'14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4

[M-C-G]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udv_mlTycf0[/youtube]

Looks like a PG to me.

Again, 90% of the highlights you just showed me are of him driving the lane...While there appears to be some flashes of vision, he is a PG in the sense that this guy is a PG (again, based on the limited highlights I have seen, which is not much)

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKTNaoJMIPI[/youtube]

[Badgerlander]

Nice writeup on Damien Inglis over at DX with video. At the very least it looks like you'd be getting a longer, more athletic LRMAM with upside due to his age. He's an ideal stash candidate.

DX has him going forty. If the Bucks pass on him twice in the 2nd round I'll be pissed.

I'd love to come away with Inglis or Stokes with our second 2nd round pick.

[Newz]

So Supreme,

You think that if he hits his upside he'd probably be more of a Scottie Pippen (point forward) than someone like Magic or Penny?

I wouldn't mind him playing the 2 or 3 since he has the size. I do like his vision and handle for his height though. I also do think he has a lightning quick first step that is very impressive... and he has all the tools to be a beast on D if he wants to be.

[theFireBlanket]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udv_mlTycf0[/youtube]

Looks like a PG to me.

Again, 90% of the highlights you just showed me are of him driving the lane...While there appears to be some flashes of vision, he is a PG in the sense that this guy is a PG (again, based on the limited highlights I have seen, which is not much)

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKTNaoJMIPI[/youtube]

I was waiting for a Brandon Knight reference. Just because he drives, doesn't make him comparable to Knight. In the highlights (include a few mistakes) of the Australian School Championships final that I posted, he;s distinctively passing more than trying to score on his own and he's making the right plays (as Supreme wrote of his own take). Doesn't really compare to BK outside of driving and slightly when it comes to athleticism.

[emunney]

Are you saying they're not good enough yet? They need more time?

I'm just saying that basketball wasn't a worldwide sport like it is these days even back in the 90's. Look at how the Dream Team just rolled over everyone because a lot of great athletes from other countries weren't playing basketball. Then post-Dream Team it became far more difficult for the US to win gold (or we didn't win it at all).

More talented people are playing basketball as opposed to other sports overseas now. They are producing more NBA leve players and the NBA is being stocked with more international talent by the year.

I'm just saying that the list won't be that big for any position because it's only a 15-20 year sample... a sample that includes the game just finally developing internationally and only getting more popular.

I guess I'm just saying that Nash and Parker being the only non-US players to make an all-star game wouldn't stop me from taking an international player.

The only guards. You can add Kyrie to the list, also, I suppose.

My point is, the best international PGs don't usually turn into NBA stars. They come from teams where they get to dominate the ball, but come to the states and have to fit into a role. Some manage to do okay. I mean, I Jose Calderon and Dragic are nice, but I'm not using a top 7 lotto pick on them.

And that's the thing with Exum. I've only seen him work on teams where he dominates the ball. Since I don't think he's a PG in the NBA, I don't see a team letting him dominate the ball. Hence my reasoning for him ultimately being a SG, or worse. A PG/SG backup.

I'd bet that the international big men fair better in the NBA than the guards/wings on a whole.

Exum is really only the 2nd top lead guard prospect to play primarily internationally before being drafted. You pointed out guys like Calderon and Dragic -- Calderon wasn't drafted and Dragic was a 2nd rounder. Neither Nash nor Parker were lotto picks. So why Exum?

When he plays against his peers on a global stage, they can't keep him out of the paint. He's not really the most highlight rich kind of player. I don't know if you watched Andre Miller at Utah, but that's who came to mind for me in the U19 last summer. Almost every time down the court, he beats somebody off the dribble. You just take it for granted.

Unlike Miller, he's 6-6 and has an athletic, projectable frame.

[M-C-G]

Supreme, there's more than hope. The kid is legit. Kinda glad this Exum debate started. I haven't watched a ton on him for a few months, but some of the stuff I'm seeing is close to making him #1 on my board. The length he and Giannis would provide would be crazy. If Sanders comes back to form you could have a top 5 defense next year. I'd probably start Middleton and Ersan with them to stretch the floor (if we're trying to win next year).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqCIAEczDug[/youtube]

In this highlight I can definitely see more of the 'slippery finishes' that a guy like Tony Parker is known for...A few of the reverse lay up finishes are very Kobe-esque.

[M-C-G]

I was waiting for a Brandon Knight reference. Just because he drives, doesn't make him comparable to Knight. In the highlights (include a few mistakes) of the Australian School Championships final that I posted, he;s distinctively passing more than trying to score on his own and he's making the right plays (as Supreme wrote of his own take). Doesn't really compare to BK outside of driving and slightly when it comes to athleticism.

I guess time will tell...I definitely won't be disappointed if that is who we take, like I said, I just want to see more of the guy. To me, I just don't know how anyone has seen enough of him to project him as a legit PG in the NBA when he can't dribble with his left hand.

And for what it is worth, I guess you and I will disagree about him being a PG in the mold of Knight -score first, pass second guards, that was the point I was trying to make.

If he is legit to the Tony Parker comparisons, I will love the pick. I just have not seen enough to know how he will stack up against NBA players, especially until that handle tightens up a lot.

[SupremeHustle]

So Supreme,

You think that if he hits his upside he'd probably be more of a Scottie Pippen (point forward) than someone like Magic or Penny?

I wouldn't mind him playing the 2 or 3 since he has the size. I do like his vision and handle for his height though. I also do think he has a lightning quick first step that is very impressive... and he has all the tools to be a beast on D if he wants to be.

