2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

OleSchool · Post #2621 » by **OleSchool** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:53 pm

Ramen Noodles wrote:Why are there any type of reports of us not picking Wiggins? Hes been our guy all season. He fits, the Dr J talk, Wiggadelphia, Wiggins is perfect if Parker is gone.

Where are you seeing that at?

Agnostifarian · Post #2622 » by **Agnostifarian** » Fri May 30, 2014 4:18 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
freshie2 wrote:I'm glad Smart is in the top 8...honestly shocked that some people see him as a target at 10.

I could be way off base but I seriously doubt that Smart will be available at #10. He's a crappy fit with MCW but I think you have to pick him at #10 unless we go the Exum route at #3.

I would love for the 76ers to get Marcus Smart. He is a junkyard dog. The way Marcus Smart and Nerlens Noel play and compete would rub off on teammates and change the culture of the 76ers.
I doubt that he could fall to the 76ers at #10 because he is such a good fit for the Kings at #8, but stranger things have happened. The Celtics or Lakers could fall in love with Saric and push Aaron Gordon and Smart down a spot.

I'd do laps around my living room if the 76ers came out of this draft with Wiggins and Smart.

The defensive potential of MCW, Smart, Wiggins, Thad, Noel is crazy. They could use a big body rebounder like Jarnell Stokes or maybe we can draft Nurkic with a CHI pick if we do a Boozer Deal. There are good big men prospects in next year's draft too. The Draft can't come soon enough!

76ciology · Post #2623 » by **76ciology** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:10 pm

I was watching the replay of the game 5 between Spurs and Thunders. And I was impressed with the way Diaw played.

BB has talked about the importance of a stretch four. Could Kyle Anderson be a good player that fits his system? Could Kyle Anderson be our "Boris Diaw?" A guy who can knock down three and facilitate on offense like Diaw..

If not, then we wait for Saric.

James40 · Post #2624 » by **James40** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:26 pm

76ciology wrote:I was watching the replay of the game 5 between Spurs and Thunders. And I was impressed with the way Diaw played.

BB has talked about the importance of a stretch four. Could Kyle Anderson be a good player that fits his system? Could Kyle Anderson be our "Boris Diaw?" A guy who can knock down three and facilitate on offense like Diaw..

If not, then we wait for Saric.

He completely changed the game, Ibaka came back from injury and was dominating the Spurs down low in the two previous wins, then Popovich answered with Diaw, who in turn spread the floor and took Ibaka's presence out of the game. Two different players changed the series.

Agnostifarian · Post #2625 » by **Agnostifarian** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:35 pm

James40 wrote:
76ciology wrote:I was watching the replay of the game 5 between Spurs and Thunders. And I was impressed with the way Diaw played.

BB has talked about the importance of a stretch four. Could Kyle Anderson be a good player that fits his system? Could Kyle Anderson be our "Boris Diaw?" A guy who can knock down three and facilitate on offense like Diaw..

If not, then we wait for Saric.

He completely changed the game, Ibaka came back from injury and was dominating the Spurs down low in the two previous wins, then Popovich answered with Diaw, who in turn spread the floor and took Ibaka's presence out of the game. Two different players changed the series.

I pay a lot more attention to the Spurs given the BB connection. He always talks about Pace and Pass. BB was successful on the pace part. I am expecting more Pass going forward. Along those lines, could Stauskas play a role similar to Ginobli's? Is that Stauskas' ceiling?

Kobblehead · Post #2626 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:55 pm

I've always been tentative towards the practice of drafting a guy and then trying to re-mold him into a new player.

SJSF · Post #2627 » by **SJSF** » Fri May 30, 2014 6:03 pm

I think this is why Pop is the best coach.

SJSF · Post #2628 » by **SJSF** » Fri May 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Staukas and Parker would be great

Skates · Post #2629 » by **Skates** » Fri May 30, 2014 6:32 pm

SJSF wrote:Staukas and Parker would be great

Yes, if we wanted opposing wings to score with great efficeincy at a very healthy clip, then it would be awesome. Otherwise, not so much. Would much rather pair Parker up with a long, defensively talented wing player, or a guy like Aaron Gordon who could interchange with PArker between the 3/4 spots to help hide him defensively.

