone who is inept at running a franchise and causes problems for the league.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#303 » by VanDamme » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:36 am

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VanDamme wrote:KnickerBonkerz is right though because this guy has been outted as a racist for a long damn time. He's acted on his racist beliefs and was even fined 2.7 Mil for his discriminatory behaviour. (Fine was not league related.)

The league said... meh... as an owner he's great so whatever. (Not my opinion, it's not even a fact, but this is how the league has reacted in the past)


The league doesn't have a mechanism to force someone to sell as far as i know. There have long been rumours that the league has pushed to have him sell for several decades behind the scenes, but Sterling loves being an NBA owner in LA too much.


Yeah. Part of the problem, I agree, there should be a clause that allows the league to act so owners don't tarnish the NBA brand if there isn't such a mechanism already.

That's part of the point, if they really wanted to distance themselves from him they would sue the guy for acting in a way that has hurt the league image (not saying they would be successful, the point is don't make it so cosy for him) there are different ways to do things but it depends on priorities. They could publicly distance themselves from him but instead they brushed it under the rug, as you said.. kept it private. I know nothing about that so I won't pretend to...
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#304 » by -TheDocOfDenial » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:38 am

I wonder how the fans will react. We all know that its been widely known that he is a racist, but this is reaching new levels. I'm really hoping the teams goes to Seattle so we can see OKC vs Seattle. The crowds would be insane.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#305 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:41 am

Is anyone discussing the Adam Silver press conference? He mentioned wanting to understand the "context" of what he heard, as part of his investigation. All the people pissed off today don't care about context. Felt like a slip-up by Silver.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#306 » by DeBrick » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:43 am

J-Roc wrote:Is anyone discussing the Adam Silver press conference? He mentioned wanting to understand the "context" of what he heard, as part of his investigation. All the people pissed off today don't care about context. Felt like a slip-up by Silver.

was it during the Miami Charlotte game? I'm watching all the games today on my PVR so hoping it was during one of them. I know it was at 8:30 right
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#307 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:44 am

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J-Roc wrote:Is anyone discussing the Adam Silver press conference? He mentioned wanting to understand the "context" of what he heard, as part of his investigation. All the people pissed off today don't care about context. Felt like a slip-up by Silver.

was it during the Miami Charlotte game? I'm watching all the games today on my PVR so hoping it was during one of them. I know it was at 8:30 right


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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#308 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:45 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt45cHbudv4[/youtube]
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#309 » by Blast Tyrant » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:45 am

KnickerBonkerz wrote:
VanDamme wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
No they really wouldn't. Sterling is a terrible owner and has been universally recognized as such by basically everyone in the game. The Clippers were a league wide joke for decades. They wouldn't have to go out and find a new owner. Potential buyers would be lining up for the Clippers. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the league has received calls to see if there's anyway to force Sterling to sell in the wake of his latest debacle.


KnickerBonkerz is right though because this guy has been outted as a racist for a long damn time. He's acted on his racist beliefs and was even fined 2.7 Mil for his discriminatory behaviour. (Fine was not league related.)

The league said... meh... as an owner he's great so whatever. (Not my opinion, it's not even a fact, but this is how the league has reacted in the past)

People don't seem to understand that the process of changing ownership is just one big pain in the ass for the league. They have to go through a rigorous process of making sure the new owner will be suitable ever since that dude bought the Islanders when he didn't have the money to pay for them lol. If they didn't they could end up with someone worse than Sterling, or just someone who is inept at running a franchise and causes problems for the league.

Donald Sterling IS inept at running a franchise. Look at his history as an owner.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#310 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:46 am

DeBrick wrote:
J-Roc wrote:Is anyone discussing the Adam Silver press conference? He mentioned wanting to understand the "context" of what he heard, as part of his investigation. All the people pissed off today don't care about context. Felt like a slip-up by Silver.

was it during the Miami Charlotte game? I'm watching all the games today on my PVR so hoping it was during one of them. I know it was at 8:30 right


They played it here on NBA TV Canada. It was supposed to be at 8:30pm, but he only came out at 9pm. He announced that he just found out the old Grizzly owner Michael Heisley died.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#311 » by VanDamme » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:47 am

I saw some posts suggest that he's not racist because he **** a colored girl, or that he employs black athletes/coaches etc. And that racism is hate and if he hated them he wouldn't do these things. This is not true, racism has many faces; some racists want to see others suffer. Some want to deny them civil rights. Some want to kill them. Some distance themselves from them. Some believe in what they were taught through the old version of the US Constitution. That white is the superior race, from this root of racism they will still employ and ****, colored people so long as they remain in the position of power. This is not a recognition of colored people as equals but only another way to exploit them. Unfortunately these people exist.

