Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread - Part Deux

[spree8]

Greg Monroe SCREAMS the triangle. Although, I don't think he's worth MAX money (but neither are a lot of players who get it, nothing against Monroe).

We don't have the money to sign him or the pieces to s&t for him and I'm pretty sure we can't s&t for him because we are a tax team.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Felton THjr for Neal and 1st seems fair for both sides

What # pick are we talking about from Charlotte?

#24. I'd do it. I don't think it makes sense to have both JR and THJ on the team.

[Johnny Hoops]

Felton THjr for Neal and 1st seems fair for both sides

What # pick are we talking about from Charlotte?

#24. I'd do it. I don't think it makes sense to have both JR and THJ on the team.

I wouldn't trade THJ for Neal and a 1st but I might consider.....

THJ/Felton for G-Henderson and a 1st.

I like Henderson as a solid 2-way player, the 1st would be nice (maybe take a shot at my boy S-Dimwiddie from Colorado as a big 2-way PG) and getting rid of Ray's deal would be nice.

However --- would hate to lose potential explosive offensive player/ shooter like Timmy.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Neal expires in 2015. Henderson will be making $6m that year, which is kind of a lot for a wing that can't shoot that well.

[moocow007]

Try to sign a bunch of veterans that can play but that have been squeezed out of the league for one season. They'll be hungry to prove themselves. With (hopefully) a good system in place the Knicks will be successful enough so that the long term pieces will have spent a year learning the system. Then you make a play in 2015 for a star. Do not blow it for any long contracts.

[MasterIchiro]

I wouldn't mind a deal involving THjr as long as you were taking Felton on top of that pick.

If you take Henderson.

Felton THjr for Neal and 1st seems fair for both sides

The deal should favor the team with the leverage and since the Knicks don't have a viable PG, the leverage would be with Charlotte. I think the simplest deal is Hardaway Jr for Shabazz. That's about even. When you dump a long term deal like Felton the deal favors the Knicks and the knicks wouldn't have leverage.

[moocow007]

If you take Henderson.

Felton THjr for Neal and 1st seems fair for both sides

The deal should favor the team with the leverage and since the Knicks don't have a viable PG, the leverage would be with Charlotte. I think the simplest deal is Hardaway Jr for Shabazz. That's about even. When you dump a long term deal like Felton the deal favors the Knicks and the knicks wouldn't have leverage.

While I absolutely agree with the dumping of Felton to be a clear negative...to be quite fair, as much as Napier has generated a buzz this past season, there is a reason why many mocks have him as a late 1st round pick instead of what his college performance (best player on best team) would indicate he should be (i.e. top part of lottery). Napier could turn out to be solid. He could also turn out to be the next Mateen Cleaves. It's not hard to argue that Hardaway Jr was the 5th best rookie this past season and in a redo of last years draft would clearly be a lottery pick.

[MasterIchiro]

Felton THjr for Neal and 1st seems fair for both sides

The deal should favor the team with the leverage and since the Knicks don't have a viable PG, the leverage would be with Charlotte. I think the simplest deal is Hardaway Jr for Shabazz. That's about even. When you dump a long term deal like Felton the deal favors the Knicks and the knicks wouldn't have leverage.

While I absolutely agree with the dumping of Felton to be a clear negative...to be quite fair, as much as Napier has generated a buzz this past season, there is a reason why many mocks have him as a late 1st round pick instead of what his college performance (best player on best team) would indicate he should be (i.e. top part of lottery). Napier could turn out to be solid. He could also turn out to be the next Mateen Cleaves. It's not hard to argue that Hardaway Jr was the 5th best rookie this past season and in a redo of last years draft would clearly be a lottery pick.

Shabazz is a leader - he just led a team through consecutive multiple high stakes games, two of which were played before nearly 20K in MSG. He's played big games 4 years straight now in MSG in the Big East tournament. He rose up from a tough neighborhood and basically dominated college basketball, improving his skills every year and devoting himself to hard work. The UConn program instills this in all their student-athletes.

