'14 Draft Thread - Parker Declares. List your top 4

jakecronus8 · Post #1681 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:19 pm

Going to post this on the trade board as well, but what kind of pick could Knight, Henson, 31 & 36 net us?

mlloyd10 · Post #1682 » by **mlloyd10** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:21 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Going to post this on the trade board as well, but what kind of pick could Knight, Henson, 31 & 36 net us?

Lakers??

Ant then we trade our #1 for #2 and #10 (pipe Dream)

Draft - Exum,Vonleh,Stauskas/Harris/Young

Exum/SG/Giannis/Vonleh/Sanders -

LUKE23 · Post #1683 » by **LUKE23** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:21 pm

It depends if we're arguing stats or actual impact on wins with that 10-20 comment. If you're talking only points per game or something, sure, it's not THAT likely. If you're arguing impact on wins overall, I think it's definitely a strong possibility. But I'm a guy who doesn't see Knight as that valuable to winning games. He'll get OK raw stats at at best average efficiency, but he'll bog down your offense/miss on several easy plays. And while he's touted as a defender, he was REALLY bad in that area this year.

emunney · Post #1684 » by **emunney** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:29 pm

Max Green wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/464451659901304832[/tweet]

****, they think the draft is tomorrow.

jakecronus8 · Post #1685 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:31 pm

emunney wrote:
Max Green wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/464451659901304832[/tweet]

****, they think the draft is tomorrow.

I can see Hammond panacing and waiting by the phone tearing his hair out waiting for agents to call him.

Post #1686 » by **jr lucosa** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:41 pm

If you are willing to turn down something like say pick 21, 26 or whatever your cut off number is, what are you comfortable paying Knight going forward? As a comparison, check out his numbers this year vs 06-07 Mo Williams who got a six year, $51.5 mil contract that off-season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

He showed some positives this year, but his PG play was also a huge reason why we were as bad as we were, and as of right now I wouldn't want to offer him more than half that annually. There's always a team that will overpay for PPGZ, and I don't want us to be that team with Knight.

ETA - Here is his season compared to another young guard who put up 17 & 5 and was then rewarded that off-season with a seven year, 55 mil contract

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

jakecronus8 · Post #1687 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:58 pm

I would trade knight for the best pick regardless. Unless he will agree to give it his all as a spark plug off the bench role and be paid as such (unlikely) he can go. Not going to ever be an above average started at point or 2g

Badgerlander · Post #1688 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:58 pm

emunney wrote:
Max Green wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/464451659901304832[/tweet]

****, they think the draft is tomorrow.

lol, the Jazz worked out Taylor Braun (6-7 Guard, North Dakota St), Akil Mitchell (6-8 Forward, Virginia), Bryce Cotton (6-1 Guard, Providence), Mike Moser (6-8 Forward, Oregon), Stephen Holt (6-4 Guard, St. Mary's), Ronald Roberts Jr. (6-8 Forward, St. Joseph's) yesterday, and Joe Jackson (Memphis), Justin Cobbs (California), Josh Huestis (Stanford), Fuquan Edwin (Seton Hall), Cameron Clark (Oklahoma), Travis Bader (Oakland) today.

http://www.nba.com/jazz/video/2014-draft-workouts

Newz · Post #1689 » by **Newz** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:59 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Going to post this on the trade board as well, but what kind of pick could Knight, Henson, 31 & 36 net us?

If I were a GM I wouldn't even give up a pick in the teens for that combination of poop.

A bench scorer, a mediocre rotational big and two second rounders.

jakecronus8 · Post #1690 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu May 8, 2014 8:04 pm

Newz wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Going to post this on the trade board as well, but what kind of pick could Knight, Henson, 31 & 36 net us?

If I were a GM I wouldn't even give up a pick in the teens for that combination of poop.

A bench scorer, a mediocre rotational big and two second rounders.

All it takes is one in over their head GM.

