Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

Turk Nowitzki · Post #321 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:47 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Age has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Ron Swanson wrote:The fact that he's only 19 just makes the potential all the more enticing.

So age has something to do with it?

On_Wisconsin · Post #322 » by **On_Wisconsin** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:49 pm

I think that Embiid is going to be the clear pick for Cleveland on draft day. I think then that Hammond is going to take Wiggins. If we can move Knight for anything 10-20 it's a done deal for me. I'd throw in 36 or 48 to make it happen too. I take any deal for Ersan involving a first, and if necessary I'd take an expiring back as well. Target guys like Bogdanovic, Payne, Payton, Adams, Micic, and build from there.

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Ill-yasova · Post #323 » by **Ill-yasova** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:58 pm

crkone wrote:
Ill-yasova wrote:
crkone wrote:About 5 times over the past 3 days but no one has really been discussing it. I'd encourage more people to post it until it is acknowledged. Good breakdown that shows that Embiid was pretty average against fringe NBA bigs.

Incredibly irrelevant video. You draft him knowing that he has elite size, quickness, and basketball IQ for the position and that he is still very early in his development.

I can show you video's of Exum's questionable vertical and shooting, or Parker's defense, or Wiggin's ballhandling but it all means nothing. You're not drafting the 19 year old college kid, your drafting what you hope they'll develop into a few years down the road (re-read this line in a Don Draper voice for fun). If Embiid is healthy I believe his ceiling blows away everyone else.

Everything is relevant in researching draft picks. I'm sure the Bucks aren't looking at every one of Embiid's games and are instead throwing darts at a board.

Well it is John Hammond

. But my point was that they are putting more weight on skill, abilities, and overall potential than on the results of a few games during one season. I laid that out in the last post so I'm not sure where the "throwing darts at a board" comment is coming from.

Ron Swanson · Post #324 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:59 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Age has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Ron Swanson wrote:The fact that he's only 19 just makes the potential all the more enticing.

So age has something to do with it?

Age matters when gauging a player's growth rate, not when comparing two players ceilings'. I would view Jabari Parker the exact same if he was 21 years old, why?

Because his game doesn't project to improve as much as Wiggins' with age, and he has a much greater chance of being the same player he is now than an equal prospect with greater potential/physical tools.

raysbookclub · Post #325 » by **raysbookclub** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:00 pm

On_Wisconsin wrote:I think that Embiid is going to be the clear pick for Cleveland on draft day.

Yeah, you gotta think so. Unless his back is an issue (in which case he'd drop more than one spot), he's the guy to get--a 7-footer who's smart offensively and already has good defensive skills, with rare agility. Plus, if there's even a hint of possibility that Lebron comes to the Cavs, you're not going to increase that possibility by offering him a front court of 32-year-old Verajao, Anthony Bennett, and Zeller.

bullox · Post #326 » by **bullox** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:03 pm

Newz wrote: His question mark, IMO, is his health... and I really could care less about that.

Famous last words.

Wise1 · Post #327 » by **Wise1** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:09 pm

I've said all along that Embiid and Parker are 1 and 2 on the Bucks board. I think Embiid and Parker will go 1 and 2 in the draft. At best, I see Wiggins going 3rd to Philly. I don't see the Bucks taking Wiggins over Parker. I really don't. Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market. He's the Grant Hill type face that every organization wants to stand behind. He makes the most sense for Milwaukee all things considered. This is a business and our new owners will likely consider marketability if all other things are equal.

I'll be watching to see if Wiggins slides past Philly (Exum) and down to Orlando. Perhaps Philly is in love with Wiggins and he is their #1 target. Hmmf. If Exum blows Philly away in a workout and Wiggins underperforms, who knows. I personally take Wiggins in that scenario because the defense will translate. Still uncertain about Exum.

Chapter29 · Post #328 » by **Chapter29** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:17 pm

Great. Lets take the most NBA ready guy who wont be a star.

LUKE23 · Post #329 » by **LUKE23** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:20 pm

Wise1 wrote:I've said all along that Embiid and Parker are 1 and 2 on the Bucks board. I think Embiid and Parker will go 1 and 2 in the draft. At best, I see Wiggins going 3rd to Philly. I don't see the Bucks taking Wiggins over Parker. I really don't. Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market. He's the Grant Hill type face that every organization wants to stand behind. He makes the most sense for Milwaukee all things considered. This is a business and our new owners will likely consider marketability if all other things are equal.

I'll be watching to see if Wiggins slides past Philly (Exum) and down to Orlando. Perhaps Philly is in love with Wiggins and he is their #1 target. Hmmf. If Exum blows Philly away in a workout and Wiggins underperforms, who knows. I personally take Wiggins in that scenario because the defense will translate. Still uncertain about Exum.

I know that is what you're hoping for, but I'm wagering strongly that isn't what happens. If the Cavs go Embiid, get ready for Wiggins in a Bucks uniform.

jakecronus8 · Post #330 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:21 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
Wise1 wrote:I've said all along that Embiid and Parker are 1 and 2 on the Bucks board. I think Embiid and Parker will go 1 and 2 in the draft. At best, I see Wiggins going 3rd to Philly. I don't see the Bucks taking Wiggins over Parker. I really don't. Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market. He's the Grant Hill type face that every organization wants to stand behind. He makes the most sense for Milwaukee all things considered. This is a business and our new owners will likely consider marketability if all other things are equal.