He's very coachable for the triangle and can pass and hit a deep shot like Hardaway Jr.

You'd be asking him to play more of a support role.

I think he's a perfect fit for the Knicks and a steal.

I've seen some mocks with him at 12 or 17 or 22. This might be all a moot point because he might even reach 24. If he doesn't slip to 24, I wouldn't expect the Knicks to trade Hardaway Jr for pick 24, but if Shabazz is there, the Knicks should go all in and teach Shabazz the triangle from a young age and groom him as a floor general. Just like the Yankees, you need guys with strong character in the NYC market. It takes a special player to make it in NY.

Food for thought.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

I don't think you can get a much higher pick for the THJ + Felton combo.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Hornets fan here.

If we select Shabazz Napier as a backup for Kemba Walker would you be interested in him running your floor with Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson running the triangle?

I want Hardaway Jr.

I'm ok keeping Shabazz as Kemba's backup.

I think he will be one of many steals in this draft. I think he'll have a better career than Ennis, LaVine and possibly Smart, possibly any of the PG's selected before him.

I think his trade value will be high eventually, like Bledsoe.

We would have to take on smith too. I wouldn't mind. At least he would have attempted a 3 in the heat series.
What do you guys want for THjr and Smith.

[spree8]

Hornets fan here.

If we select Shabazz Napier as a backup for Kemba Walker would you be interested in him running your floor with Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson running the triangle?

I want Hardaway Jr.

I'm ok keeping Shabazz as Kemba's backup.

I think he will be one of many steals in this draft. I think he'll have a better career than Ennis, LaVine and possibly Smart, possibly any of the PG's selected before him.

I think his trade value will be high eventually, like Bledsoe.

I wouldn't mind a deal involving THjr as long as you were taking Felton on top of that pick.

If you take Henderson.

We should be looking to shed salary for the 2015 FA period. Hendo would take away 6mil from our space. I also think it's entirely possible to get rid of JR and Ray without giving up TimJr or Iman.

I've seen some Charlotte fans on the TB in favor of taking JR for someone like Neal. A filler would need to be added on your end, but I think it's fair for both sides. Maybe add McBob and NY adds Tyler?

[MasterIchiro]

Hornets fan here.

If we select Shabazz Napier as a backup for Kemba Walker would you be interested in him running your floor with Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson running the triangle?

I want Hardaway Jr.

I'm ok keeping Shabazz as Kemba's backup.

I think he will be one of many steals in this draft. I think he'll have a better career than Ennis, LaVine and possibly Smart, possibly any of the PG's selected before him.

I think his trade value will be high eventually, like Bledsoe.

We would have to take on smith too. I wouldn't mind. At least he would have attempted a 3 in the heat series.
What do you guys want for THjr and Smith.

We only need one SG who can shoot and Hardaway Jr is the guy I'd target for Shabazz. If they want to dump Felton, I'm dumping Henderson. Neal expires, Felton does not and he sucks real bad. I warned my best friend (Knicks fan) he would hate Felton a long time ago. I watched his BS dribbling into traffic one-speed no-skill junk long enough. I warred with other fans arguing DJ Augustin should start. Look at Augustin now. He was always more talented, just his work ethic lagged behind his skill. He was like 20 as a Bobcat.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Not sure THJ for #24 is an even swap. THJ was taken 24 (albeit in a weaker draft) and has vastly outperformed that position. He's more valuable than an unproven #24 pick.

[DowNY]

THJ for anything behind a top 10, maybe 15 pick is pretty stupid.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Hornets fan here.

If we select Shabazz Napier as a backup for Kemba Walker would you be interested in him running your floor with Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson running the triangle?

I want Hardaway Jr.

I'm ok keeping Shabazz as Kemba's backup.

I think he will be one of many steals in this draft. I think he'll have a better career than Ennis, LaVine and possibly Smart, possibly any of the PG's selected before him.

I think his trade value will be high eventually, like Bledsoe.