SJSF · Post #2630 » by **SJSF** » Fri May 30, 2014 6:48 pm

Skates wrote:
SJSF wrote:Staukas and Parker would be great

Yes, if we wanted opposing wings to score with great efficeincy at a very healthy clip, then it would be awesome. Otherwise, not so much. Would much rather pair Parker up with a long, defensively talented wing player, or a guy like Aaron Gordon who could interchange with PArker between the 3/4 spots to help hide him defensively.

Let me guess your on the Parker can't defend band wagon. Staukas also doesn't have to be a starter. He can be a 6th man. I am not thinking that the 10th pick will be a starter .

LloydFree · Post #2631 » by **LloydFree** » Fri May 30, 2014 9:34 pm

SJSF wrote:Let me guess your on the Parker can't defend band wagon. Staukas also doesn't have to be a starter. He can be a 6th man. I am not thinking that the 10th pick will be a starter .

Now that is funny. People spend all year talking about an upcoming draft, but don't expect a top 10, 1st round pick to be an NBA starter. By next year, guy's will be praying for the next great spot up shooter off the bench after the #5 pick. The starters will have to get picked in the 2nd round I guess.

ProcessDoctor · Post #2632 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:11 pm

SJSF wrote:
Skates wrote:
SJSF wrote:Staukas and Parker would be great

Yes, if we wanted opposing wings to score with great efficeincy at a very healthy clip, then it would be awesome. Otherwise, not so much. Would much rather pair Parker up with a long, defensively talented wing player, or a guy like Aaron Gordon who could interchange with PArker between the 3/4 spots to help hide him defensively.

Let me guess your on the Parker can't defend band wagon. Staukas also doesn't have to be a starter. He can be a 6th man. I am not thinking that the 10th pick will be a starter .

Whether Stauskas comes off the bench or starts, there will still be a good amount of time when they're both on the court together (30+ mins?), and the defense will absolutely suffer then. Parker's defensive ability is a legit question mark, and until he consistently shows above average lateral quickness, it is not something to downplay. Also, why underestimate the possibility of finding a starter at the 10th pick? Even if he's not a superstar, we can still aim for a solid role player who can start.

FreesFro · Post #2633 » by **FreesFro** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:14 pm

I would hope the #10 pick is an NBA starter rather soon. This is a deep draft. Last year was an awful draft and our #11 pick started from day 1. I'd be disappointed if #10 doesn't start this year. Look at our roster. The #10 pick won't start? Please.

James40 · Post #2634 » by **James40** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:42 am

Agnostifarian wrote:
James40 wrote:
76ciology wrote:I was watching the replay of the game 5 between Spurs and Thunders. And I was impressed with the way Diaw played.

BB has talked about the importance of a stretch four. Could Kyle Anderson be a good player that fits his system? Could Kyle Anderson be our "Boris Diaw?" A guy who can knock down three and facilitate on offense like Diaw..

If not, then we wait for Saric.

He completely changed the game, Ibaka came back from injury and was dominating the Spurs down low in the two previous wins, then Popovich answered with Diaw, who in turn spread the floor and took Ibaka's presence out of the game. Two different players changed the series.

I pay a lot more attention to the Spurs given the BB connection. He always talks about Pace and Pass. BB was successful on the pace part. I am expecting more Pass going forward. Along those lines, could Stauskas play a role similar to Ginobli's? Is that Stauskas' ceiling?

For anyone to compare to Manu they would probably have to play for Pop, or hopefully BB. Manu came into the NBA at 25 and that gave him a huge maturity advantage. His basketball IQ is off the charts, he knows where to be and why to be there. Its like Pop only gets smart players, other teams are more talented, bigger, and faster but the Spurs get it done year after year with smart basketball.

Negrodamus · Post #2635 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:02 am

I don't know if he's been talked about, but Dwight Powell looks pretty damn good. I know he's a senior and had some struggles this past year, but I'd definitely take a flier on him in the second round. He had a faster Three Quarter Sprint and Shuttle Run than most guards at the combine. If you watch some of his games, he's very impressive in fast break situations. 6'11 in shoes and only a 7'0.5 wingspan. Has a nice looking shot and a pretty decent face up game.

ZarcMumoff · Post #2636 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:11 am

Negrodamus wrote:I don't know if he's been talked about, but Dwight Powell looks pretty damn good. I know he's a senior and had some struggles this past year, but I'd definitely take a flier on him in the second round. He had a faster Three Quarter Sprint and Shuttle Run than most guards at the combine. If you watch some of his games, he's very impressive in fast break situations. 6'11 in shoes and only a 7'0.5 wingspan. Has a nice looking shot and a pretty decent face up game.

