Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[TroyD92]

I honestly don't know which one I like more. Embiid could be a monster....he looks to have it all. Wiggins...6-8 kid who can move like a Gazelle and will only get better. Parker...also 6-8 but a thick 6-8...can score...flat out score. Both Wiggins and Parker have big wingspans...over 7 feet.

If you take Embiid...he's a #4/5...Parker...Likely a #4 and Wiggins and #3. All fit....making Ersan tradebait IMHO.

Would Houston take him for their 1st rounder? I really want another PG.

If you want to pigeon hole positions Wiggins is clearly a 2.

Wow...he would be a long #2...Nice! He is big enough to play #3 though.

Absolutely I was just talking in terms of fit on this team. I think he could easily play the 2 or 3.

[th87]

Wow, within a span of 24 hours, I went from being ecstatic about the 2 spot, to being depressed about missing out on Embiid.

Joy turning to ashes in my mouth.

We have the #2 pick in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. These kids have so much growing up to do, basketball to play, workouts to complete, injuries to get thru, that they're hardly even close to their finished product.

It would be nice if we could possess a crystal ball and see what the future holds, but let's not act like it's Embiid and a bunch of scrubs. We're going to have a chance at getting a very, very good player.

Very true. You never know.

[Licensed to Il]

While we are on the topic of Wiggins becoming a likely 2 guard, I think it is pretty obvious that (offensively) Jabari Parker is a prototype 3: a classic, iso, powerful wing scorer in the mold of Carmello Anthony or Bernard King. I understand coach K played him at center, and that he is a good rebounder and you want to keep those guys close to the basket, and that he was pudgy and a poor perimeter defender. But whoever drafts Jabari is going to be getting an elite scorer who can shoot off screens and pin downs, create off the dribble, and play out of the post. Generally a do it all small forward (on the offensive end). Sure defense will be an adventure when he has to guard those types. But for everyone calling him a tweener, I hate that label. On offense he is a prototype 3.

[Zeezprah]

While we are on the topic of Wiggins becoming a likely 2 guard, I think it is pretty obvious that (offensively) Jabari Parker is a prototype 3: a classic, iso, powerful wing scorer in the mold of Carmello Anthony or Bernard King. I understand coach K played him at center, and that he is a good rebounder and you want to keep those guys close to the basket, and that he was pudgy and a poor perimeter defender. But whoever drafts Jabari is going to be getting an elite scorer who can shoot off screens and pin downs, create off the dribble, and play out of the post. Generally a do it all small forward (on the offensive end). Sure defense will be an adventure when he has to guard those types. But for everyone calling him a tweener, I hate that label. On offense he is a prototype 3.

offense isn't the end of the floor position matters

it's defensively. and if he wants to play a 3, he's going to have to cut up, no doubt about it.

[cinematographer]

Problem with prototypes is they came about when the game was played differently.

[pilprin]

I know everyone love Giannis, but regardless...you have to take the best talent and worry about adjustments later. I feel that way about every player on the roster. All are replaceable.

[El Pooch Grande]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q09bqfSw9Lo[/youtube]

average athlete my ass

[craig]

Scouting reports on Wiggins & Parkers

Wiggins - http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/5/20/5 ... draft-2014

Parker - http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/5/22/5 ... draft-2014

Thanks, those are good reports. I think we're going to be very happy with whichever one we take. Two very talented players who should enjoy very productive NBA careers.

[Finn]

Simmons is a hack.

Spondylolisthesis sounds ****** up.

Very late to the party. I'm no NBA prospect, rather a short,fat engineer. But I do have a "spondy". It's no fun. Haven't had normal feeling in my left foot for over 5 years. Periodic back pain & sciatica. Not a candidate for a surgical correction due to some other unrelated medical issues. Unless the Bucks have a top notch orthopedic guy take a look at Embiid, I pass.

[randy84]

I guarantee that Kwame could do everything that Embiid did in that video. I would imagine that a whole lot of other busts could too. The thing that sets Embiid apart in my eyes from other great physical specimens are that he has a body of work (albeit just one year) in a good conference where he displayed touch, finesse, and incredible improvement. I find Embiid super impressive. But not based off of dunking in the paint with no defenders. That doesn't really distinguish him from any other high end prospect.

Wiggins is closer to Kwame than Embiid is.

Kwame had questions about his motivation and work ethic. His athleticism was never questioned.

Who does that sound like?

[Ayt]

Simmons is a hack.

Spondylolisthesis sounds ****** up.

Very late to the party. I'm no NBA prospect, rather a short,fat engineer. But I do have a "spondy". It's no fun. Haven't had normal feeling in my left foot for over 5 years. Periodic back pain & sciatica. Not a candidate for a surgical correction due to some other unrelated medical issues. Unless the Bucks have a top notch orthopedic guy take a look at Embiid, I pass.