We would have to take on smith too. I wouldn't mind. At least he would have attempted a 3 in the heat series.
What do you guys want for THjr and Smith.

We only need one SG who can shoot and Hardaway Jr is the guy I'd target for Shabazz. If they want to dump Felton, I'm dumping Henderson. Neal expires, Felton does not and he sucks real bad. I warned my best friend (Knicks fan) he would hate Felton a long time ago. I watched his BS dribbling into traffic one-speed no-skill junk long enough. I warred with other fans arguing DJ Augustin should start. Look at Augustin now. He was always more talented, just his work ethic lagged behind his skill. He was like 20 as a Bobcat.

No we need as many people as we can get that can shoot. I think we can do a three way and get rid of Henderson for a backup big or point guard. I just can't see the Knicks using THjr to dump what 3 million or a little more , so I think taking on Smith is to only way to get him,

[MasterIchiro]

We would have to take on smith too. I wouldn't mind. At least he would have attempted a 3 in the heat series.
What do you guys want for THjr and Smith.

We only need one SG who can shoot and Hardaway Jr is the guy I'd target for Shabazz. If they want to dump Felton, I'm dumping Henderson. Neal expires, Felton does not and he sucks real bad. I warned my best friend (Knicks fan) he would hate Felton a long time ago. I watched his BS dribbling into traffic one-speed no-skill junk long enough. I warred with other fans arguing DJ Augustin should start. Look at Augustin now. He was always more talented, just his work ethic lagged behind his skill. He was like 20 as a Bobcat.

No we need as many people as we can get that can shoot. I think we can do a three way and get rid of Henderson for a backup big or point guard. I just can't see the Knicks using THjr to dump what 3 million or a little more , so I think taking on Smith is to only way to get him,

I'd do

Shabazz (or pick 24)
Henderson

for

JR Smith
Tim Hardaway JR

The money is about even.

Again, the simplest deal is Shabazz (if he's there at 24) straight up for Hardaway Jr. I guess they can dump JR Smith and keep Felton while playing Shumpert at SG.

[moocow007]

The deal should favor the team with the leverage and since the Knicks don't have a viable PG, the leverage would be with Charlotte. I think the simplest deal is Hardaway Jr for Shabazz. That's about even. When you dump a long term deal like Felton the deal favors the Knicks and the knicks wouldn't have leverage.

While I absolutely agree with the dumping of Felton to be a clear negative...to be quite fair, as much as Napier has generated a buzz this past season, there is a reason why many mocks have him as a late 1st round pick instead of what his college performance (best player on best team) would indicate he should be (i.e. top part of lottery). Napier could turn out to be solid. He could also turn out to be the next Mateen Cleaves. It's not hard to argue that Hardaway Jr was the 5th best rookie this past season and in a redo of last years draft would clearly be a lottery pick.

Shabazz is a leader - he just led a team through consecutive multiple high stakes games, two of which were played before nearly 20K in MSG. He's played big games 4 years straight now in MSG in the Big East tournament. He rose up from a tough neighborhood and basically dominated college basketball, improving his skills every year and devoting himself to hard work. The UConn program instills this in all their student-athletes.

He's very coachable for the triangle and can pass and hit a deep shot like Hardaway Jr.

You'd be asking him to play more of a support role.

I think he's a perfect fit for the Knicks and a steal.

I've seen some mocks with him at 12 or 17 or 22. This might be all a moot point because he might even reach 24. If he doesn't slip to 24, I wouldn't expect the Knicks to trade Hardaway Jr for pick 24, but if Shabazz is there, the Knicks should go all in and teach Shabazz the triangle from a young age and groom him as a floor general. Just like the Yankees, you need guys with strong character in the NYC market. It takes a special player to make it in NY.

Food for thought.