Eta: disagree Henson is a mediocre rotational big. He's a great rebounder and very good around the basket. Bad defender but good weak side shot blocker. His biggest weakness this year was playing under Drew. With a competent coach and minutes, he would of put up good, albeit somewhat empty, stats this year.

Newz · Post #1691 » by **Newz** » Thu May 8, 2014 8:09 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:All it takes is one in over their head GM.

That I agree with.

Eta: disagree Henson is a mediocre rotational big. He's a great rebounder and very good around the basket. Bad defender but good weak side shot blocker. His biggest weakness this year was playing under Drew. With a competent coach and minutes, he would of put up good, albeit somewhat empty, stats this year.

I don't think Henson is terrible or anything. I actually like that little hook he has offensively, he's solid on the glass and he's long enough to cause some problems on D. But he has a ton of weaknesses in his game that start with a lack of a 15-18 foot jumper that a guy like him is going to need to have if he wants to play the 4. I just don't think you can survive without it since one of your bigs needs to be able to at least space a little these days... and I just don't view him as a good enough defender to play the 5 full time.

He's a decent guy to have on your team, I just don't think he has a ton of value in terms of picks. I feel the same way about Knight. I like him as a bench scorer type guy who can play some D, I just don't think he has a ton of value.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1692 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu May 8, 2014 8:18 pm

I think especially is they lose Thomas that package could make sense to the Kings. Not really sure someone like Smart/Randle/Gordon is that enticing to their current situation, Smart probably more than the others.

Knight / McLemore / Gay / Henson / Boogie

Badgerlander · Post #1693 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu May 8, 2014 8:25 pm

package of Knight+Larry for the Kings #7 pick?

Ersan+#36 for the Suns #18?

Take on Boozer for #16?

Baddy Chuck · Post #1694 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu May 8, 2014 8:29 pm

jr lucosa wrote:If you are willing to turn down something like say pick 21, 26 or whatever your cut off number is, what are you comfortable paying Knight going forward? As a comparison, check out his numbers this year vs 06-07 Mo Williams who got a six year, $51.5 mil contract that off-season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

He showed some positives this year, but his PG play was also a huge reason why we were as bad as we were, and as of right now I wouldn't want to offer him more than half that annually. There's always a team that will overpay for PPGZ, and I don't want us to be that team with Knight.

ETA - Here is his season compared to another young guard who put up 17 & 5 and was then rewarded that off-season with a seven year, 55 mil contract

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

Zeezprah · Post #1695 » by **Zeezprah** » Thu May 8, 2014 8:35 pm

Newz wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Going to post this on the trade board as well, but what kind of pick could Knight, Henson, 31 & 36 net us?

If I were a GM I wouldn't even give up a pick in the teens for that combination of poop.

A bench scorer, a mediocre rotational big and two second rounders.

because there's so many pimps to be found in the teens

i wouldn't even give up henson for a teen pick.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1696 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Thu May 8, 2014 9:00 pm

Who is your bet for the first guy to tell the world he doesn't want to play in Milwaukee?

mchase27 · Post #1697 » by **mchase27** » Thu May 8, 2014 9:07 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Who is your bet for the first guy to tell the world he doesn't want to play in Milwaukee?

Exum.

TroyD92 · Post #1698 » by **TroyD92** » Thu May 8, 2014 9:11 pm

Nobody that matters.

Baddy Chuck · Post #1699 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu May 8, 2014 9:12 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Who is your bet for the first guy to tell the world he doesn't want to play in Milwaukee?

Depends where we are in the draft. At 1-3 I don't think anyone says anything, fall to four and I could see any of them saying it.

Ron Swanson · Post #1700 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu May 8, 2014 9:21 pm

Exum has not so discreetly hinted that he really really wants to play for LA, so I guess of the top 4 prospects, he'd be the most likely. However, I don't think any of the top guys have character red flags, they all want to be the #1 pick.

I think it's a bit of a pride thing. Every guy wants to be viewed as "the best" in their respective classes.

Who's your pick?