Man, that's tough. All I've really seen is offense, so I'll stick with my more athletic Brandon Roy ceiling. See the similarities?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVnfPA2NB3Q[/youtube]

[emunney]

He doesn't have the tightest handle, but he can certainly dribble with both hands.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I've had Exum at #2 at least once this offseason and depending on combine & workouts could go back to #2 over Parker for me. I think Exum is going to be a stud. Exum & Giannis would be a great PG/SF duo for the next decade.

Supreme, there's more than hope. The kid is legit. Kinda glad this Exum debate started. I haven't watched a ton on him for a few months, but some of the stuff I'm seeing is close to making him #1 on my board. The length he and Giannis would provide would be crazy. If Sanders comes back to form you could have a top 5 defense next year. I'd probably start Middleton and Ersan with them to stretch the floor (if we're trying to win next year).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqCIAEczDug[/youtube]

[jakecronus8]

What I love about his passing is not only does he hit the open man, but he hits them in the best possible position to shoot or finish.

Eta: I love when someone gets me in the best position to shoot and finish. (Badum, ting).

[Aaron It Out]

I've been saying all along that I think Exum would be the absolute perfect fit next to Giannis. Have him and Giannis be the primary ball handlers and Knight fits into the lineup pretty nicely too IMO.

[Wooderson]

Figured I would repost this game from the Exum thread we had awhile back. It's NZ so crap competition, but I also think it's fair to say that Exum's teammates aren't world beaters themselves.

Almost off of these passes are in transition, so it doesn't give you a feel for how he runs an offense, but it's another look at his vision/passing ability. From the couple of full games I've watched, Australia's offense really isn't set up for a PG to dominate the ball and create like in the NBA. Very little if any PnR. So I think it's tough to gauge whether Exum has the half-court skills. But the passing ability is there.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ZBEJ1TOhg[/youtube]

5:40
6:30
7:45 (pass)
8:10
10:00
13:42 (pass)
14:40 (pass)
15:50 (pass)
16:38 (pass)
17:00
22:27
24:33 (pass)

[jakecronus8]

I've been saying all along that I think Exum would be the absolute perfect fit next to Giannis. Have him and Giannis be the primary ball handlers and Knight fits into the lineup pretty nicely IMO.

I think

Exum
Middleton
Giannis
Healthy Ersan
Less insane Sanders

With knight as a sixth man, Henson the backup 4/5 is a pretty good team. Dare I say playoffs?

[mlloyd10]

If the new front office is sold on Knight. I could see a Exum/Knight/Giannis/Ilyasova/Sanders starting next year with Middleton/Henson/Wolters off the bench.

[jakecronus8]

Figured I would repost this game from the Exum thread we had awhile back. It's NZ so crap competition, but I also think it's fair to say that Exum's teammates aren't world beaters themselves.

Almost off of these passes are in transition, so it doesn't give you a feel for how he runs an offense, but it's another look at his vision/passing ability. From the couple of full games I've watched, Australia's offense really isn't set up for a PG to dominate the ball and create like in the NBA. Very little if any PnR. So I think it's tough to gauge whether Exum has the half-court skills. But the passing ability is there.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ZBEJ1TOhg[/youtube]

5:40
6:30
7:45 (pass)
8:10
10:00
13:42 (pass)
14:40 (pass)
15:50 (pass)
16:38 (pass)
17:00
22:27
24:33 (pass)

My big takeaway from that vid was holy balls they allow a lot of contact. In the NBA a lot of those plays would be and 1 situations. Love his aggressiveness.

[theFireBlanket]

I've been saying all along that I think Exum would be the absolute perfect fit next to Giannis. Have him and Giannis be the primary ball handlers and Knight fits into the lineup pretty nicely IMO.

I think

Exum
Middleton
Giannis
Healthy Ersan
Less insane Sanders

With knight as a sixth man, Henson the backup 4/5 is a pretty good team. Dare I say playoffs?

You're forgetting super backup Natty Ice. 31st/36th* picks could net interesting players as well if the new GM selects well.

[jakecronus8]

Having Exum would give you a ton of flexibility with he and Giannis being capable of playing/guarding multiple positions.

[jakecronus8]

I've been saying all along that I think Exum would be the absolute perfect fit next to Giannis. Have him and Giannis be the primary ball handlers and Knight fits into the lineup pretty nicely IMO.

I think

Exum
Middleton
Giannis
Healthy Ersan
Less insane Sanders

With knight as a sixth man, Henson the backup 4/5 is a pretty good team. Dare I say playoffs?

You're forgetting super backup Natty Ice. 31st/35th picks could net interesting players as well if the new GM selects well.

As much as I believe this needs to be a multi year tank, if they made the playoffs with that being the main portion of the rotation, I would be elated.

[Newz]

So Supreme,

You think that if he hits his upside he'd probably be more of a Scottie Pippen (point forward) than someone like Magic or Penny?

I wouldn't mind him playing the 2 or 3 since he has the size. I do like his vision and handle for his height though. I also do think he has a lightning quick first step that is very impressive... and he has all the tools to be a beast on D if he wants to be.

Man, that's tough. All I've really seen is offense, so I'll stick with my more athletic Brandon Roy ceiling. See the similarities?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVnfPA2NB3Q[/youtube]

You could definitely convince me of that comparison, seems pretty fair.

The thing is too that if we do take Exum and he is more of a Roy type of guy as opposed to a pure PG... those guys are enough where you don't need a pure PG. Especially when you have another guy like Giannis who can also handle and distribute at the 3.

For what it's worth if Exum turned out to be a Brandon Roy type of player and Giannis turned out to be a legit above average 'point forward' then I would start to gun for a huge, defensive minded guard who can hit the 3 to play the point... even if that player was more of a shooting guard than a point guard. Then just let Exum and Giannis take care of the ball handling and distributing a majority of the time.