Officiating in the NBA

[Harold_and_Kumar]

its really hard not to raise a Spockian eyebrow.... even when Ross threw the ball off Pierce that ref hesitated for a full two seconds and it looked like he was initially gonna give it to the Nets. When their first instinct is to favor the Nets you know something must be going on.

And Lowry got fouled at least twice on the last play. Don't know how they missed that

I told my girlfriend the exact same thing. He wanted so bad to give the call to Crooklyn. He literally had to snap himself out of it.

What a crock of **** that game was.

It's not Jack and Devlin warping people's minds, it's bloody obvious. Like c'mon, you'd have to try to make such bad calls at bad times on Toronto.

As a fan of statistics (lol), either we have the worst luck of any team in the league on 50/50 calls, the worst luck only in the games we play, or something else is influencing the result.

It's like you flip a coin for 19 years straight, and it's 80% heads. Sure it's possible that it's random chance, but the odds are overwhelming it isn't. This is my issue. When I watch Bucks games against other big market teams I see the same thing, and I'm in no way cheering for the Bucks. Every 4/5 fifty-fifty calls go the other way.

I'll use the offseason to try and figure out whether I want to invest another season watching this ****. I love basketball and I love my Raptors, but I'm not blindly supporting this. I'll find another basketball league to follow.

To the "oh people are just butthurt and blame the refs when they lose," I've played highly competitive sports my whole life and never once complained about officiating after losing, but this is on another level. You have to try and not notice how bad it is.

Anyways, rant over.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I'm sick of the way these games are called. It's so clear what is going on.

[Mark_83]

A couple blatant calls.

Amir's 3rd foul on Pierce where he didn't even touch him.
The back-to-back block/charge calls that went for the Nets but not the Raptors.
Giving KG the foul that should have gone to DWill when KG didn't even do anything.

[grumpwalter]

Stafford needs to be investigated for this game alone.

I am not one to bitch about the refs, but he stood out to me this afternoon.

he has a history too, did you know that?

Nope, i did not.

But it doesn't surprise me

Read this old article I found and tell me what you think now

http://static.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... 14733.html

[Back2back2back]

One of the plays that was **** obvious was the call non call on Williams late in the game with a couple minutes to go.

Stafford was standing feet away from the play and instead handing out the foul on the correct player in Deron Williams he choose to slap Garnett with it when KG didn't touch Lowry to avoid giving Williams his 6th.

Someone Needs to find a gif of this play.

Yup. That was a big call, and a horrible one at that. Williams clearly fouled Lowry on that play, but the refs decided to give it to Garnett instead.

Amir fouling out on the play was a bad call as well. He fell on JJ. How is that a foul??

The missed offensive foul on Lowry, who was clearly outside the circle.

The no call and technical on DD on the next possession.

BS if you ask me!

[lobosloboslobos]

Anyone who thinks the league was not 100% in favour of wanting the Nets to win is simply naive. Which is a lot of you, I know. But it's just plainly obvious and is entirely typical of how the NBA works.

I don't recall each of the Amir fouls but I know that at a minimum 3 or 4 were completely bogus. And I mean ridiculously bogus. Was it an accident that he fouled out when he was our best player on the night?

Again, keep your blinders on if you like. The evidence that this is how the NBA operates is overwhelming.

The NBA is SOOOOO lucky that the Raps made it close at the end so that the entire fanbase - including tons of new fans - won't spend the summer fuming about the blatant screwery and will instead remember the last shot.

But the NBA is undoubtedly a rigged league.

I'm looking forward to the collection of fouls against Amir from today. Can someone put that together? I think i'll go post it on the Nets board and get banned...

[basketball420]

I am sorry the refs absolutely **** us and I am sick of people who suggest or say otherwise. They did it's about money and ratings and you're a **** fool if you think otherwise

[TCHOKE]

its done.. no point complaining about it, this is just how it is to be a raptors fan
city of toronto just cant get a break, city is dying to cheer for a good team

[thunderforce]

We should demand instant replay and that half of the ref's be from Canada . I am sick of this anti Canadian bias from the ref's we are always getting robbed no matter what other team we play .

[ratul]

worst ref screw job in the history of time

[ecksplicit]

Read this old article I found and tell me what you think now

http://static.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... 14733.html

Or better yet, an excerpt from Tim Donaghy's book.

Of course, Stafford had some friends in the league, too. I worked a Knicks game in Madison Square Garden with him on February 26, 2007. New York shot an astounding 39 free throws that night to Miami's paltry eight. It seemed like Stafford was working for the Knicks, calling fouls on Miami like crazy. Isiah Thomas was coaching the Knicks, and after New York's four-point victory, a guy from the Knicks came to our locker room looking for Stafford, who was in the shower. He told us that Thomas sent him to retrieve Stafford's home address; apparently, Stafford had asked the coach before the game for some autographed sneakers and jerseys for his kids. Suddenly, it all made sense.