True...but it's also clear that Hardaway would be an absolute perfect fit with Kemba and Big Al and would fill the biggest weakness the Cats had this past season...shooting. Add Hardaway's shooting, to Walkers ability to drive and Jefferson's post game and that's one heck of a dynamic trio. Young shooters like Hardaway on rookie contracts aren't floating around to be plucked since every team seems to be shifting towards being able to spread the floor and make outside shots. Napier, again, at the end of the day, is an unknown...and being an unknown has negative value.

[MasterIchiro]

While I absolutely agree with the dumping of Felton to be a clear negative...to be quite fair, as much as Napier has generated a buzz this past season, there is a reason why many mocks have him as a late 1st round pick instead of what his college performance (best player on best team) would indicate he should be (i.e. top part of lottery). Napier could turn out to be solid. He could also turn out to be the next Mateen Cleaves. It's not hard to argue that Hardaway Jr was the 5th best rookie this past season and in a redo of last years draft would clearly be a lottery pick.

Shabazz is a leader - he just led a team through consecutive multiple high stakes games, two of which were played before nearly 20K in MSG. He's played big games 4 years straight now in MSG in the Big East tournament. He rose up from a tough neighborhood and basically dominated college basketball, improving his skills every year and devoting himself to hard work. The UConn program instills this in all their student-athletes.

He's very coachable for the triangle and can pass and hit a deep shot like Hardaway Jr.

You'd be asking him to play more of a support role.

I think he's a perfect fit for the Knicks and a steal.

I've seen some mocks with him at 12 or 17 or 22. This might be all a moot point because he might even reach 24. If he doesn't slip to 24, I wouldn't expect the Knicks to trade Hardaway Jr for pick 24, but if Shabazz is there, the Knicks should go all in and teach Shabazz the triangle from a young age and groom him as a floor general. Just like the Yankees, you need guys with strong character in the NYC market. It takes a special player to make it in NY.

Food for thought.

True...but it's also clear that Hardaway would be an absolute perfect fit with Kemba and Big Al and would fill the biggest weakness the Cats had this past season...shooting. Add Hardaway's shooting, to Walkers ability to drive and Jefferson's post game and that's one heck of a dynamic trio. Young shooters like Hardaway on rookie contracts aren't floating around to be plucked since every team seems to be shifting towards being able to spread the floor and make outside shots. Napier, again, at the end of the day, is an unknown...and being an unknown has negative value.

Players were easier to project back in the day because the sample size was much larger - most completed 3-4 years and rarely came out as sophomores, hardly ever as freshman. Shabazz is less an unknown than a typical draftee being a senior and having ample exposure and being battle tested.

I agree 100% Hardaway Jr is a perfect fit next to Big Al and Kemba and the rookie contract really benefits us because it leaves the remaining balance of our cap space to apply to SF or PF or C after Big Al's contract ends.

I like Kemba + Hardaway Jr. as a dynamic duo in the back court. Also Richard Cho is big on character guys and it seems Hardaway Jr. is a standup guy. I don't think he'd want to absorb Felton (wife beater) or JR Smith (thug).

The Knicks really must improve the PG position and they pretty much have to maneuver without the luxury of cap space. I think Hardaway Jr is expendable with Shumpert there and Smith unmovable. NYK don't really have a whole lot of options upgrading PG.

I really feel PG play in NY hurt the team more than anything. Injuries too. When you guys get healthy and get a legit PG you'll be right up there with the Nets. Everything went wrong for the Knicks on the floor - shows lack of leadership and weakness at a pivotal position like PG.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

The Knicks are not going to make a panic trade for a rookie PG. Napier is not going to fix the team's PG issues this season, and by next season we'll have many more options at PG. I would do the trade but only if we're getting fair value, i.e. dumping Felton.

[Greenie]

Felton THjr for Neal and 1st seems fair for both sides

What # pick are we talking about from Charlotte?

#24. I'd do it. I don't think it makes sense to have both JR and THJ on the team.

They can have Felton and JR instead. Give those two away for anything.

Go home Raymond.

Move Timmy or Shump(or both) at the deadline depending on who's decided to work on their game.