I didn't read every post so I hope someone else was able to clear that up.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#312 » by pbj » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:48 am

LOL This can't be a real transcript

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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#313 » by G R E Y » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:49 am

Bluu wrote:Adam Silver would have to be a moron to pass up this career/business/legacy opportunity to lynch Donald Sterling at this press conference tonight.

Lynch. Interesting word choice. As it turns out, Silver took a measured response: the league condemns unequivocally the comments heard on the tape, but Silver will not proceed with sanctions unless and until it is proven that it's Sterling. There are things that can be done, and they will be done quickly, but understandably the NBA can't have a knee-jerk reaction that may backfire on the off chance that it's not him or whatever. In the meantime, the league can better prepare a unified owner stance, Silver talks to players so there's no us vs. them developing. People out for blood may not like it, but it's prudent and sets the tone for how things are handled, together, and in a smart way.

It may very well be that the gf is out for revenge, but that's really a non-issue for the matter at hand: did Sterling say what he did? If yes, then severe sanctions.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#314 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:53 am

VanDamme wrote:I saw some posts suggest that he's not racist because he **** a colored girl, or that he employs black athletes/coaches etc. And that racism is hate and if he hated them he wouldn't do these things. This is not true, racism has many faces; some racists want to see others suffer. Some want to deny them civil rights. Some want to kill them. Some distance themselves from them. Some believe in what they were taught through the old version of the US Constitution. That white is the superior race, from this root of racism they will still employ and ****, colored people so long as they remain in the position of power. This is not a recognition of colored people as equals but only another way to exploit them. Unfortunately these people exist.

I didn't read every post so I hope someone else was able to clear that up.


There is one more form of racism. It's where a person wouldn't want their own child to date or marry someone who's of a different colour.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#315 » by Steelo Green » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:56 am

pbj wrote:LOL This can't be a real transcript

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bdgrabinski/status/460120875996426240[/tweet]

That's real?!
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#316 » by G R E Y » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:57 am

J-Roc wrote:Is anyone discussing the Adam Silver press conference? He mentioned wanting to understand the "context" of what he heard, as part of his investigation. All the people pissed off today don't care about context. Felt like a slip-up by Silver.

He also said that the league will impose sanctions after verifying the tape, and that he spoke to players, so it's being faced, not swept under the rug. I thought the context thing was weird too, along with maybe talking to the gf (what?), but I chalk it up to just saying something that all has to do with due diligence rather than an avoidance strategy. We'll see how things progress.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#317 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:57 am

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Bluu wrote:Adam Silver would have to be a moron to pass up this career/business/legacy opportunity to lynch Donald Sterling at this press conference tonight.

Lynch. Interesting word choice. As it turns out, Silver took a measured response: the league condemns unequivocally the comments heard on the tape, but Silver will not proceed with sanctions unless and until it is proven that it's Sterling. There are things that can be done, and they will be done quickly, but understandably the NBA can't have a knee-jerk reaction that may backfire on the off chance that it's not him or whatever. In the meantime, the league can better prepare a unified owner stance, Silver talks to players so there's no us vs. them developing. People out for blood may not like it, but it's prudent and sets the tone for how things are handled, together, and in a smart way.

It may very well be that the gf is out for revenge, but that's really a non-issue for the matter at hand: did Sterling say what he did? If yes, then severe sanctions.


Yeah but did you catch him mention wanting to find out the context of the comments? Also, he already spoke with Sterling about not attending games. So, wasn't it real easy to ask, "Donald, was that you?" And the investigation is done.