I mentioned him before. I loved watching him play in college, but I worry how well he'll translate to the league. I wish he was a better rebounder, I'd be less concerned.

PhilasFinest · Post #2637 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:24 am

Negrodamus wrote:I don't know if he's been talked about, but Dwight Powell looks pretty damn good. I know he's a senior and had some struggles this past year, but I'd definitely take a flier on him in the second round. He had a faster Three Quarter Sprint and Shuttle Run than most guards at the combine. If you watch some of his games, he's very impressive in fast break situations. 6'11 in shoes and only a 7'0.5 wingspan. Has a nice looking shot and a pretty decent face up game.

He kinda reminds me of Mason Plumlee.

Probably a lesser athlete/motor but more skilled shooting the ball.

M3 · Post #2638 » by M3 » Sat May 31, 2014 11:24 am

You should be looking to get a starter or long term rotation player at #10

Recent History of #10
2000 Keyon Dooling
2001 Joe Johnson
2002 Caron Butler
2003 Jarvjs Hayes
2004 Luke Jackson
2005 Andrew Bynum
2006 Mouhamed Sene
2007 Spencer Hawes
2008 Brook Lopez
2009 Brandon Jennings
2010 Paul George
2011 Jimmer
2012 Austin Rivers
2013 CJ McCollum

Negrodamus · Post #2639 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat May 31, 2014 12:39 pm

PK5 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I don't know if he's been talked about, but Dwight Powell looks pretty damn good. I know he's a senior and had some struggles this past year, but I'd definitely take a flier on him in the second round. He had a faster Three Quarter Sprint and Shuttle Run than most guards at the combine. If you watch some of his games, he's very impressive in fast break situations. 6'11 in shoes and only a 7'0.5 wingspan. Has a nice looking shot and a pretty decent face up game.

I mentioned him before. I loved watching him play in college, but I worry how well he'll translate to the league. I wish he was a better rebounder, I'd be less concerned.

You're right, his rebounding was pretty poor for his size. I think he projects as a stretch 4 PF. 3.1 apg is nice from a fringe 7 footer. Showed off a very nice jumper in the combine. Still needs to get stronger.

I like him based on what he could be at the low price of a 2nd rounder.

Negrodamus · Post #2640 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:29 pm

We have a very small sample size of a Hinkie draft (last year) but I noticed something that might project how we draft going forward. This could have be pointed out on here before and I didn't read it. If so, I apologize.

Michael Carter Williams was 6th in the nation in steals per game last year with 2.74. Combine that with his 6'6 height advantage at PG, incredible max vert, and you have an alluring PG.

Nerlens Noel was 35th in the nation in steals per game last year with 2.08. Very impressive given his position and height. Shows great instinct and mobility at the center position.

Arsalan Kazemi was 37th in the nation in steals per game last year with 2.06. 2nd rounder with mediocre height for his position, but was a double double machine and had a great steal per game rate for his position.

The top three in this draft (Parker, Wiggins, Embiid) didn't display great stats as it relates to steals. Not saying that it takes them out of the running for the 3rd pick, but they would be the first Hinkie players to be drafted with a sub 2.0 spg average in their most recent basketball season.

I don't know Exum's stats last year. I do know he was just shy of 2.0 spg in the U19 games. That said, I feel like he might be the closest thing to what Hinkie is looking for: a blend of size, talent, speed and ability to take away the ball and start the transition offense.

So, at this moment, I'm predicting Exum to the Sixers when the third pick comes around.

The 10th pick is obviously harder to predict. Let's assume that anyone from 5-10 can drop to 10. Smart would be a prototypical choice for the Sixers if we didn't have MCW and didn't just draft Exum. He was third in the nation in steals per game with 2.77. He also had around 3 steals per game last year.

Randle is out (.5). Vonleh is out (.9). McDermott is out (.2). Saric is out (1.3). In fact, I can't really see anyone that fits this mold until someone like TJ Warren (1.73) or Kyle Anderson (1.76).

This past year had a lower steal rate overall (probably because of all the touch foul calls) and the bigs suffered. I could see us possibly trading out of 10 and moving down for more picks (or future first rounders) if a team is interested.

I could also be overreacting over three picks last year.