I'll be watching to see if Wiggins slides past Philly (Exum) and down to Orlando. Perhaps Philly is in love with Wiggins and he is their #1 target. Hmmf. If Exum blows Philly away in a workout and Wiggins underperforms, who knows. I personally take Wiggins in that scenario because the defense will translate. Still uncertain about Exum.

I know that is what you're hoping for, but I'm wagering strongly that isn't what happens. If the Cavs go Embiid, get ready for Wiggins in a Bucks uniform.

Yep. Given Hammond's track record, I'd bet his top 3 are Wiggins, Embiid, Exum, and wouldn't be shocked if Exum is number two.

bullox · Post #331 » by **bullox** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:23 pm

Wise1 wrote:Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market.

I mentioned this a couple days ago also. I'm not sure how much Parker cares about being close to home, but if it matters to him at all it's a pretty big deal. Thinking long term, the Bucks probably aren't winning anything of note during any of these incoming rookie's first contracts. If you can get any of them to stick around for that second contract it makes a huge difference.

That's down the list a bit as far as why I prefer Parker, but it is worth considering.

trwi7 · Post #332 » by **trwi7** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:24 pm

Wise1 wrote:Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market.

Come on. People in the Chicago area aren't going to be like "oh Parker is a Buck. I'm totally a fan now!" The new owners need to market the team to this state. Mainly Madison the Fox Valley and Green Bay. They can still market to the Chicago area as a place to watch NBA basketball for much lower prices than the Bulls.

The absolute worst thing they could do is pick a player based on where he's from (especially since he's not even from here!) if they don't think that player is the best prospect.

jakecronus8 · Post #333 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:24 pm

bullox wrote:
Wise1 wrote:Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market.

I mentioned this a couple days ago also. I'm not sure how much Parker cares about being close to home, but if it matters to him at all it's a pretty big deal. Thinking long term, the Bucks probably aren't winning anything of note during any of these incoming rookie's first contracts. If you can get any of them to stick around for that second contract it makes a huge difference.

That's down the list a bit as far as why I prefer Parker, but it is worth considering.

I really don't think Parker being from Chicago taps into that market much. DRose is their golden boy.

LUKE23 · Post #334 » by **LUKE23** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:24 pm

Yeah, Hammond's MO is athleticism and upside. Harris is the only guy that really fit the "polished skill" category, and he went #19. I'll be pretty surprised if we take Parker at #2. I know nothing is in stone, but it will greatly surprise me if we go that route.

SupremeHustle · Post #335 » by **SupremeHustle** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:33 pm

Good stuff on Parker.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/5/22/5 ... draft-2014

Max Green · Post #336 » by **Max Green** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:34 pm

Hammond has been claiming for a while now that he wanted an athletic wing that can play above the rim so I think he would take Wiggins over Parker. I wouldn't be surprised if he took Parker or Exum either. No doubt in my mind he's taking who he and his staff believe is BPA at #2.

Post #337 » by **jr lucosa** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:36 pm

bullox wrote:
Wise1 wrote:Parker has the added allure of being able to tap into the Chicago market.

I mentioned this a couple days ago also. I'm not sure how much Parker cares about being close to home, but if it matters to him at all it's a pretty big deal. Thinking long term, the Bucks probably aren't winning anything of note during any of these incoming rookie's first contracts. If you can get any of them to stick around for that second contract it makes a huge difference.

That's down the list a bit as far as why I prefer Parker, but it is worth considering.

Do you think any of these guys would want out so bad they'd risk playing on the QO over a big money multi year deal? Because if not, as RFA's, it really won't matter if they want to stay or not.

bullox · Post #338 » by **bullox** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:39 pm

I'd hope not with the new ownership, but we did see a player threaten to do just that not very long ago. Good riddance either way in that case, but it's not completely out of the question.

Max Green · Post #339 » by **Max Green** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:46 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Good stuff on Parker.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/5/22/5 ... draft-2014

To his credit, Parker played out of position at Duke. He can play power forward in small lineups, but he will need to play alongside a shot blocker. Duke tried playing him at center for stretches; an NBA team won't do that. Parker's defense is why Andrew Wiggins is ahead of him on our big board.

But his defense isn't broken: Parker is quicker laterally than he's given credit for, and he can stay in front of his man when he's engaged. He just needs to be locked in more often.

Players with Parker's size and skill are rare. In the NBA, he'll be able to play power forward in smaller, hybrid lineups, just like LeBron James and Kevin Durant. But he'll also play on the wing. His main issues -- shot selection and defensive effort -- are both fixable under the right coach.

Good article. I've made some of the same observations regarding his game. I think he can definitely guard NBA Small Forwards.

askdavescat · Post #340 » by **askdavescat** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:58 pm

I haven't seen Parker play, I just read the Draft Express / Draft Net stuff, as well as everything here in RealGM. Just an honest question here, not trying to stir any ****....

It's seems to be a general consensus that offensively Parker is quite advanced offensively, that he can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim, as well as create space on his own to get his jump shot off. That's my understanding anyways. It also seems to be a general consensus that he at best will be an average defender, that he's not quick twitch enough - doesn't have the lateral quickness - to stay in front of the quicker SF's in the NBA.

So, if he's not particularly quick, why is everyone so confident that once he's in the NBA, he'll be quick enough to create space for himself, or beat his defender and drive to the rim?