[Geddy]

The Lowry block and the charge on Derozan were good calls. Lowry was sliding sideways on that play and Blatche had established position before Derozan made his move.

The calls I thought were bad were the T on Derozan and KG getting foul instead of D Will at the end.


At the end of the day the Raptors played like utter shite for 3 quarters in game 6 and 3 quarters in game 7. There was no defense, no ball movement and no adjustments made by Casey. Blaming the refs is a cop out to make most of us feel better about the loss.

Hopefully Matt and Jack drop the whole bad officiating schtick next season because it is starting to influence this fan base negatively.

[Asif16]

You guy cry so much about officials. That technical they called on Garnett wasn't even a technical, Lowry ran into Garnett and they just automatically called a tech on him.

It was tons of fouls they were calling on the Nets that weren't fouls.

Lowry just runs into people to get calls, LMFAO! That's half of Toronto's offense is running into people and going to the free throw line. If not for the free throw line the Nets woulda won by 10.

And Pierce got called for 5 fouls tons of Nets had 4 and 5 fouls.

And the Raptors shot more free throws then the Nets! Toronto just lost, stop complaining about the freakin refs...

THis guy is in denial. Refs handed you the game.

You should be out celebrating with all 10 of your Brooklyn nets fans

[RedX]

Amir was having such a impact in this critical game 7, and coincidentally fouled out early in the 4th quarter. I'd say my viewpoint that American patriotism will harm the Raptors has been justified. If this game were fairly officiated, the team would be preparing to fly to Miami right now.

Honestly even though Amir had an amazing game it was a bit of a miracle that he fouled out.

2Pat came in and was actually a really good matchup vs JJ. Wish we realized this 6 games ago lol.

[James_Raptors]

I'm not going to get into the ref situation and whether they are/were biased.
But I'm getting sick of the argument that comparing total fouls per team justifies either position pro/con the refs.

Watch the game(s).


For this explanation I will intentionally give you an completely ridiculous scenario.
The Raptors (or whomever they're playing against, for some inexplicable reason decide to intentionally foul every single possession of the game. At the end, we take a look at the stats and each team has the exact same amount of fouls called against them. Does that mean the game was officiated fairly? Of course not. Pretty simple answer, right?

Let's quit looking at the total fouls per team as the be-all way of determining whether the refs are doing their job.Instead, base your/our decision on each individual play, like it should be. I'll even take it a step further. Take a look at the context and timing of the fouls. For example:

-which players are playing hot for a team and get random ghost calls against them
-bad calls to keep the game close
-certain teams getting better/worse calls in the 4th Q and/or the final minutes of the game

and so on...

[grumpwalter]

he should have been fired after that Duncan incident.

I wonder if that 'My Favorite Martian' Look-alike Adam Silver will fine me

[Leonardoh]

He made us think that we had a chance, then took it away from us. He is a bad man.

[makaveli191]

Its easy to blame the refs. As long as the Raps are in this league, in my opinion, they will always be marginalized. Too many conflicts of interests (More eyes in the US, dollars to be made)

The Raps couldn't guard JJ (Fields never saw the floor until the last minute). They would run the exact same iso play, the Raps would always try to trap (because they had no one to guard him straight up), which ended up with a layup or a swing open look three. That was basically their entire offense.

On offense the ball never moved, they would be denied the first option, and it usually ended up with either an iso for DeRozen or Lowry. They hardly ran any post up plays, and the ball never moved enough to create open look threes.

[CarterDUnk16]

A couple blatant calls.

Amir's 3rd foul on Pierce where he didn't even touch him.
The back-to-back block/charge calls that went for the Nets but not the Raptors.
Giving KG the foul that should have gone to DWill when KG didn't even do anything.

This. I didn't have a problem with the other calls even though most of them were BS but those 2 are just inexcusable. The NBA seriously needs to implement a system like the NFL where coaches have 1 chance to fight against a foul/call in the 4th quarter or overtime. D-WIll fouling out would have completely changed the game for us. Sick of this nonsense against our team. Just sick of it.

[Back2back2back]

Anyone who thinks the league was not 100% in favour of wanting the Nets to win is simply naive. Which is a lot of you, I know. But it's just plainly obvious and is entirely typical of how the NBA works.

I don't recall each of the Amir fouls but I know that at a minimum 3 or 4 were completely bogus. And I mean ridiculously bogus. Was it an accident that he fouled out when he was our best player on the night?

Again, keep your blinders on if you like. The evidence that this is how the NBA operates is overwhelming.

The NBA is SOOOOO lucky that the Raps made it close at the end so that the entire fanbase - including tons of new fans - won't spend the summer fuming about the blatant screwery and will instead remember the last shot.

[size=150]But the NBA is undoubtedly a rigged league.[/size]

I'm looking forward to the collection of fouls against Amir from today. Can someone put that together? I think i'll go post it on the Nets board and get banned...

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