Giving a few days means he's giving Sterling a chance to work this out.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#318 » by VanDamme » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:01 am

J-Roc wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:
Bluu wrote:Adam Silver would have to be a moron to pass up this career/business/legacy opportunity to lynch Donald Sterling at this press conference tonight.

Lynch. Interesting word choice. As it turns out, Silver took a measured response: the league condemns unequivocally the comments heard on the tape, but Silver will not proceed with sanctions unless and until it is proven that it's Sterling. There are things that can be done, and they will be done quickly, but understandably the NBA can't have a knee-jerk reaction that may backfire on the off chance that it's not him or whatever. In the meantime, the league can better prepare a unified owner stance, Silver talks to players so there's no us vs. them developing. People out for blood may not like it, but it's prudent and sets the tone for how things are handled, together, and in a smart way.

It may very well be that the gf is out for revenge, but that's really a non-issue for the matter at hand: did Sterling say what he did? If yes, then severe sanctions.


Yeah but did you catch him mention wanting to find out the context of the comments? Also, he already spoke with Sterling about not attending games. So, wasn't it real easy to ask, "Donald, was that you?" And the investigation is done.

Giving a few days means he's giving Sterling a chance to work this out.


I thought I saw earlier in this thread, or maybe somewhere else, where the Clippers have issued a statement as well?

Here it is:
The Los Angeles Clippers have issued a formal response to racist statements allegedly made by Clippers owner Donald Sterling on an audio recording that was reported by TMZ late Friday.
Clippers President Andy Roeser says in the statement that the team does not know if the man recorded is Sterling but that the statements do not reflect Sterling's "views, beliefs or feelings."



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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#319 » by 2pat » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:01 am

J-Roc wrote:
VanDamme wrote:I saw some posts suggest that he's not racist because he **** a colored girl, or that he employs black athletes/coaches etc. And that racism is hate and if he hated them he wouldn't do these things. This is not true, racism has many faces; some racists want to see others suffer. Some want to deny them civil rights. Some want to kill them. Some distance themselves from them. Some believe in what they were taught through the old version of the US Constitution. That white is the superior race, from this root of racism they will still employ and ****, colored people so long as they remain in the position of power. This is not a recognition of colored people as equals but only another way to exploit them. Unfortunately these people exist.

I didn't read every post so I hope someone else was able to clear that up.


There is one more form of racism. It's where a person wouldn't want their own child to date or marry someone who's of a different colour.


I don't think that's racist at all. I think people have a right to have a preference for who they want their kids to marry. If they feel a strong bond to their culture and ethnicity, why wouldn't they want their child and grandkids to remain a part of that group? If I want my son to marry a black girl does that really make me a racist? You may think so, but I most certainly don't.
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Re: Donald Sterling Still a Racist? 

Post#320 » by J-Roc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:02 am

VanDamme wrote:
J-Roc wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:Lynch. Interesting word choice. As it turns out, Silver took a measured response: the league condemns unequivocally the comments heard on the tape, but Silver will not proceed with sanctions unless and until it is proven that it's Sterling. There are things that can be done, and they will be done quickly, but understandably the NBA can't have a knee-jerk reaction that may backfire on the off chance that it's not him or whatever. In the meantime, the league can better prepare a unified owner stance, Silver talks to players so there's no us vs. them developing. People out for blood may not like it, but it's prudent and sets the tone for how things are handled, together, and in a smart way.

It may very well be that the gf is out for revenge, but that's really a non-issue for the matter at hand: did Sterling say what he did? If yes, then severe sanctions.


Yeah but did you catch him mention wanting to find out the context of the comments? Also, he already spoke with Sterling about not attending games. So, wasn't it real easy to ask, "Donald, was that you?" And the investigation is done.

Giving a few days means he's giving Sterling a chance to work this out.


I thought I saw earlier in this thread, or maybe somewhere else, where the Clippers have issued a statement as well?

Here it is:
The Los Angeles Clippers have issued a formal response to racist statements allegedly made by Clippers owner Donald Sterling on an audio recording that was reported by TMZ late Friday.
Clippers President Andy Roeser says in the statement that the team does not know if the man recorded is Sterling but that the statements do not reflect Sterling's "views, beliefs or feelings."



http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... z3032Txm1h


Yeah I guess that's essentially Sterling in denial mode.

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