I was diagnosed with spondylolisthesis in college. I have stretches I do basically everyday to take care of it for the most part. I've done physical therapy a couple different times for it over the years. I also have have issues with tightness, pain, and sciatica at times if I'm not diligent about it. Even right now while I'm typing this I'm aware of a vague sense of numbness down my right side from my lower back down to my toes which I think I've learned to just block out a lot of the time (or just accept as normal). My right hip in particular can get really tight which can lead to all sorts of other issues if I don't stretch it out. My hamstrings are basically permanently tight. I definitely favor putting my weight on my left leg when I'm just standing around because that seems to be my good side, so to speak.

Mine injury came from football. I wish I never would have played that **** sport since my favorite sports to play were always baseball and basketball anyway. I basically bowed to peer pressure and decided to play and ended up **** up my back permanently because of it.

I've never looked into surgery, but I probably should. It is a constant annoyance.

[DanoMac]

I guarantee that Kwame could do everything that Embiid did in that video. I would imagine that a whole lot of other busts could too. The thing that sets Embiid apart in my eyes from other great physical specimens are that he has a body of work (albeit just one year) in a good conference where he displayed touch, finesse, and incredible improvement. I find Embiid super impressive. But not based off of dunking in the paint with no defenders. That doesn't really distinguish him from any other high end prospect.

Wiggins is closer to Kwame than Embiid is.

Kwame had questions about his motivation and work ethic. His athleticism was never questioned.

Who does that sound like?

That "Wiggins is closer to Kwame than Embiid is" makes no sense at all. None.

When has Wiggins motivation and work ethic ever been questioned? Those 2 things are much different than lacking aggressiveness, which, I think is greatly overblown.

[randy84]

I guarantee that Kwame could do everything that Embiid did in that video. I would imagine that a whole lot of other busts could too. The thing that sets Embiid apart in my eyes from other great physical specimens are that he has a body of work (albeit just one year) in a good conference where he displayed touch, finesse, and incredible improvement. I find Embiid super impressive. But not based off of dunking in the paint with no defenders. That doesn't really distinguish him from any other high end prospect.

Wiggins is closer to Kwame than Embiid is.

Kwame had questions about his motivation and work ethic. His athleticism was never questioned.

Who does that sound like?

That "Wiggins is closer to Kwame than Embiid is" makes no sense at all. None.

When has Wiggins motivation and work ethic ever been questioned? Those 2 things are much different than lacking aggressiveness, which, I think is greatly overblown.

Wiggins himself said he is not as motivated against lesser opponents.

[Baddy Chuck]

Wiggins himself said he is not as motivated against lesser opponents.

Would love to see that quote.

Edit - Think I found it, and I'd have to imagine his opinion has changed from the time his high school team was beating up teams by 50 points to now.

[drew881]

Wiggins himself said he is not as motivated against lesser opponents.

Would love to see that quote.

Edit - Think I found it, and I'd have to imagine his opinion has changed from the time his high school team was beating up teams by 50 points to now.

Plus he won't have the problem of lesser opponents if he is on the Bucks!

[tonyreyes123]

I'm starting to warm up on Parker for this Bucks team. Wiggins has the highest chance of being a bust imo.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I'm playing catch up in this thread, but I totally see the similarities in Embiid and Ewing. I think that's the best comparison I've seen. The dunks in the video below are very reminiscent of the types of dunks Embiid throws down. They both have better shots than you'd expect as well. I haven't seen Ewing highlights in forever, hard to believe that dude never broke through and won a championship. I also long for the days of 5-8 legit hall of fame centers playing in the NBA at the same time.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgI0YCVse9U[/youtube]

[randy84]

Wiggins himself said he is not as motivated against lesser opponents.

Would love to see that quote.

Edit - Think I found it, and I'd have to imagine his opinion has changed from the time his high school team was beating up teams by 50 points to now.

Possibly. All I said was that the questions that surrounded Kwame Brown coming out of high school are the same questions people had about Wiggins coming out of high school.

Doesn't mean they are the same player. Doesn't mean they will turn out the same.

But to compare the questions about Embiid to Brown makes way less sense than comparing Wiggins to Brown.

The question with Embiid is physical, his back. The question with Parker is athleticism. The question with Wiggins is his motivation.

If one of these guys bust, it will be because of these questions.

[drew881]

I'm playing catch up in this thread, but I totally see the similarities in Embiid and Ewing. I think that's the best comparison I've seen. The dunks in the video below are very reminiscent of the types of dunks Embiid throws down. They both have better shots than you'd expect as well. I haven't seen Ewing highlights in forever, hard to believe that dude never broke through and won a championship. I also long for the days of 5-8 legit hall of fame centers playing in the NBA at the same time.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgI0YCVse9U[/youtube]

Yep, I just posted the same video 3 pages back. It isn't just that they dunk the same way, but also how they move and jump. They don't really jump UP, but move float horizontally in the paint when they make their moves toward the rim.

[Be Here Now]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the "anonymous scouts" in RR's column are philly guys. Trashing wiggins in hopes the bucks pass on him. They're basically on the same tier of Prospects in IMO. Doesn't make any sense that they'd be so down on wiggins when they each have glaring flaws.